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Providence Post Game Thread

Inyatkin said:
He’s still talking about Marcus White. He knows nothing of Marcus White. How is this real
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I'd rather talk about Barry White. God he had soul. Thank god Soul Train let him sing and gave him a long leash, or else his barritone may have never developed.
 
boog204 said:
Huh? You missed it. Again. Because you didn’t see it. Marcus White was a top 80ish recruit who decommited from DePaul and was a late add. He was talented. But JC wouldn’t play him. Hilton, a project freshman, started. He had no leash whatsoever and was part of a rotation of mediocre guys at the 4 and 5. Eventually, JC got sick and Blaney decided to let Marcus White play. And he was good. Hilton was regulated back to very spot time.

On your accountable stars thing, explain Freeman in 2000? That was horrific. Maybe part of the problem is that Stew has been so ineffective that Hurley, you know the guy with two nattys, knows that AK has to play extended minutes.

Stew is your backup 3/4 and Ross your backup 2/3. Neither is as good as the guy ahead of them. Stew has gotten 20+ starts and extended minutes where he has continued to be who he is. Ross got a couple starts last year and bench minutes and he has been mediocre.

Karaban is given the extra leash bc he is a four year starter, is indispensable to the culture and offense, and despite his various warts, has hit 9000 big shots, been clutch, is the connector, is one of the main cogs of the offense, is the captain of the team, the leader and a ton of other things. He’s got a leash. Is he as good or dominant as Okafor? Of course not. Nobody here said he is. But he is as important to this team as Emeka was to his. Simply put, we are a better team with AK out there. He’s earned the leash and gives us a better chance of winning. Until Stew or Ross gives more than moments, they will not be given the same leash. Nor should they. Let’s be honest, year three, they have underachieved and underwhelmed.
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Yep, Calhoun didn't tolerate bad habits/bad play from his stars. He didn't give them any of that long leash Hurley gives Karaban and he coached the bad stuff right out of them like he did with Jerome Dyson (our best player according to Huskywarrior in 2009-2010.) That's why Dyson averaged 4 turnovers per game that season, shot under 40% from the field, under 30% from three and had a combined 8 points, 4 assists, and 11 turnovers in his last two Big East games as a Husky.


Remember Darnell Beverly? Remember when Marcus White couldn't beat out Rashad Anderson and Denham Brown?

I've never seen someone out themselves like this. Dude never even watched the Calhoun teams play.
 
boog204 said:
Huh? You missed it. Again. Because you didn’t see it. Marcus White was a top 80ish recruit who decommited from DePaul and was a late add. He was talented. But JC wouldn’t play him. Hilton, a project freshman, started. He had no leash whatsoever and was part of a rotation of mediocre guys at the 4 and 5. Eventually, JC got sick and Blaney decided to let Marcus White play. And he was good. Hilton was regulated back to very spot time.

On your accountable stars thing, explain Freeman in 2000? That was horrific. Maybe part of the problem is that Stew has been so ineffective that Hurley, you know the guy with two nattys, knows that AK has to play extended minutes.

Stew is your backup 3/4 and Ross your backup 2/3. Neither is as good as the guy ahead of them. Stew has gotten 20+ starts and extended minutes where he has continued to be who he is. Ross got a couple starts last year and bench minutes and he has been mediocre.

Karaban is given the extra leash bc he is a four year starter, is indispensable to the culture and offense, and despite his various warts, has hit 9000 big shots, been clutch, is the connector, is one of the main cogs of the offense, is the captain of the team, the leader and a ton of other things. He’s got a leash. Is he as good or dominant as Okafor? Of course not. Nobody here said he is. But he is as important to this team as Emeka was to his. Simply put, we are a better team with AK out there. He’s earned the leash and gives us a better chance of winning. Until Stew or Ross gives more than moments, they will not be given the same leash. Nor should they. Let’s be honest, year three, they have underachieved and underwhelmed.
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Not going to lie. Marcus White and Marcus Johnson always seemed like the same player to me. Don’t remember anything about either career outside of them just getting buried on the bench by other great players.

