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Jeff Jacobs: A Big 12 Circus Freak Show

So a giant state corporation, one that has received some substantial tax breaks, essentially has been working against the state flagship university in conference expansion. Business is business and this doesn't make ESPN the devil. Yet any attempts to paint itself as Switzerland are also disingenuous. ESPN has plenty of clout. Look, a corporation lives where it lives. And if UConn fans want to be angry at the Worldwide Leader of Bristol, I say anger away. The locals have every right to make ESPN squirm.

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This wasn't the intent when the NCAA Division I board of directors voted in 2014 to allow the five conferences to write their own rules, like cost-of-attendance stipends, recruiting, etc. The intent was to allow the schools with the resources to use them so they wouldn't bolt yet to keep Division I together by allowing the smaller schools to afford it. The rule helped Texas and Oklahoma. The rule helped Hartford and Quinnipiac. The unintended consequence is the rule kicks the hell out of UConn and Cincinnati and Houston. Autonomy didn't address the schools that had the budget to run with the Power Five in 2014 and won't have it in 2024. Does the NCAA have the courage to re-address this massive problem?

"How do we find the mid-line?" Benedict said. "Right now there isn't one. For the programs not a part of the Power Five that have the desire to compete at that level and have the potential to produce similar revenues, it's certainly a conversation that needs to be had."

"There is a lot of thinking and planning to do," Herbst said. "This is not our ideal world. We're trying to keep ourselves as strong as those schools. We already feel we're Power Five and it's odd that we're not in that group given we have all their attributes.

"The landscape has changed so much in the past five years. I bet there is more fluidity to come."

Just don't flow back to the Big 12. They're clowns, rich clowns, but still clowns.
 
junglehusky said:
Jeff Jacobs: A Big 12 Circus Freak Show

So a giant state corporation, one that has received some substantial tax breaks, essentially has been working against the state flagship university in conference expansion. Business is business and this doesn't make ESPN the devil. Yet any attempts to paint itself as Switzerland are also disingenuous. ESPN has plenty of clout. Look, a corporation lives where it lives. And if UConn fans want to be angry at the Worldwide Leader of Bristol, I say anger away. The locals have every right to make ESPN squirm.

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This wasn't the intent when the NCAA Division I board of directors voted in 2014 to allow the five conferences to write their own rules, like cost-of-attendance stipends, recruiting, etc. The intent was to allow the schools with the resources to use them so they wouldn't bolt yet to keep Division I together by allowing the smaller schools to afford it. The rule helped Texas and Oklahoma. The rule helped Hartford and Quinnipiac. The unintended consequence is the rule kicks the hell out of UConn and Cincinnati and Houston. Autonomy didn't address the schools that had the budget to run with the Power Five in 2014 and won't have it in 2024. Does the NCAA have the courage to re-address this massive problem?

"How do we find the mid-line?" Benedict said. "Right now there isn't one. For the programs not a part of the Power Five that have the desire to compete at that level and have the potential to produce similar revenues, it's certainly a conversation that needs to be had."

"There is a lot of thinking and planning to do," Herbst said. "This is not our ideal world. We're trying to keep ourselves as strong as those schools. We already feel we're Power Five and it's odd that we're not in that group given we have all their attributes.

"The landscape has changed so much in the past five years. I bet there is more fluidity to come."

Just don't flow back to the Big 12. They're clowns, rich clowns, but still clowns.
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You know, next month will be 4 years since the ACC took Louisville over us and now he is writing about the "sad road to eventually irrelevance?"

I mean really Jeff, this wasn't obvious years ago. My feelings aren't the least bit hurt as fan over the Big 12 dog and pony show. My feelings were hurt in 2012, I would love to see what our presentation to the ACC looked like then, we've clearly learned since then, but that was the most logical fit out of all of them.

Now I'm hoping Tim Brando is right and Notre Dame joins the ACC and we tag along.
 
I hate to say it, but I think we'll always be a bridesmaid. Everybody talks us up, but they never come clean. So much BS. We should start talking to the best of what's left and develop iour iwn power conference.
 
noeynox said:
You know, next month will be 4 years since the ACC took Louisville over us and now he is writing about the "sad road to eventually irrelevance?"

I mean really Jeff, this wasn't obvious years ago. My feelings aren't the least bit hurt as fan over the Big 12 dog and pony show. My feelings were hurt in 2012, I would love to see what our presentation to the ACC looked like then, we've clearly learned since then, but that was the most logical fit out of all of them.

Now I'm hoping Tim Brando is right and Notre Dame joins the ACC and we tag along.
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The time to panic was when Warde was sipping pina coladas.* We were dead in the water then, the B12 was just a fantasy to kill time with. The real losers there are Houston and Cincy, one of whom built a new football stadium and the other who renovated/expanded for millions.

