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Providence Post Game Thread

navery12 said:
Reading through this thread I'm sure of one thing, this board is full of miserable spoiled fans
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I think you’ll find similar fans at Kansas, Kentucky, UNC and Duke.
 
WeAreUCONN said:
A win is a win.

Player grades:

Solo - C, too many forced shots and turnovers.

Silas - B, good all around game.

Smith - A, best game in a while.

Karaban - B-, average game.

Reed - B+, very good game.

Reibe - B, solid game.

Stewart - C

Ross - C+

Overall too many missed free throws, turnovers, and forced shots ,but the defense was good enough to get the win.
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If that's Reibe's B game then I can't wait for an A game!
 
KingAG said:
Starter on 2 championship teams, and is having a BE POTY level season this season. He’s earned it.

Especially when the alternative it Jaylen Stewart.
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Arguing PT for Ross over AK is a weird argument.

TNT crew talking about UConn as a title contender - take is F4 potential but not title.
 
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Some of you all who don’t understand basketball love to equate minutes with opportunity.

Who cares about getting minutes when plays don’t get called for you and if you have any sort of aggression and make a mistake, you get pulled. While seeing your teammates do the same exact thing and not get told anything about it.

But “hey, he was the 5th option on 2 championship teams.”
KingAG said:
Starter on 2 championship teams, and is having a BE POTY level season this season. He’s earned it.

Especially when the alternative it Jaylen Stewart.
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Calhoun didn’t even give this level of rope to Charlie Villanueva. There’s no such thing as earning unlimited mistakes. Not holding someone accountable does not make them better.

But that’s why Calhoun actually churned out elite All American players and we’re watching Karaban be the same player as a Senior he was as a sophomore. Holding good players accountable helps them. Babying them doesn’t do anything for them.
 
I missed the last 4 minutes after the game switched to TNT, so my observations may be incomplete. But let me start by saying, good game Malachi! I have been one of his biggest critics all year but he played pretty well. He is still struggling to finish in the paint. He struggles so much that he kicks the ball out for 3 on the break even when he has an open lane to the basket. That missed layup was brutal. But when you are 4-4 from 3pt range, I can live with that. (why didn't Smith get charged with a miss on that late clock attempt that was blocked?)

SD played another solid game. He has been our most consistent player. Both SD and MS did a good job getting to the paint and finding the bigs time and again.

ER had a great game and so did TR except for missed freethrows and fouls.

JS and JR were both ok but no offense to speak of. Hurley said in post game they need to be more aggressive.

AK and SB missed 23 shots! Yikes. Not a great game from AK or SB, but each contributed to the win. They were obviously not efficient, but our shots have to come from somewhere and JS and JR don't seem to want to assert themselves. I hear people say SD should shoot more but I hate to mess with his game. Whatever he is doing is working. I think we just have to live with AK and SB sometimes shooting a low percentage. Some teams have volume scorers and when you don't have a lot of offensive options, you take what you can get.

We gave up too many offensive rebounds to their center. We ended up outrebounding them but I think we were being outrebounded most of the game until the end perhaps?

I still can't understand why this Providence team doesn't have more wins. Some of you guys blame Kim English but Hurley doesn't. One thing I know, I don't want to face PC a third or fourth time this year.
 
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HW611 said:
Some of you all who don’t understand basketball love to equate minutes with opportunity.

Who cares about getting minutes when plays don’t get called for you and if you have any sort of aggression and make a mistake, you get pulled. While seeing your teammates do the same exact thing and not get told anything about it.

But “hey, he was the 5th option on 2 championship teams.”

Calhoun didn’t even give this level of rope to Charlie Villanueva. There’s no such thing as earning unlimited mistakes. Not holding someone accountable does not make them better.

But that’s why Calhoun actually churned out elite All American players and we’re watching Karaban be the same player as a Senior he was as a sophomore. Holding good players accountable helps them. Babying them doesn’t do anything for them.
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You think Hurley is telling them to not be aggressive? Good God.

