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easttexastrash said:
I agreed that the team needed to step up their effort. I thought they were not as aggressive as they could have been, so I cannot say that I do not agree with her assessment.
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Do you have any idea where one can find Baylor's schedule for next season? I am interested to find out whether they will be challenging themselves with a difficult out of conference schedule our not.
 
magic said:
Do you have any idea where one can find Baylor's schedule for next season? I am interested to find out whether they will be challenging themselves with a difficult out of conference schedule our not.
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I have not seen the schedule for next year. I am not sure if it has been released yet. But Mulkey is not one to shy away from a tough schedule. But I am not sure that either UCONN or Baylor will really be challenged.
 
easttexastrash said:
. NOBODY in the history of women's sports got shoved and pushed more than BG.



Guess you never watched TAURASI play. She was always covered with bruises. She was even clotheslined by Tenn player and nothing called. She was also taunted, although not for the same reasons as Griner, she dealt with it with humor and great play..
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meyers7 said:
The point was if she was better conditioned she would be able to work harder/longer (there's plenty of room for that) and not just have to rely on her natural ability/height. It's not a criticism but an observation of where she can improve. And hopefully she will get selected as the 12th player for the Olympics, where she will have to work harder/longer and not be able to rely on her natural ability/height.
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Improvement in conditioning is easier said than done. Brittney did just fine this year with her present state of conditioning. When you' re already dominating all your competitors, what is the incentive to get even better? Small conditioning improvements require large amounts of grueling, painful and boring effort. I think that's part of why Geno is successful. He forces his players to expend effort even when the need for it is not necessary or apparent. That way, when extra is needed in a game, the player isn't saying uh-oh I should have done more wind sprints.

And by the way, conditioning isn't limitless. Secretariat's heart was twice the size of the average race horse. Other horses could never do what he did regardless of how hard they trained.
 
easttexastrash said:
Go back and watch some footage of Kareem Abdul Jabbar, which to me, is the most comparable comparison. He cruised in a similar manner and was the greatest center in the history of the game. He had a way of standing back and watching the play develop, much as Griner does.

It is simply unrealistic to expect a 40 minute a game player to go as hard as she can all game long. She is very smart with the pacing of her energy.
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The whole game was played slower in those days. I have long said that physiology wise he is the most apt comparison for Brittney. She can go harder. She does not even go at Alcindor/Jabbar's pace.
 
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Bestiarius said:
Improvement in conditioning is easier said than done. Brittney did just fine this year with her present state of conditioning. When you' re already dominating all your competitors, what is the incentive to get even better? Small conditioning improvements require large amounts of grueling, painful and boring effort. I think that's part of why Geno is successful. He forces his players to expend effort even when the need for it is not necessary or apparent. That way, when extra is needed in a game, the player isn't saying uh-oh I should have done more wind sprints.
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The motivation is pride and the desire to be your best. Your description of Geno and UConn is exactly why they are tremendously conditioned athletes. They pay the price ever moment of every practice and are constantly discovering they can go harder longer than they ever thought possible. It is why KML loved the practices she saw as a recruit coming in and then discovered they were 10 times harder than she thought. It is why she celebrates Kelly who she notes never takes a moment off.
 
meyers7 said:
I think that was the point. If she was better conditioned (and she has improved her conditioning from her freshman year) she would be able to "zip" around the court, all game long.
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That is indeed the point. It is not a criticism of Brittney in any way. Great athletes are always looking for where they can improve their game. This is one opportunity I see for Griner.
 
Icebear said:
Did I say she was athletic I spoke of the conditioning job they have done. Athleticism is very different than conditioning. Watch film from her entry as a freshman and then watch her efort against ND at 5000 feet in Denver. There is no comparison. She and Brittney started in two completely different places athletically simply by luck of the gene pool.
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she looks the same to me... stomps around from one sid eof the court to the other, and is usually gassed before most media time outs. I'm just being honest. I do like that she has changed her attitude and isn't afraid of taking the jump shot, she should in fact, she's great at it. I also like that she is getting tougher in the low post, i just hope she can develop into a meaner and more aggressive low post presence like Charles did. If that happended, it wouldn't matter how fast she got to the other side of the court, she would bring so much swagger with her it would intimidate the opponent like Charles had.