*Hypothetical. It was do or die then, I don't really care at this point if no one was to blame. As Yoda said, there is no try.
 
junglehusky said:
Jeff Jacobs: A Big 12 Circus Freak Show

"there have been reports that the reason the Big12 backed off expansion is that the television powers are paying the conference NOT to expand."

Do you believe this, Jeff? You throw this out there as a possibility but nothing more. Tell me when it's known what the deal is between ESPN/Fox and the Big12 NOT to expand that the Big12 are still a bunch of clowns.
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HuskyinWRNY said:
We should start talking to the best of what's left and develop iour iwn power conference.
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Every team that wants to be, is already in a conference. Some make more, but most make less than the AAC. What differentiates the Power Conferences from the rest is not member institutions. You cannot "develop iour iwn[sic]" power conference without a lot of help. Only one power conference has their seat at the table based on the attributes of most of their membership roster and that's the Big Ten. The PAC 12 is there because of location. The Big XII and ACC have it based on two the strength of two schools.

No. The differentiation is money and the perception of who deserves it. Right now, there is not enough money to go around and the sources are limited from where it comes. Of course, this is in the current distribution model.

Distribution is ever evolving and, going forward, very likely to change. There are indications all over the place (i.e. broadcasting over Twitter, Periscope, etc.). Their is limited interest/ability now, but Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu all (not only distribute, but) produce original content available for about $100/year and is all on demand. I have little doubt that at least one of them continues to look into the feasibility of live sports. EDIT: Hulu (I regret to discover) is owned by Fox and Disney and is rumored to offer a college sports package next year.

The NFL teamed with Yahoo last year to be the sole distributor of a London game. I had 2 devices tuned in just for ha-has (Didn't really care for the teams playing, but at 9:00 in the morning, what else was on?) and there was little buffering or lag on either one. As Smart TV technology improves, it's only going to get better.

Let me be clear, UConn deserves a seat at the table, but in the coc-kamamie world of the NCAA and college football, deserve really has nothing to do with it.
 
Never really wanted Big 12 anyway. The Civil ConFLiCT has many years left to be written!
 
HuskyinWRNY said:
I hate to say it, but I think we'll always be a bridesmaid. Everybody talks us up, but they never come clean. So much BS. We should start talking to the best of what's left and develop iour iwn power conference.
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With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the power conference!
 
Husky25 said:
Every team that wants to be, is already in a conference. Some make more, but most make less than the AAC. What differentiates the Power Conferences from the rest is not member institutions. You cannot "develop iour iwn[sic]" power conference without a lot of help. Only one power conference has their seat at the table based on the attributes of most of their membership roster and that's the Big Ten. The PAC 12 is there because of location. The Big XII and ACC have it based on two the strength of two schools.

No. The differentiation is money and the perception of who deserves it. Right now, there is not enough money to go around and the sources are limited from where it comes. Of course, this is in the current distribution model.

Distribution is ever evolving and, going forward, very likely to change. There are indications all over the place (i.e. broadcasting over Twitter, Periscope, etc.). Their is limited interest/ability now, but Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu all (not only distribute, but) produce original content available for about $100/year and is all on demand. I have little doubt that at least one of them continues to look into the feasibility of live sports. EDIT: Hulu (I regret to discover) is owned by Fox and Disney and is rumored to offer a college sports package next year.

The NFL teamed with Yahoo last year to be the sole distributor of a London game. I had 2 devices tuned in just for ha-has (Didn't really care for the teams playing, but at 9:00 in the morning, what else was on?) and there was little buffering or lag on either one. As Smart TV technology improves, it's only going to get better.

Let me be clear, UConn deserves a seat at the table, but in the coc-kamamie world of the NCAA and college football, deserve really has nothing to do with it.
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But there will be more bargaining power/money available with a stronger conference.
 
The only positive thing to come out of this debacle is that Memphis fans finally learned exactly where the stand in relation to everyone else in this process:
The Big 12 couldn't even pretend they wanted Memphis.
 
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HuskyinWRNY said:
But there will be more bargaining power/money available with a stronger conference.
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Did you even read my post? I ask because it certainly appears you didn't get the concept.

Oh and I mispoke. UMass is Independent but probably wants to get into a conference.
 
IMind said:
The only positive thing to come out of this debacle is that Memphis fans finally learned exactly where the stand in relation to everyone else in this process:
The Big 12 couldn't even pretend they wanted Memphis.
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The problem is, Memphis fans didn't learn that. (A joke could be made here about their capacity for learning.) As recently as yesterday they were still tweeting that they expected the Big XII to announce them and Cincy as members at the press conference.
 