You are also talking about two freshman seasons now where one guy got 17 minutes a game comparing it to two juniors who are averaging about the same.

Somehow someway Karaban still averages more minutes this year than Okafor and Ben did on that very young squad.
 
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Deepster said:
So you don’t post nearly as much about the X and Os or game execution as you did way back when (before kids and when you had no life - The Paul Millsap days). I’ll poke to see what you think is wrong here.
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Last year, it was blindingly easy to see - bad roster construction, point guard by committee didn't pan out, etc.

Honestly, this year, I think it's more like the January malaise that we had during Dan Hurley's first title. It's not the easiest system to learn and all of the moving parts have not learned their parts yet.

There's a little bit of some players being too similar rather than being complimentary and Tarris is not what Sanogo and Clingan were. (Reibe will be.) The ball tends to stick to some players in a way that it doesn't when our offense is going well and it sticks to the wrong player way too often.

I don't think we're as good as Arizona or Michigan or maybe even Duke - we were earlier in the season, but haven't moved up with 'em. I'm not worried about it - I fully expect that we're gonna get absolutely smoked in the next ten days or so and that'll be the poke to get them back on track.
 
Deepster said:
So you don’t post nearly as much about the X and Os or game execution as you did way back when (before kids and when you had no life - The Paul Millsap days). I’ll poke to see what you think is wrong here.
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If he tells us we don’t have a point guard then we’ll know this is going to turn out very well for us.

Sorry Fishy, had to do it. A post that will live in infamy.
 
HW611 said:
Not going to lie. Marcus White and Marcus Johnson always seemed like the same player to me. Don’t remember anything about either career outside of them just getting buried on the bench by other great players.

You are also talking about two freshman seasons now where one guy got 17 minutes a game comparing it to two juniors who are averaging about the same.

Somehow someway Karaban still averages more minutes this year than Okafor and Ben did on that very young squad.
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Marcus White is infamous for the wedgie against Texas. No offense, but I think almost every UConn fan has that play burned in their brains.

To circle back 900 miles, you asserted that JC let his players play through mistakes. 900 of us said you were wrong. I offered countless examples. Somehow we’re still talking about this.

Ross and Stew have no leash because they have not been very good. AK, Solo, and Mullins are vastly better players. When given minutes, neither Stew or Ross have been consistent enough to earn more.

AK wouldn’t have to play 35 minutes if Stew would show up consistently.

Emeka and Ben played 33mpg. Emeka had two seniors behind him who ate 7 minutes and committed 10 fouls. That was their purpose. Ben had a senior in TRob and a freshman Rash behind him. They were both good players. Ross and Stew are miles away from being either of those guys. AK plays one more minute a game more because we have no bench.

This is not very hard to understand.
 
Fishy said:
Last year, it was blindingly easy to see - bad roster construction, point guard by committee didn't pan out, etc.

Honestly, this year, I think it's more like the January malaise that we had during Dan Hurley's first title. It's not the easiest system to learn and all of the moving parts have not learned their parts yet.

There's a little bit of some players being too similar rather than being complimentary and Tarris is not what Sanogo and Clingan were. (Reibe will be.) The ball tends to stick to some players in a way that it doesn't when our offense is going well and it sticks to the wrong player way too often.

I don't think we're as good as Arizona or Michigan or maybe even Duke - we were earlier in the season, but haven't moved up with 'em. I'm not worried about it - I fully expect that we're gonna get absolutely smoked in the next ten days or so and that'll be the poke to get them back on track.
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I think the Yard also has a January malaise. And I think the key to our offensive success is Silas taking over the team as the alpha. When he realizes he drives the Ferrari we’ll get there.
 
boog204 said:
Marcus White is infamous for the wedgie against Texas. No offense, but I think almost every UConn fan has that play burned in their brains.
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You mean the NCAA tournament game he played in 22 mins as a freshman?

Most minutes outside of Taliek, Emeka, and Ben lol.

But this is your example of short leash guy Calhoun wouldn’t play?
 
