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Difficult for ONO to do her job without experience on the court. She was a star in HS, and has the skill set to be so in college, but she NEEDS to be on the court. Geno's talked about the difficulty of playing QB. But, ask any rookie QB in the NFL - until you get experience under your belt, you aren't going to develop on the pro level. Give her floor time and let her learn from her mistakes, and blossom into the player we need in the paint. Without her, its going to be tough against taller opponents with capable coaching.
The handwriting was on the wall early and certainly in the 4th qtr. ONO played nearly as well against Baylor as others had, didn't have the strength of Touly, absolutely EXPERIENCE is not gained in practice or sitting watching. Baylor taught the entire team some lessons and ONO would have gained experience Uconn will need if they are to go far in March/april.
 
I agree: If Megan Walker had the OPPORTUNITY to play her A game--it's a win.
Did Phee or KLS have their A games.

Do you really think that MW would start over Azura Stevens this season, if she had decided to stay and not got to the WNBA? Megan Walker could be a really good 1st or 2nd player off the bench, on a strong UCONN team, but not a starter.
 
What went wrong? SIZE. That's all. Phee couldn't get any shots inside against 6 5, 6 7---it is the Griner story with added 3 point fire power.
Uconn PLAYED GREAT. Twice they were down by 10 --twice they came back.
The one element some of us have been screaming about and Uconn didn't get (you can't always get the Xmas presents you want) is SIZE, Tall, Wide.

What went right? Walker and CW drilled big 3's when needed. Touly was very effective on defense against Brown, I would have kept her in. Katie Lou and Danger nearly killed themselves trying to win---I call that a plus.
Get real Uconn fans--Uconn played great for the most part were done in by SIZE---

Touly was picking up a foul after every other possession. She would not have lasted long.
 
Do you really think that MW would start over Azura Stevens this season, if she had decided to stay and not got to the WNBA? Megan Walker could be a really good 1st or 2nd player off the bench, on a strong UCONN team, but not a starter.
You should have sent this to Geno not me. I can't see why he didn't play Stevens against baylor rather than Walker. That was dumb of him wasn't it??
 
Touly was picking up a foul after every other possession. She would not have lasted long.
The question you must answer---did Touly give up more points than anyone else guarding Brown--and how effective was she in keeping Brown occupied ? Fouls no matter how many don't matter if you are going to sit that player anyway. No fouls on the bench sitters but nothing good either.
 
Stanford’s ability to put Coffee and Smith out on the perimeter and to have them go 3-4 and 5-9 from 3 was the difference. It was
something UConn didn’t have last night, but should have should they meet Baylor again.
 
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In watching the game, uconn just looked so small......In league play both Ono and Touly have to play a lot. Although Ono is lean, she can develop and help us. Touly looked like she belonged in there and can only get better with more play. Kyla can bang inside and can give a few minutes. Unfortunately Megan has never shown me much, although I always hope for more. Adjustments will probably be made and there is a lot of time to change things around. I trust Geno and staff to get the team going. The game is changing and hopefully we can change with it.
 
Credit to Kim for putting Brown on Walker and forcing Meghan to make shots. Once Meghan showed reluctance, Brown could basically sag off her, clog the middle and allow the perimeter defenders to stay in the face of our shooters. That really made the difference. I would expect to see something similar from Miss St or Stanford, if we play them.

What goes around comes around: St Johns, OK, Cal all gave Mulkey a model for a game plan. If a team has bigs; Baylor added one more hitch to Uconn's giddy up. Ms St, Stanford are no fools they will keep the tapes of these games for April should Uconn meet them then. Because Uconn won those games mentioned few saw the many weaknesses of this team or had too much faith that Geno could always find a rabbit in his hat of trick.s The tricks ran out last evening. No shame, it had to happen, how does a team with EFFECTIVELY 5 players win every game?? Answer: They don't.
 
The question you must answer---did Touly give up more points than anyone else guarding Brown--and how effective was she in keeping Brown occupied ? Fouls no matter how many don't matter if you are going to sit that player anyway. No fouls on the bench sitters but nothing good either.


I thought Touly was active and wanted to compete which is the biggest thing for me. Yes, she fouled to much because she took on Brown 1-1 alot. On the other hand, I thought she was very good setting tough screens which we really did not capitalize on. Anyhow, still decompressing.
 
Louisville will take care of them for UConn again in April.
Too much size. Too much Cox (the difference maker imho.) Too much everything.
(And the size problem only gets worse next year.)

We were manhandled for much of the game but got some gritty play to stay in it.

Baylor is a bad matchup for this team. Hope to not have to face them again.

First non-OT loss since? 2013?
 
Credit to Kim for putting Brown on Walker and forcing Meghan to make shots. Once Meghan showed reluctance, Brown could basically sag off her, clog the middle and allow the perimeter defenders to stay in the face of our shooters. That really made the difference. I would expect to see something similar from Miss St or Stanford, if we play them.

