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Providence Post Game Thread

HW611 said:
I’ve been saying for awhile the next level for Karaban was developing a post game that would allow him to use his arm length and smarts to score and make plays for others rather than his athleticism.
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Long arms like Kevin McHale? That would be sweet. I bet he grew up a McHale fan being from MA. Oh, wait, he is too young to remember McHale.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
You seem to be under the impression that the only reason Ross didn’t get more time was one turnover. That is not the only reason.
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It doesn't seem very hard to understand. Minutes are a zero sum game, and there's only so many minutes for the bench guys when our starters are our best players. So yes, when Malachi is having a great game and getting minutes next to Silas that leaves less for Ross and Stewart. Considering how Malachi was playing I think that's the right call
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Karaban is excruciatingly frustrating at times, but Stew and Ross literally can’t score and have no idea what to do half the time. Add to the fact they sucked on defense tonight, they didn’t deserve any good graces.
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Stewie definitely struggled defensively. Ross at least showed a lot of energy and had that nice tie up (even though it saved PC from a shot clock violation).
 
I really like Silas but everyone talks about what a great defender he is and I just don't see it. Sellers was blowing by him regularly. Silas is very strong and he does a good job reaching in and striping the ball. But he is not that quick to stay in front of guys. Maybe I am blind but I just don't see the greatness on that end. That being said, love his overall game and you can't overstate his importance to this team.
 
HW611 said:
Don’t put words in my mouth. It’s not right to completely bench someone over one mistake when you then let a guy play without consequence.

Just let guys play and hold them to the same standard. Whether it’s being super critical of every mistake, or allowing guys to play freely through mistakes.

But treat everyone that way.
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Brother, you just talked about Karaban making big plays and said if Ross has the same opportunities he’d do the same thing. You think everyone is equal at the D1 level? Whether it’s coaching or shooting, they aren’t the same. Karaban has earned more rope. That’s the reality.

If ross got all the same opportunities for the big plays Karaban has over 4 years, you know what’s most likely? Ross wouldn’t make them and we’d lose. Not just Ross, but lots of guys. You seem to think the only difference is the opportunities to make the play.

It’s wild to have these takes.

navery12 said:
I think it says they're not doing what they're out on the floor to do. What Jayden and Jaylin are being asked to do is different than what Alex is being asked to do. And tonight they weren't bringing any of the intangibles apart from the scoring they've never had.

So yes, when Jaylin or Jayden are the 5th option and committing dumb fouls or turnovers they're going to have a shorter leash than Alex who has a lot more responsibility and is a key piece of our offense coming off screens and to make smart passes out of the high post.
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This dude that knows more ball than anyone on earth thinks every player has the same skill and same role and it’s the D1 coach job to make sure they all get equal shots and opportunities.
 
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Donyell 360 said:
I missed the last 4 minutes after the game switched to TNT, so my observations may be incomplete. But let me start by saying, good game Malachi! I have been one of his biggest critics all year but he played pretty well. He is still struggling to finish in the paint. He struggles so much that he kicks the ball out for 3 on the break even when he has an open lane to the basket. That missed layup was brutal. But when you are 4-4 from 3pt range, I can live with that. (why didn't Smith get charged with a miss on that late clock attempt that was blocked?)

SD played another solid game. He has been our most consistent player. Both SD and MS did a good job getting to the paint and finding the bigs time and again.

ER had a great game and so did TR except for missed freethrows and fouls.

JS and JR were both ok but no offense to speak of. Hurley said in post game they need to be more aggressive.

AK and SB missed 23 shots! Yikes. Not a great game from AK or SB, but each contributed to the win. They were obviously not efficient, but our shots have to come from somewhere and JS and JR don't seem to want to assert themselves. I hear people say SD should shoot more but I hate to mess with his game. Whatever he is doing is working. I think we just have to live with AK and SB sometimes shooting a low percentage. Some teams have volume scorers and when you don't have a lot of offensive options, you take what you can get.

We gave up too many offensive rebounds to their center. We ended up outrebounding them but I think we were being outrebounded most of the game until the end perhaps?

I still can't understand why this Providence team doesn't have more wins. Some of you guys blame Kim English but Hurley doesn't. One thing I know, I don't want to face PC a third or fourth time this year.
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A fourth time?
 
Donyell 360 said:
I really like Silas but everyone talks about what a great defender he is and I just don't see it. Sellers was blowing by him regularly. Silas is very strong and he does a good job reaching in and striping the ball. But he is not that quick to stay in front of guys. Maybe I am blind but I just don't see the greatness on that end. That being said, love his overall game and you can't overstate his importance to this team.
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Silas is an awesome defender.
 
navery12 said:
Offense needs to get better, but it's worth noting that 40th ranked offense has the same exact offensive rating as the 2023 championship team which was the 3rd ranked offense. Both teams had/have a 120.8 rating
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Interesting. I read an article the other day that was pointing out how good offenses are this season. So that relates to your point. But since we’d be competing against better offenses than the 2022-2023 team isn’t the ranking more appropriate than just the offensive efficiency number?
 