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HW611 said:
You mean the NCAA tournament game he played in 22 mins as a freshman?

Most minutes outside of Taliek, Emeka, and Ben lol.

But this is your example of short leash guy Calhoun wouldn’t play?
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As you’ve already been told - Calhoun didn’t play him at all. When he got sick, George Blaney played him. Played so well that Calhoun was forced to play him too.

He’s a big reason we beat Carmelo’s Cuse team in the BET. He took that matchup.
 
HW611 said:
You mean the NCAA tournament game he played in 22 mins as a freshman?

Most minutes outside of Taliek, Emeka, and Ben lol.

But this is your example of short leash guy Calhoun wouldn’t play?
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Oh. My. God. Calhoun didn't play him until Blaney came in. You claimed that JC trusted his players and gave them a leash. He didn't trust White until Blaney came in. That was the freaking point 7 pages ago when you thought Marcus White was a backup SF. If you understood your own argument, you should be praising George Blaney for letting the freshmen play through his mistakes and become a really solid player.

Why is this so difficult? You just googled that game, and that is your rationale. You have no understanding of that "nuance." I just can't.
 
boog204 said:
Oh. My. God. Calhoun didn't play him until Blaney came in. You claimed that JC trusted his players and gave them a leash. He didn't trust White until Blaney came in. That was the freaking point 7 pages ago when you thought Marcus White was a backup SF. If you understood your own argument, you should be praising George Blaney for letting the freshmen play through his mistakes and become a really solid player.

Why is this so difficult? You just googled that game, and that is your rationale. You have no understanding of that "nuance." I just can't.
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No need to google stats. You can watch the game on YouTube.

And like you said it kind of adds to the point you have to let guys play sometimes and even a fringe top 80 player like Marcus White can contribute as a freshman. Let alone two top 60 recruits as juniors.

Also crazy how Emeka got pulled within a minute on a team that pretty much had no bigs outside of him.
 
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HW611 said:
No need to google stats. You can watch the game on YouTube.

And like you said it kind of adds to the point you have to let guys play sometimes and even a fringe top 80 player like Marcus White can contribute as a freshman. Let alone two top 60 recruits as juniors.

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Ah, memory lane. A 10 page argument with video on why Ross should get more minutes, unconditionally. You can't make this up. I wonder if Duke fans are spending 10 pages of posts talking about how Caleb Foster needs more run to support his NBA aspirations.It's clearly Scheyer's responsbility to get him there ready. Kid was a McD AA.

Stew has been getting minutes for 3 years, has started a ton. He's had loads of opportunities. Ross has flashes but also feels Ringling Bros half the time. Hurley sees these kids in practice every single day - he knows what they're all about.
 
HW611 said:
No need to google stats. You can watch the game on YouTube.

And like you said it kind of adds to the point you have to let guys play sometimes and even a fringe top 80 player like Marcus White can contribute as a freshman. Let alone two top 60 recruits as juniors.

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Yes... And those guys have to produce. White did when given the chance. He didn't need 20+ starts and 3 years to show he could be a starting PF for a team that a huge hole at the position and that could've gone to the FF and, a year later, won a natty. There was no one ahead of him, and he did a good job. I saw it live. No offense, I don't think you did so, imo your continuing to argue or question this is ridicuous. If someone on this board talks about Norman Bailey or Dom Perno, I'm quiet. I've got nothing to add.

Stew and Ross have had many opportunities to show that they could be players here. They have not done so. So, until they prove that they can in the minutes they are given, AK is going to take on more minutes because he provides so much more than what Stew and Ross have produced. It has nothing to do if plays are being run for them or not. Produce and do your job. Take the open shots. Play good D. Value the ball. Neither Stew nor Ross has done this with any consistency whatsoever. It's not difficult. And especially for juniors, the time to let them play through their mistakes is long over. They shouldn't be making those same mistakes over and over again in relatively limited minutes. And before you say "AK does it, too!" AK had 8 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks, and one turnover in 38 minutes yesterday. He shot it poorly. He overpenetrated. And he also did a ton of great things to get us yet another win as he usually does.
 