She also had Baylor picking up the defense further up the court, reminiscent of what Miss St did in the semi-final two years ago and they fought through picks and screens hard, generally playing very physically, which I agree tired UConn out late in the game. Result was a lot of tough shots a few feet further out than usual taken more quickly and more difficulty penetrating. Geno urged them to run the offense longer but that didn't happen- too much confidence they could make the difficult shots? Or, a lack of confidence they could get a better shot? The offense just doesn't have the flow of past years teams, but as others have said, give Baylor credit for a good plan and good execution.
 
Going forward, at least UCONN will now have the AAC to feast on. I don't forsee UCONN losing an In-Conference game. Although South Carolina will be a challenging game, I see UCONN winning that game. The next and only true test will be the Louisville game. This, I can see UCONN possibly going into NCAA Selection Day, with 2 losses. This could still give UCONN a #1 seed, but not necessarily coming from the Albany Region (I can see them possibly going to the Southeast Region). Thus, allot would be riding on that Louisville game.
 
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It takes posts longer to develop when moving up a level. Upperclass post players are bigger, stronger, and have better footwork. Unless there’s some miracle, Olivia won’t dominate as a freshman unless she can put on 15healthy pounds of muscle overnight
She does not have to dominate. Just get the opportunity to play and and play as well as she can without fear of making mistakes. Also, I wonder how Irwin would have done if she had been given the opportunity to shoot the shots Walker had. I said before Walker came to UConn that I did not believe she had an accurate shot and some posters got all over me. I still feel that way. Walker is a scorer, not necessarily an accurate shooter.
 
Happy New Year @Chong-Master. Solids points all around. Megan Walker is a starter on every team in WCBB though. Megan had a bad game last night. In looking back at both the 2016 and 2017 classes only one player (Cox) in both of those classes would have made a difference for UCONN in that game. Cox chose Baylor.
I don't agree that Megan Walker is a starter on any other WCBB Team.
 
I have been watching Lou cut through the paint for three years. I cannot remember ever seeing a pass to her during this cut. Not only Lou, but anybody cutting through the paint never receives a pass. Perhaps this is just a method of trying to lose the defender. This has to be tiresome unless you are setting up in the post to take advantage of a mismatch. Geno knows why he does it.
Another thing I have is an unproven theory. All freshmen generally have to adapt to a parade of taller players than they played against in high school. In high school, a 6'2'' player ended up in the post. In college, that same freshmen may have a 6'4" defender on the perimeter that presents a number of problems.
I have noticed this year that a number of schools have serious height: ND, Stanford, MSU, Baylor even TN looks big this year. SIZE= Advantage if athletic enough.
 
At Baylor she would definitely start over Richards.
At ND she might not start over Young but Young would slide to the 2 and Mabrey is your 6th man.
Idk about that. Muffet likes to have Mabrey handling the ball unless Nixon comes in then She’ll do that. But You could be right. It would just be weird to have someone of Mabreys Caliber and Experience on the bench.
 
I have been watching Lou cut through the paint for three years. I cannot remember ever seeing a pass to her during this cut. Not only Lou, but anybody cutting through the paint never receives a pass. Perhaps this is just a method of trying to lose the defender. This has to be tiresome unless you are setting up in the post to take advantage of a mismatch. Geno knows why he does it.
Another thing I have is an unproven theory. All freshmen generally have to adapt to a parade of taller players than they played against in high school. In high school, a 6'2'' player ended up in the post. In college, that same freshmen may have a 6'4" defender on the perimeter that presents a number of problems.
I have noticed this year that a number of schools have serious height: ND, Stanford, MSU, Baylor even TN looks big this year. SIZE= Advantage if athletic enough.

Touly, passed the ball to Lou, made a nice cut to the basket--wide open--no pass.
 
Looks like the "Boneyard is spinning out of control" ..
Remember this is/was a rebuilding year, I figured 4-7 loss's .... and a run at the final 4.... Because of bad breaks in recruiting and promises not kept, the team for the most part is in a "On The Job Training Status". and will stay that way for a year or two....until they catch hold of the UConn MoJo ...

Last night the game was ours for the taking, if everybody played to their average, we'd have a different tune this day..but finals, holidays, a terrible travel schedule and nasty rust ..said NO WIN..

So have patience all is well and another Nation is in site...

Just ask my good buddy "Tony C"...
 
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At the beginning of the season, all but the most optimistic BY’er felt that 3 tough road tests vs ND, Baylor & Louisville would result in 1 or more losses. UConn had a great win in South Bend, but last night had a tough loss against a very good Baylor team. Let’s see how the Huskies do in Louisville before we write this team’s epitaph.

After the game last night, Geno said what many of us were thinking. This team has very little margin for error. There are a number of teams capable of winning a national championship this season. Make no mistake. UConn is one of those teams.
You are not only old but wise, grasshopper. As usual, a sober, measured, rational assessment.
 