I cheer for her to get more aggressive against the elite post players, instead of shying away... and letting them get the best of the post area, but she often lets me down. So maybe as a junior she will develop that more, and be more dangerous from the top of the post or free throw area.

dont mean to harm.
 
Buzzyboy said:
How can you compare Tina Charles at 6'3" to Griner who has such a distinct physical advantage over 99.9% of the women who have ever played basketball at any level. Giving up something like 5 inches is a massive amount. Another thing is that Griner had a chance to work with Geno over the summer and it was noted by her that his coaching had a big effect on her. To attribute all of her growth strictly to her coach or their staff is silly. Beyond that, she is like almost any person on the planet and that her body is maturing. Even a typical none athlete is physically stronger and has more dexterity in the years just past their being teenagers. Some of the stats aren't necessarily noteworthy. What was Tamika Williams field goal percentage over her career. Wasn't it something like 70% for her ENTIRE CAREER?????????????? I concede that she's gotten better but part of that is a natural maturation.
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considering how many points Griner has in her career, already, and the type of defenses she has had to battle, i say she is the best post player to date. and Why do people make Tina Charles one inch shorter everytime they compare her to Griner? ... I thought she was 6'4" and 198 like on the WNBA.com website and UCONN websites? ... hilarious when people try to defend her by making her so much smaller than Griner that it's a type of excuse.
 
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RadyLady said:
SHe is one tough cookie and I agree that she is terrifice and a clutch player. Was she up for the Lieberman award? She should have been (and won it, IMO)
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she lost the liberman award to Skylar Diggins.... maybe it had to do with being pretty? pouting during games? pouting after a loss? giving sore loser attitude to press during confrences? i wonder what made her the best point guard this year?

Sims has always played Skylar really hard everytime we played them and Baylor with Sims is 3-0 to Skylar and ND...

Sims defense is like no other. and she controlled most of the game... you think that a liberman award winner would be able to change the pace of the game or seize some control of it... not be nuetralized and lose in bad fashion...
 
sarals24 said:
I thought that award was based on number of Twitter followers...
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i think the lieberman award was announced on twitter... thats' so hilarious... it seems like a popularity contest to me... or beauty contest..

liebermann wasn't bad looking..? she admires pretty faces too?
 
meyers7 said:
I think that was the point. If she was better conditioned (and she has improved her conditioning from her freshman year) she would be able to "zip" around the court, all game long.
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lol dont use his words to hit him back in the face... what a bully... jk.
 
FairView said:
I am amazed at the outstanding conditioning of Boneyarders, who have the ability to go hard arguing the same points over and over for hours on end. We are marvels of modern science.
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that should be nominated for the post of the month.
 
Icebear said:
But she simply uses her pacing on the court to manage that. If she was in better condition she could assert herself harder and at a quicker pace. Too often I see her cruising. She relies on her dominance by size to make it work for her rather than really taking it to the opponent and kicking their butts. When I watch Stef vs watching Brittney I see and player working her butt off vs one relying on her talent to do the work. Tina did that all the time until Geno got through to her. If she was in better condition and motivated to the maximum effort every moment of every game she would dwarf even what she can do presently.

I do not expect you to agree with me I simply see so much more potential in her that is still untapped and I think the area of conditioning and maximum effoty every play is a key one. It is critique, not criticism.
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i think we need to consider what mulkey has mentioned before and worked with her in practices i've seen, which is not to give the defense a heads up of where in the post she is going to be. If she gets there too soon the post players afflict more hitting, scratching, pushing and shoving per possession. So she has to be efficient with her post position in order to take them more by surprise. She often has someone waiting for her there... so she has to beginning posting up in different spots and make it difficult for the defenders to know where she is going to be. She's also taught how to trick the defenders into thinking she isn't going to get the pass from the guards... or fake like she is receiving it and repost.. it's a long hard and rough process... but she seems to have the hang of it.

She is working on her feet... for better position as well.
 
Aluminny69 said:
I would like to add my two cents.

