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Nonetheless, WVU is a much more attractive choice than UConn at this time by any conference. They have a very competitive football program and their men's basketball program is also very good (currently ranked #6). Where is UConn ranked in men's athletics overall? Not even competitive in a mid major conference. Mismanagement since the declining days of the Big East. Sad statement and look what is happening now!
UConn is a much better school (academically, WVU isn't even in the same galaxy as UConn). And until recently we've had a better athletic program by far. But as you say, due to mismanagement our revenue sports are really suffering. Maybe that can be turned around by the time the next realignment occurs.
 
They were #3 in the committee rankings even with a loss. Had they beaten Miami and Stanford, they would’ve not only been in, they would’ve been the top seed.
The problem is that their schedule works against them. They have less margin of error than any other top program because they will never have a 13th data point, won’t feast as consistently on the bottom of their conference as Alabama or Clemson or Ohio State do, and thanks to longstanding rivalries they are intent on preserving, will have a minimum of 3 games against top B10/PAC programs. Obviously they can make the playoffs with only one loss, but they start off each season with the wind in their face.
 
Nonetheless, WVU is a much more attractive choice than UConn at this time by any conference. They have a very competitive football program and their men's basketball program is also very good (currently ranked #6). Where is UConn ranked in men's athletics overall? Not even competitive in a mid major conference. Mismanagement since the declining days of the Big East. Sad statement and look what is happening now!
For the 267th time, the AAC is not a mid-major. It's better or almost as strong as the Big East in every sport. The conference will house a couple of SEC schools' women's lacrosse programs soon.
 
The problem is that their schedule works against them. They have less margin of error than any other top program because they will never have a 13th data point, won’t feast as consistently on the bottom of their conference as Alabama or Clemson or Ohio State do, and thanks to longstanding rivalries they are intent on preserving, will have a minimum of 3 games against top B10/PAC programs. Obviously they can make the playoffs with only one loss, but they start off each season with the wind in their face.


All well understood and accepted by ND.
 
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No, but he doesn't really count.
No, and the guy who does can’t speak openly. But your old AD made a few comments back during the last shakeup which many alluded to smoke signals coming about Swarbrick, ones which turned out fairly prescient. If something were to happen in the future, I imagine we’d get similar outside quotes popping up as a way to lay the groundwork before Swarbrick does anything publicly.
 
Nonetheless, WVU is a much more attractive choice than UConn at this time by any conference. They have a very competitive football program and their men's basketball program is also very good (currently ranked #6). Where is UConn ranked in men's athletics overall? Not even competitive in a mid major conference. Mismanagement since the declining days of the Big East. Sad statement and look what is happening now!
And this is very untrue. Not all conferences care about just athletics. We're STILL on the Big Ten's radar. The people who run the Big Ten understand that UConn joining the Big Ten would work wonders for us and maybe them, too. Doesn't have to be just in football. But they know we have a far better athletic department than Rutgers.

Sometimes, I feel like this board is for counseling.

Parke Davis retroactively and unjustly awarded his own alma mater (Princeton) championships going back to 1869. There's way more in New England than the mid Atlantic states. The Ivies and the NESCAC never affiliated with schools just for athletics. There's even geography involved.
 
And this is very untrue. Not all conferences care about just athletics. We're STILL on the Big Ten's radar. The people who run the Big Ten understand that UConn joining the Big Ten would work wonders for us and maybe them, too. Doesn't have to be just in football. But they know we have a far better athletic department than Rutgers.

Sometimes, I feel like this board is for counseling.
Very heartening post. Question though: How do you know that UCONN is still on the B1G's radar?
 
And this is very untrue. Not all conferences care about just athletics. We're STILL on the Big Ten's radar. The people who run the Big Ten understand that UConn joining the Big Ten would work wonders for us and maybe them, too. Doesn't have to be just in football. But they know we have a far better athletic department than Rutgers.

Sometimes, I feel like this board is for counseling.