I don't agree that Megan Walker is a starter on any other WCBB Team.
So far ND and Baylor have been offered as possible places where Megan would not be starting this year. I disagree with both. On what other WCBB team wouldn't Megan Walker be a starter?

Do you really think that MW would start over Azura Stevens this season, if she had decided to stay and not got to the WNBA?
Wrong premise, Megan walker is a SF, Azura is a PF/C. So yes, I really think that MW would be starting along with Azura Stevens not instead of her.
 
At Baylor she would definitely start over Richards.
At ND she might not start over Young but Young would slide to the 2 and Mabrey is your 6th man.
I disagree that Muffet would bench Marina Mabrey for Walker. I believe that if Walker were on the Irish, she would be the first player off the bench, not a starter. Megan is better inside, but Young and Ogunbowale are both slashers and Shepard and Turner are both more effective around the basket. Mabrey is our primary 3-pt threat, which opens the floor. Ogunbowale is not a bad 3-pt shooter when she shoots in rhythm (and I expect Arike's 3-pt % to rise as the season progresses.) But Megan would come in for Young or Ogunbowale, I believe.
 
Wrong premise, Megan walker is a SF, Azura is a PF/C. So yes, I really think that MW would be starting along with Azura Stevens not instead of her.
I think if Azura came back, she would start along with Williams, Dangerfield, Collier and Samuelson. The front court would be Azura and Collier, KLS at SF, and the backcourt would be CD and Williams. But I think Walker would inherit Azura's role as the bench player with a large number of minutes (unlike this year's bench, where no one serves that role yet).
 
I disagree that Muffet would bench Marina Mabrey for Walker. I believe that if Walker were on the Irish, she would be the first player off the bench, not a starter. Megan is better inside, but Young and Ogunbowale are both slashers and Shepard and Turner are both more effective around the basket. Mabrey is our primary 3-pt threat, which opens the floor. Ogunbowale is not a bad 3-pt shooter when she shoots in rhythm (and I expect Arike's 3-pt % to rise as the season progresses.) But Megan would come in for Young or Ogunbowale, I believe.
I see your point but happen to disagree.
IMO as Muffet's 1st/only #1 recruit Megan would have been a day 1 starter at ND. The bar was not very high with Turner coming off ACL and Shepard awaiting eligibility and better conditioning either player would have been a better option to be ND's 6th man in the front court.
 
So far ND and Baylor have been offered as possible places where Megan would not be starting this year. I disagree with both. On what other WCBB team wouldn't Megan Walker be a starter?


Wrong premise, Megan walker is a SF, Azura is a PF/C. So yes, I really think that MW would be starting along with Azura Stevens not instead of her.
MW wouldn't start at Stanford. MW "might" start at Oregon State and UO, but, on all these PAC-12 teams wouldn't be in the top 5 for minutes played. So after rereading the statement, I changed my response.
 
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It takes posts longer to develop when moving up a level. Upperclass post players are bigger, stronger, and have better footwork. Unless there’s some miracle, Olivia won’t dominate as a freshman unless she can put on 15healthy pounds of muscle overnight

Similar to Brittney Griner, as Griner started Baylor tall and very thin! ONO will get in better shape each year.
 
MW wouldn't start at Stanford. MW "might" start at Oregon State and UO, but, on all these PAC-12 teams wouldn't be in the top 5 for minutes played. So after rereading the statement, I changed my response.
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I remember there was a thread started after the Notre Dame game that this UConn team was better than last year team. I thought it was kind of ridiculous at that time.

Well, it's like Geno says about the Boneyard, "25 percent of them really know basketball and are really tuned in, the other 75 percent of them are comical in what they write".(Paraphrasing here)
 
UConn has three of the nation's four #1 high school recruits in its starting lineup (as pointed out in last night's broadcast, Baylor has the other one). That probably helps!
I can't help but say the magic words: "Just like Baylor did." Mulkey got skewered on the BY for scheduling a cupcake between the break and UConn. Maybe she was smarter than a lot of us thought. Of course, none of that says anything about the fact that Baylor is just really, really big, plain and simple, and UConn looked like they had never seen players of that size. Yes they came back and yes, that's admirable, but at the end of the day, they couldn't get into the tall trees and make magic happen.
 
Would have liked to have been able to sub her out during her shooting draught, but may be a bit quick to pull plug on Walker based on one game. If we only used this game, we might bench LKS and Williams as well. Walker has been solid all year. She was one of the only UConn players to get open shots but missed. Some nights this happens.
I really don't like to pile on one player, but it is not just one game. She hasn't shown the spark that she had at the start of the season for some time now, since just before she got sick. And I;'m starting to believe the BYers who say that a #1 pick actually can't shoot well. It makes no sense, but that's what my eyes are telling me. I really hope I'm wrong.
 
On Sports Center, saw Geno's take on the game. He said he was disappointed not in the loss but how his team stood around so much because he felt everyone was hoping some one else would make a play.

Hello MW.
 
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