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Deepster said:
I think the Yard also has a January malaise. And I think the key to our offensive success is Silas taking over the team as the alpha. When he realizes he drives the Ferrari we’ll get there.
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I think when he and Mullins decide they’re our best players and the others come to the same conclusion, we’ll be fine.
 
boog204 said:
Yes... And those guys have to produce. White did when given the chance. He didn't need 20+ starts and 3 years to show he could be a starting PF for a team that a huge hole at the position and that could've gone to the FF and, a year later, won a natty. There was no one ahead of him, and he did a good job. I saw it live. No offense, I don't think you did so, imo your continuing to argue or question this is ridicuous. If someone on this board talks about Norman Bailey or Dom Perno, I'm quiet. I've got nothing to add.

Stew and Ross have had many opportunities to show that they could be players here. They have not done so. So, until they prove that they can in the minutes they are given, AK is going to take on more minutes because he provides so much more than what Stew and Ross have produced. It has nothing to do if plays are being run for them or not. Produce and do your job. Take the open shots. Play good D. Value the ball. Neither Stew nor Ross has done this with any consistency whatsoever. It's not difficult. And especially for juniors, the time to let them play through their mistakes is long over. They shouldn't be making those same mistakes over and over again in relatively limited minutes. And before you say "AK does it, too!" AK had 8 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks, and one turnover in 38 minutes yesterday. He shot it poorly. He overpenetrated. And he also did a ton of great things to get us yet another win as he usually does.
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You’re so caught up in this you’re saying White produced when he averaged 4 points a game and scored 4 points in that game against Texas?

Yeah man this why I gotta see this stuff for myself because you all will literally say anything lol
 
HW611 said:
You mean the NCAA tournament game he played in 22 mins as a freshman?

Most minutes outside of Taliek, Emeka, and Ben lol.

But this is your example of short leash guy Calhoun wouldn’t play?
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Calhoun would not play him. He didn’t get off the bench for major minutes until Calhoun took a leave to have prostate surgery. Blaney played the against Virginia Tech and the kid produced and stayed in the rotation.

Absolutely embarrassing that you did not know that.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
The confidence to have pretty much every poster disagree with you on pretty much every topic and still be 100% convinced that you’re right on every topic is breathtaking.
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Every poster also told me Mahaney was going to be good and Furphy was going to contribute. This has made me not care what most of you all think.
Fishy said:
Calhoun would not play him. He didn’t get off the bench for major minutes until Calhoun took a leave to have prostate surgery. Blaney played the against Virginia Tech and the kid produced and stayed in the rotation.

Absolutely embarrassing that you did not know that.
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I was young, Fish. Marcus never became a relevant enough of a player for me to have to remember.

I also can’t tell you too much about how Wiggins, Curtis Kelly, or Marcus Johnson was even though I 100% watched those seasons.
 
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HW611 said:
You’re so caught up in this you’re saying White produced when he averaged 4 points a game and scored 4 points in that game against Texas?

Yeah man this why I gotta see this stuff for myself because you all will literally say anything lol
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You are so out of touch it’s just bizarre. The player you never saw play but continue to argue about was a bouncy defender and a rebounder. Think super poor man’s Rodman. He played a very meaningful role on a team that didn’t need him to score.

HW611 said:
Every poster also told me Mahaney was going to be good and Furphy was going to contribute. This has made me not care what most of you all think.

I was young, Fish. Marcus never became a relevant enough of a player for me to have to remember.

I also can’t tell you too much about how Wiggins, Curtis Kelly, or Marcus Johnson was even though I 100% watched those seasons.
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There’s a huge difference between prediction and literal analysis of things that happened.

Lastly, if you were young and don’t remember….WHY are you arguing with all of us who do?
 
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It’s fine not to know the difference between Marcus White and Marcus Johnson. It was a long time ago. But to not know and also make sweeping, incorrect statements about them is outright bizarre
 
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