I have to credit Hurley for sticking with Smith. I gave up on him a while ago but Hurley didn't. We don't need Smith to go 4-4 from 3 but we do need him to play with confidence. Now if he could just get confident finishing at the rim and from the stripe. I didn't see the last 4 minutes. Smith was 0-1 from the line. Did he miss a front end late?
 
HW611 said:
Calhoun didn’t even give this level of rope to Charlie Villanueva. There’s no such thing as earning unlimited mistakes. Not holding someone accountable does not make them better..
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Fwiw. Charlie got 25 minutes a game his sophomore year.

Karaban hasn’t averaged under 30 since his sophomore year and averaged 28 as a freshman lol.

Karaban is not this super indispensable player man.
 
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Mr. French said:
Brother, you just talked about Karaban making big plays and said if Ross has the same opportunities he’d do the same thing. You think everyone is equal at the D1 level? Whether it’s coaching or shooting, they aren’t the same. Karaban has earned more rope. That’s the reality.

If ross got all the same opportunities for the big plays Karaban has over 4 years, you know what’s most likely? Ross wouldn’t make them and we’d lose. Not just Ross, but lots of guys. You seem to think the only difference is the opportunities to make the play.

It’s wild to have these takes.



This dude that knows more ball than anyone on earth thinks every player has the same skill and same role and it’s the D1 coach job to make sure they all get equal shots and opportunities.
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I believe I was talking about Stew as far as opportunities go. And no, I don’t think everyone is equal at a D1 level.

But I don’t think the guy that Hurley has tried his best to give every opportunity to and put in every position to succeed yet still has these kind of struggles as a senior is this high bar to clear.

Opportunities a more talented player like Stew would kill to have to be able to freely showcase his talent.
 
aboogieee said:
Alex had sets in ’24, but his cutting was on another level.
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Not many know how to have this nuanced of a basketball conversation man.

I think Stew has shown the ability to be a good cutter as well. I’m not sure if it’s Alex’s level, but I remember a few of his off script cuts from this year.
 
HW611 said:
I believe I was talking about Stew as far as opportunities go. And no, I don’t think everyone is equal at a D1 level.

But I don’t think the guy that Hurley has tried his best to give every opportunity to and put in every position to succeed yet still has these kind of struggles as a senior is this high bar to clear.

Opportunities a more talented player like Stew would kill to have to be able to freely showcase his talent.
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You think Stewie is more talented than Karaban? Lmao
 
FearThePups said:
Because Solo hurt it again tonight
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But he was missing shots before he aggravated it. I'm sure the wrist has been an issue, even when he shot it better against Nova. Hurley said he needs to stop falling to the ground because that's how he reinjures it. But his leaping is part of what makes him effective at the rim. Not sure he is big enough to play off 2 feet in the paint.
 
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KingAG said:
You think Stewie is more talented than Karaban? Lmao
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I do not want this conversation to become to critical of Alex so I’m stopping here.

Yes, he is more talented. This treatment he’s been getting has also done nothing to actually make him a better player. This is a two folded issue for everyone involved and I’d like for the focus to stay there.

Nobody gets better by babying them.
 
HooperScooper said:
Probably? I guess but that ain’t happening for PC.
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I hadn't done the math, just giving them the benefit of the doubt. If they win out and win 2 games in the BE tournament but lose in the final, They finish 12-8 in BE regular season and 21-12 overall. Might not be enough but at least makes them a bubble team. But agree with you, it is not happening anyway.
 
Husky Alien said:
We don't win with out them, that's why he's lenient with them.
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yeah Hurley must be crazy to play the guys that come through time and time again and win games. What he is thinking?, why would he trust these guys that always do the right thing and find a way to win? Why would he trust a guy who has been a starter for 4 straight years, won 2 national titles, 13 ncaa games, and is current the captain on a 20-1 team currently ranked #2 in country.
 
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I could see it now. Next good game he has some idiot is going to come out and say “oh but Ross should be playing over him”. Something that was never said.
 
HooperScooper said:
Interesting. I read an article the other day that was pointing out how good offenses are this season. So that relates to your point. But since we’d be competing against better offenses than the 2022-2023 team isn’t the ranking more appropriate than just the offensive efficiency number?
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Yes and no. The actual offensive efficiency is ultimately the piece that really matters because that's what measures how you're playing and your ability to score. There are a few truly elite offenses that are in a league of their own at the top, but the reality is once you get past the first 10 or so teams the gap is very minimal. The gap from 1-10 is the same as 10-45, so there's a big grouping in the middle where there's a huge variance in ranking but very minimal tangible difference in scoring efficiency
 
superjohn said:
They still think Providence is going to the tournament.
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The way they score, anything can happen.
Remember Georgetown a few years ago?
I don't think Dan Hurley wants to see them in MSG, especially if we're not fully healthy.
 
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