I am extremely grateful that UConn did not suffer any significant injuries this season. That doesn't happen very often, unfortunately. UConn trainers must be doing something right.
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i felt like the athleticism in the post was lacking this year for uconn, you could really use more of your athletic post players, Dolson got to be very predictable and often too tired by the end of the game to make a difference. I felt bad for Bria, Farris, and Hayes... they really worked hard and made such an effort to try to beat ND, but they were overmatched by the guards in NDs team.
 
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easttexastrash said:
Go back and watch some footage of Kareem Abdul Jabbar, which to me, is the most comparable comparison. He cruised in a similar manner and was the greatest center in the history of the game. He had a way of standing back and watching the play develop, much as Griner does.

It is simply unrealistic to expect a 40 minute a game player to go as hard as she can all game long. She is very smart with the pacing of her energy.
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and getting blocks is not an easy feat... you have to be quick and agile.. as to not body up the offensive player... which is hard to do...takes up lots of energy chasing around the post... those speedy guards try and try and try.... which is exhausting.
 
easttexastrash said:
what I do not see in Brittney is the mental force and compete every possession attitude that Geno and Cd are so good at bringing out of players, such as, Tina Charles. More than anything else that is what would make Brittney the most impossible player in the world to deal with.
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Completely agree, that's all I was trying to get at :)
 
easttexastrash said:
I watched Maya and she was not perpetual motion like Nneka. Nneka may be the best mover I have ever seen. However, it is much easier for a 6-0 guard like Maya to move more than a 6-8 center who wears a size 18 shoe. Also, NOBODY in the history of women's sports got shoved and pushed more than BG. You have to account for some of that when you discuss her fitness level. EDD got banged a lot in the Kansas game and it completely wore her out to the point where she had nothing to give toward the end of the game.

You have to compare apples to apples. You simply cannot compare the movement of a player with BG's size to that of a guard. That's like criticizing Kareem for not moving as well as Michael Jordan.
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it was funny... but all Kansas did in the KU and Delaware game was play the same defense they are use to playing against us... and make the rest of the team beat you. It was that simple... and it worked out. EDD is not the player of the year... neither is Nneka...
 
easttexastrash said:
The only injury that Baylor suffered was an ACL to Shanay Washington, who had 4 previous ACL tears. Hard to say that was a result of the Baylor training staff.
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that reminds of me of Doty....
 
easttexastrash said:
And for the record, I was not the one to bring Charles up in this discussion (see the below comment from post #17 below). I only responded to this statement.

what I do not see in Brittney is the mental force and compete every possession attitude that Geno and Cd are so good at bringing out of players, such as, Tina Charles. More than anything else that is what would make Brittney the most impossible player in the world to deal with.
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another point when it comes to attitude on the floor is Griner has tried to keep a cool calm demeaner on the floor so her opponents and taunting fans dont see that she is affected by their trash talk...

her freshman year she was completely affected by all the taunting and the constant pushing and fouling by the opponents and their taunting fans that it made her react.

Mulkey has worked on her being more calm and collected on the court, now that Griner has mature in that aspect Mulkey is working on bringing back the aggressive nature of Griner's abilities... as discussed many times by Mulkey.
 
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FairView said:
I am amazed at the outstanding conditioning of Boneyarders, who have the ability to go hard arguing the same points over and over for hours on end. We are marvels of modern science.
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We sit on our butts for hours at a time, typing away on trivial, nonsensical threads, just for that moment when a good thread appears, we are ready.
 

Taurasi play
FairView said:
I am amazed at the outstanding conditioning of Boneyarders, who have the ability to go hard arguing the same points over and over for hours on end. We are marvels of modern science.
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Classic...I cannot top this one...my conditioning is failing me.
 
Bestiarius said:
Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now!
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Not sure how the "Taurasi play" got into my post. I apparently started to post on one thing and switched to another. This looks to be caused by poor "mental conditioning."
 
easttexastrash said:
Not sure how the "Taurasi play" got into my post. I apparently started to post on one thing and switched to another. This looks to be caused by poor "mental conditioning."
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Just the result of post fatigue. :D You're no Griner.
 
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