Parke Davis retroactively and unjustly awarded his own alma mater (Princeton) championships going back to 1869. There's way more in New England than the mid Atlantic states. The Ivies and the NESCAC never affiliated with schools just for athletics. There's even geography involved.
I don't see how you can say that my comment about WVU is untrue. They are better at football, the basketball program is thriving. UConn is struggling in conference play in the AAC except for women's sports. This is undeniable. Academics may have mattered in 1869, but they don't matter now. I can prove my statements about WVU by looking at their conference standing. Your B1G statement rings hollow.
 
I don't see how you can say that my comment about WVU is untrue. They are better at football, the basketball program is thriving. UConn is struggling in conference play in the AAC except for women's sports. This is undeniable. Academics may have mattered in 1869, but they don't matter now. I can prove my statements about WVU by looking at their conference standing. Your B1G statement rings hollow.
Wrong. Academic Excellence is a requirement for entry into the B1G. That fact is indisputable. Whether or not UCONN is on the B1G's radar is another matter. However, like Louisville, WVU is nothing more than a glorified sports academy. And UCONN's athletics are plenty good enough, even with the recent downturn in football and men's basketball. Hell, we won a national championship in men's basketball just four years ago. When was the last time WVU won a national championship in any sport? On top of this UCONN is in a major media market with a strong presence in NYC. WVU resides in lousy market. UCONN is a much more attractive candidate for the next round of realignment. And know this, if the ACC does add another school, they will not make the same mistake and another school with substandard academics. They will add a school with strong academics. Losing UMD (which has stellar academics) was a big blow to the ACC. Now that may mean that Cinci would get added instead of UCONN, but the next add will have solid academics. Cincinnati does have solid academics. Their academics just aren't top notch like UCONN's. So you are wrong, academics matter very much to the B1G and the ACC. Academics don't matter much to WVU and their fanbase though.
 
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Wrong. Academic Excellence is a requirement for entry into the B1G. That fact is indisputable. Whether or not UCONN is on the B1G's radar is another matter. However, like Louisville, WVU is nothing more than a glorified sports academy. And UCONN's athletics are plenty good enough, even with the recent downturn in football and men's basketball. Hell, we won a national championship in men's basketball just four years ago. When was the last time WVU won a national championship in any sport? On top of this UCONN is in a major media market with a strong presence in NYC. WVU resides in lousy market. UCONN is a much more attractive candidate for the next round of realignment. And know this, if the ACC does add another school, they will not make the same mistake and another school with substandard academics. They will add a school with strong academics. Losing UMD (which has stellar academics) was a big blow to the ACC. Now that may mean that Cinci would get added instead of UCONN, but the next add will have solid academics. Cincinnati does have solid academics. Their academics just aren't top notch like UCONN's. So you are wrong, academics matter very much to the B1G and the ACC. Academics don't matter much to WVU and their fanbase though.

Who are you even replying to? Is somebody suggesting WVU to the Big Ten?

I think your view of Academics is a bit off. WVU is a flagship state university, and while not one of the better ones, it has some decent research numbers and isn't anything like Louisville or Memphis. WVU is already in a P5 conference anyway and is subject to a GOR. They can't move now. The B1G wouldn't want them, and the ACC turned them down once before (stupidly, I think). They have top notch athletic programs across the board.

Cincinnati is a perfectly good school, and while behind UConn in USNWR and undergrad rankings, is generally well ahead of UConn in the area of graduate research that the B1G values so highly. The AAU is all about graduate research, not undergrad admission criteria. That said, Ohio State would never let Cincinnati join the B1G. Not sure why it is even a consideration. Plus they add zero as a market. The ACC, different story there. They'd be a candidate there, probably our main competitor. Fortunately, I don't think the ACC has any interest in a 3rd Florida school.
 
Who are you even replying to? Is somebody suggesting WVU to the Big Ten?