NYUConn said:
Tim Brando is a great X's and O's football guy, but if you tie your P5 hopes to what he's saying you're in for a major disappointment.
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Well, what do you got?
 
junglehusky said:

(answer: playoff expansion)
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Interesting read. If they expand the playoffs with conference tie-ins, you'd have to provide 1 for the G5 leagues.

Like it or not, the G5 rep has done pretty well from the AAC.

The NY6 bids would be even further marginalized.
 
Marty Jackson said:
Interesting read. If they expand the playoffs with conference tie-ins, you'd have to provide 1 for the G5 leagues.

Like it or not, the G5 rep has done pretty well from the AAC.

The NY6 bids would be even further marginalized.
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The NY6 bowls should also die in a fire. Fealty to bowl committees is one of the main reasons why the P5 was formed, to preserve traditional bowl matches with large traveling fan bases.
 
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noeynox said:
Well, what do you got?
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I got a history of Tim Brando not knowing what the hell he's talking about in terms of CR to fall back on, but in terms of P5 optimism, not much.

Our best path to the P5 in the near future (near being anywhere between 5-10 years) lays in a combination of:

1) Continuing to improve academically to the point of achieving AAU status.

2) Winning more and more football games every season.

Longterm the only way to stay on the P5 radar is to achieve 1 & 2 and figure out a way to scratch out enough new revenue to keep our athletic department running at a P5 level. The state subsidy isn't going to continue at it's current level (though it won't dry up completely), as far as I can tell we can try to:

1) Go all in on building a SEC-level booster network around our men's and women's bball programs (and to a lesser extent Football and eventually Hockey). Coming from Auburn I think Benedict can actually get that done.

2) Somehow free up our T3 media rights. Not so easy.

So, yeah, no easy solutions.
 
NYUConn said:
I got a history of Tim Brando not knowing what the hell he's talking about in terms of CR to fall back on, but in terms of P5 optimism, not much.

Our best path to the P5 in the near future (near being anywhere between 5-10 years) lays in a combination of:

1) Continuing to improve academically to the point of achieving AAU status.

2) Winning more and more football games every season.

Longterm the only way to stay on the P5 radar is to achieve 1 & 2 and figure out a way to scratch out enough new revenue to keep our athletic department running at a P5 level. The state subsidy isn't going to continue at it's current level (though it won't dry up completely), as far as I can tell we can try to:

1) Go all in on building a SEC-level booster network around our men's and women's bball programs (and to a lesser extent Football and eventually Hockey). Coming from Auburn I think Benedict can actually get that done.

2) Somehow free up our T3 media rights. Not so easy.

So, yeah, no easy solutions.
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What state subsidy is everyone always talking about? There is a subsidy from students, but (and maybe this isn't obvious to everyone?) students are not the state.
 
WestHartHusk said:
What state subsidy is everyone always talking about? There is a subsidy from students, but (and maybe this isn't obvious to everyone?) students are not the state.
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Sorry, I phrased that incorrectly/poorly. What I meant was state funding. Over the last half decade the state has pumped more and more money into UConn to eliminate the deficits it's running, which in turn has made it possible to increase student fees to the level of our current athletic subsidy.

Without the state funding, you aren't going to see the student fee subsidy continue at the level it is at the moment.
 
huskymedic said:
Joe D'Ambrosio (@JoeDSports)
10/18/16, 3:01 PM
Today @JoeDandGresh
335 #MikeAresco
410 @dennisdoddcbs
435 @BerryTramel
510 @RandPecknold
540 @SIPeteThamel
@WTIC1080
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I have to say that I really like Aresco. I'm glad he's pushing the P6 message, and quite frankly, there isn't much reason why he shouldn't. Our football conference has been very good, and the rest of our sports have absolutely performed up to any "P5" metric.

Hopefully he can continue to deliver on that message, and hopefully the message translates into tv contract dollars...
 
huskymedic said:
Joe D'Ambrosio (@JoeDSports)
10/18/16, 3:01 PM
Today @JoeDandGresh
335 #MikeAresco
410 @dennisdoddcbs
435 @BerryTramel
510 @RandPecknold
540 @SIPeteThamel
@WTIC1080
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I don't even have to listen...probably gonna go something like this:

"Hey Mike, do you think Florida State takes a look at the Big12 now? And what about UMass, I think they'd be a great fit in the AAC."

"Dennis, great job. You dodged a bullet, definitely don't want to add UConn."

"Berry, great talking to you. You had the scoop all along. Let's talk about how much more valuable OSU and ISU are then UConn. And the way Tech carries the Lubbock market...it's really very impressive."

"Rand, I'm not sure who you are...I don't do any research before these calls and until we speak 3 or 4 times I won't remember you. Let's take a look at the traffic and weather together."

"Pete, what's good. Did you know I went to URI. Nice basketball facility they have there. Think they'd be a good fit in the AAC?"
 
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