They don’t posses an elite offensive skill. In 3 years neither has developed a consistent 3 point shot. That’s on them. Make yourself playable. 2 freshman back to back(McNeeley and Braylon) came in more ready to contribute than them. There class mate is playing with Wemby while the other one is a 2 year starter.

They shouldn’t be worried about Alex.
 
HW611 said:
Maybe Karaban would be an even better player if he was held accountable for doing stupid stuff like everyone else.
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Karaban is excruciatingly frustrating at times, but Stew and Ross literally can’t score and have no idea what to do half the time. Add to the fact they sucked on defense tonight, they didn’t deserve any good graces.
 
KingAG said:
You think Hurley is telling them to not be aggressive? Good God.
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What message do you think it sends a player when they make a mistake being aggressive and they get pulled for it immediately?

I don’t care what Hurley says if he does. His actions say differently.
 
HW611 said:
Some of you all who don’t understand basketball love to equate minutes with opportunity.

Who cares about getting minutes when plays don’t get called for you and if you have any sort of aggression and make a mistake, you get pulled. While seeing your teammates do the same exact thing and not get told anything about it.

But “hey, he was the 5th option on 2 championship teams.”

Calhoun didn’t even give this level of rope to Charlie Villanueva. There’s no such thing as earning unlimited mistakes. Not holding someone accountable does not make them better.

But that’s why Calhoun actually churned out elite All American players and we’re watching Karaban be the same player as a Senior he was as a sophomore. Holding good players accountable helps them. Babying them doesn’t do anything for them.
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Alex is the floor captain.
 
HW611 said:
Some of you all who don’t understand basketball love to equate minutes with opportunity.

Who cares about getting minutes when plays don’t get called for you and if you have any sort of aggression and make a mistake, you get pulled. While seeing your teammates do the same exact thing and not get told anything about it.

But “hey, he was the 5th option on 2 championship teams.”

Calhoun didn’t even give this level of rope to Charlie Villanueva. There’s no such thing as earning unlimited mistakes. Not holding someone accountable does not make them better.

But that’s why Calhoun actually churned out elite All American players and we’re watching Karaban be the same player as a Senior he was as a sophomore. Holding good players accountable helps them. Babying them doesn’t do anything for them.
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Enough with this “Some of y’all who don’t understand basketball” BS. I don’t know what level you played to but I guarantee it’s equal or just above me, and I have coached before. I am not lecturing people on their knowledge. We all understand the game, we watch a College team religiously for God’s sake. Get off your high horse.
 
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KingAG said:
You think Hurley is telling them to not be aggressive? Good God.

They don’t posses an elite offensive skill. I’m 3 years neither had developed a consistent 3 point shot. That’s on them. Make yourself playable. 2 freshman back to back(McNeeley and Braylon) came in more ready to contribute than them.
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Yeah but you're talking to someone who played high school basketball in Connecticut. Have a little respect for his expertise on the subject.
 
HW611 said:
What message do you think it sends a player when they make a mistake being aggressive and they get pulled for it immediately?

I don’t care what Hurley says if he does. His actions say differently.
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Ross had an easy open lane jumper today that he didn’t pull, then dribbled up when he didn’t need to, looked indecisive and proceeded to miss a 5 footer. The entire time he looked unsure and awkward. He’s a role player and a specialist.
 
HW611 said:
What message do you think it sends a player when they make a mistake being aggressive and they get pulled for it immediately?

I don’t care what Hurley says if he does. His actions say differently.
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I think it says they're not doing what they're out on the floor to do. What Jayden and Jaylin are being asked to do is different than what Alex is being asked to do. And tonight they weren't bringing any of the intangibles apart from the scoring they've never had.