I think your view of Academics is a bit off. WVU is a flagship state university, and while not one of the better ones, it has some decent research numbers and isn't anything like Louisville or Memphis. WVU is already in a P5 conference anyway and is subject to a GOR. They can't move now. The B1G wouldn't want them, and the ACC turned them down once before (stupidly, I think). They have top notch athletic programs across the board.

Cincinnati is a perfectly good school, and while behind UConn in USNWR and undergrad rankings, is generally well ahead of UConn in the area of graduate research that the B1G values so highly. The AAU is all about graduate research, not undergrad admission criteria. That said, Ohio State would never let Cincinnati join the B1G. Not sure why it is even a consideration. Plus they add zero as a market. The ACC, different story there. They'd be a candidate there, probably our main competitor. Fortunately, I don't think the ACC has any interest in a 3rd Florida school.
I replied to Buddy who replied to Butch. Buddy stated that academics don't matter. Not sure why he's spouting off about WVU being a more attractive candidate than UCONN when they are locked into the Big 12 until 2024 or so. I guess all of these WVU yahoos now want to move to the ACC.

You are correct that WVU is a flagship university, not just one of the better ones. And you are correct with your take on Cincinnati academics.
 
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And this is very untrue. Not all conferences care about just athletics. We're STILL on the Big Ten's radar. The people who run the Big Ten understand that UConn joining the Big Ten would work wonders for us and maybe them, too. Doesn't have to be just in football. But they know we have a far better athletic department than Rutgers.

Sometimes, I feel like this board is for counseling.

Parke Davis retroactively and unjustly awarded his own alma mater (Princeton) championships going back to 1869. There's way more in New England than the mid Atlantic states. The Ivies and the NESCAC never affiliated with schools just for athletics. There's even geography involved.

Conference call in 20 minutes?
 
Kelly has a personal motive to join the ACC for the CCG and an easier schedule as it helps him keep his job in years he doesn't make the playoff. Swarbrick doesn't and his math regarding ND's playoff chances is spot on.
 
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Academic excellence is not necessarily related to AAU membership. which is allegedly a requirement of admission of a school to the B1G. (UConn is actually has higher academic ranking that some AAU members). Note I said allegedly, as if it was a requirement for membership,then Nebraska would be asked to leave that league. Secondly, I never alluded that WVU would be considered for the B1G. However, they would be considered for the ACC, if, for example, the Big 12 dissolves in the near future. Academics do not matter to the ACC. That is all that I was saying. Those who like to ignore this, just are taking the ostrich approach and sticking their heads in the sand. Also, how many of us see another men's national basketball championship in the pipeline? How many of you all can see an AAC regular season championship in the next couple years in men's basketball or football for that matter? WVU can be at least a final four team this year. I am not a WVU fan, just stating what I see. Posters here are always mocking other members of the AAC and schools like WVU, who have been successful in men's athletics. It seems to me that UConn is the one struggling to succeed in men's sports at this time.
 
When was the last time WVU won a national championship in any sport?
They won the last 5 rifle championships (2013-2017) and 19 in total. Outside of that they had men's BB in 1942 and men's boxing in 1938. Thank you Wikipedia.
I assume you meant in a relevant sport, but I had to add my 2 cents just for fun :)
 
They won the last 5 rifle championships (2013-2017) and 19 in total. Outside of that they had men's BB in 1942 and men's boxing in 1938. Thank you Wikipedia.
I assume you meant in a relevant sport, but I had to add my 2 cents just for fun :)
That's going to go over really big in North Carolina and Virginia.
 
That's going to go over really big in North Carolina and Virginia.
They do love guns there! WVU is P5 already. That will not change. UConn is G5. Does anyone really believe that will change in the next decade? I wouldn't mock WVU. UConn may need their vote someday.
 
They do love guns there! WVU is P5 already. That will not change. UConn is G5. Does anyone really believe that will change in the next decade? I wouldn't mock WVU. UConn may need their vote someday.
I assume you are insinuating WVU will be in the ACC. Wrong again! If the ACC has to pick between WVU and UCONN, they will pick UCONN. They will not pick a school in a crappy market with crappy academics again. You really are an idiot.
 
I assume you are insinuating WVU will be in the ACC. Wrong again! If the ACC has to pick between WVU and UCONN, they will pick UCONN. They will not pick a school in a crappy market with crappy academics again. You really are an idiot.
No, I'm not an idiot. UConn has already been rejected by the ACC three times, including when UConn had successful athletics. I am not insinuating that WVU will be in the ACC. They have a GOR with the Big 12. I am saying that should the Big 12 implode, they will likely be given strong consideration by the ACC for the reasons that you mentioned.
 
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No, I'm not an idiot. UConn has already been rejected by the ACC three times, including when UConn had successful athletics. I am not insinuating that WVU will be in the ACC. They have a GOR with the Big 12. I am saying that should the Big 12 implode, they will likely be given strong consideration by the ACC for the reasons that you mentioned.
You were talking about the ACC. The ACC had a chance to add WVU and passed on them as well. UCONN would be added before WVU without a doubt. Why add a school in a crappy media market with mediocre academics at best? And again, they don't win championships in anything.
 
No, I'm not an idiot. UConn has already been rejected by the ACC three times, including when UConn had successful athletics. I am not insinuating that WVU will be in the ACC. They have a GOR with the Big 12. I am saying that should the Big 12 implode, they will likely be given strong consideration by the ACC for the reasons that you mentioned.
No not an idiot in general, but yes in that you think you can fool the UConn fans on this board into believing your stupid crap. When you say "rejected three times" you fail to provide the actual vote count amongst the member schools during those three times.
 
No not an idiot in general, but yes in that you think you can fool the UConn fans on this board into believing your stupid crap. When you say "rejected three times" you fail to provide the actual vote count amongst the member schools during those three times.
If UConn wasn't rejected, they would be in. How would I possibly know the vote? Generally, the actual vote is unanimous after the university presidents are cajoled to save face, so the general public never knows what the real vote was. Nonetheless, if UConn had the votes, they would have been in. But they didn't so they are not. How much more in denial can you possibly be? I do know that UConn was not invited when the BE was breaking up, not invited along with Syracuse (they took Pitt to placate BC) and not invited in 2012 when they took Louisville to placate BC, FSU and Clemson. You absolutely cannot deny this.
 
If UConn wasn't rejected, they would be in. How would I possibly know the vote? Generally, the actual vote is unanimous after the university presidents are cajoled to save face, so the general public never knows what the real vote was. Nonetheless, if UConn had the votes, they would have been in. But they didn't so they are not. How much more in denial can you possibly be? I do know that UConn was not invited when the BE was breaking up, not invited along with Syracuse (they took Pitt to placate BC) and not invited in 2012 when they took Louisville to placate BC, FSU and Clemson. You absolutely cannot deny this.
And if WVU had the votes they'd be in the ACC. But the ACC passed on them as well. How much more in denial can you be? You absolutely cannot deny this. Once again, if the ACC has to choose between UCONN and WVU come 2023 or 2024, they will choose UCONN without thinking about it.
 
If UConn wasn't rejected, they would be in. How would I possibly know the vote? Generally, the actual vote is unanimous after the university presidents are cajoled to save face, so the general public never knows what the real vote was. Nonetheless, if UConn had the votes, they would have been in. But they didn't so they are not. How much more in denial can you possibly be? I do know that UConn was not invited when the BE was breaking up, not invited along with Syracuse (they took Pitt to placate BC) and not invited in 2012 when they took Louisville to placate BC, FSU and Clemson. You absolutely cannot deny this.
I consider myself part of the general public and I know what the actual vote was and I can tell you it wouldn't help your case much in this debate, and I think you also know what the actual vote was. So who's probably in denial now??? Hilary Clinton was rejected three times by the American people, so I guess she should throw in the towel too? Lol
 
I would actually like to know what the actual vote was, I am unaware. I always thought they make it unanimous no matter what as a show of strength. I do think Hillary should throw in the towel.
 
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