So yes, when Jaylin or Jayden are the 5th option and committing dumb fouls or turnovers they're going to have a shorter leash than Alex who has a lot more responsibility and is a key piece of our offense coming off screens and to make smart passes out of the high post.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Karaban is excruciatingly frustrating at times, but Stew and Ross literally can’t score and have no idea what to do half the time. Add to the fact they sucked on defense tonight, they didn’t deserve any good graces.
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It really was tough to watch and it forced Hurley to play Solo who was in excruciating pain and had to gut it out.
 
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navery12 said:
I think it says they're not doing what they're out on the floor to do. What Jayden and Jaylin are being asked to do is different than what Alex is being asked to do.

So yes, when Jaylin or Jayden are the 5th option and committing dumb fouls or turnovers they're going to have a shorter leash than Alex who has a lot more responsibility and is a key piece of our offense coming off screens and to make smart passes out of the high post.
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And when Alex was asked to play their role in 23 and 24 he thrived in it. Hence earning more responsibility
 
RuffRuff said:
Ross had an easy open lane jumper today that he didn’t pull, then dribbled up when he didn’t need to, looked indecisive and proceeded to miss a 5 footer. The entire time he looked unsure and awkward. He’s a role player and a specialist.
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Karaban did the same exact thing. And he missed a layup afterwards. Few plays later had his shot blocked.

Ross had one TO today. Karaban had the same type of turnover. I promise you whatever play you complain about with Ross Karaban has done three times over.

Nobody is saying Ross needs 35 minutes and Karaban needs 12. Just let these guys play freely and hold everyone to the same standard. It’ll help EVERYONE including Karaban be better.

Stop having your heads in the ground about this just because you all want to write off Ross and Stew so bad.
 
Inyatkin said:
One way or another, this can’t continue. Either we start playing better or we’re losing some games. But we’re not going to win ugly forever
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you have to be really good to go 20-1 and 10-0 in Big East. What was the last UConn team to start 10-0 in Big East?
Yeah we are hoping for a title this year, and its fair to say they are not as good as the top 5 teams, but they are 20-1. The Big East is down this year, but it is still hard to beat these teams and consistently win.

Their strength is they have clutch players. Their weakness is they don’t have someone who gets blazing hot and can score 40
 
When Mullins returns, AK and SB won't have to shoot as much as Mullins will take up some of the volume naturally. They shot more tonight because they had to. I would love to get the ball to Reed more, but it seems we struggle to do that consistently.

I thought PC's defense on AK in the high post was strong. AK had trouble facilitating from the elbow because of the ball pressure. Credit PC. It was a good game plan. As Hurley said postgame, BE teams know us well and how to defend us. The implication is that things might be easier in the NCAA tournament.

I know everyone says the BE is down this year, but what if that is more perception than reality? Maybe not, but it wouldn't shock me if BE teams surprise some people this year. That's assuming we get a few teams in the tourney. PC looks like they aren't dancing without a BE tourney championship. But everyone looks good against us. Sure that may be our fault, but maybe not. Maybe these teams are better than people give them credit for.

Vaaks, Meila, Jones, Sellers are good players.
 
HW611 said:
Karaban did the same exact thing. And he missed a layup afterwards. Few plays later had his shot blocked.

Ross had one TO today. Karaban had the same type of turnover. I promise you whatever play you complain about with Ross Karaban has done three times over.

Nobody is saying Ross needs 35 minutes and Karaban needs 12. Just let these guys play freely and hold everyone to the same standard. It’ll help EVERYONE including Karaban be better.

Stop having your heads in the ground about this just because you all want to write off Ross and Stew so bad.
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You seem to be under the impression that the only reason Ross didn’t get more time was one turnover. That is not the only reason.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Enough with this “Some of y’all who don’t understand basketball” BS. I don’t know what level you played to but I guarantee it’s equal or just above me, and I have coached before. I am not lecturing people on their knowledge. We all understand the game, we watch a College team religiously for God’s sake. Get off your high horse.
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He played high school basketball in Connecticut, have a little respect.
 
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