Possible Big 12 Invite rumors

[CL82]

When?

I'd say now, August. There clearly is a split of the haves and have nots in college basketball. That split has been the P5 conferences and everyone else, but now we're starting to see even among the P5s there's more pressure for consolidation with the Pac 12 being the first apparent victims of that pressure. We need to be on the side of the "haves" to have an opportunity to be on the right side of future contraction.

 

[Stinger92860]

Nobody is denying that it's football driving the decision,

To me its not football, it’s the money…Now, I understand that football is driving the money, but if the BE could pay us $40M a year we would not look to leave.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

They're 8 miles apart and have been rivals forever lol. If the Big 12 goes to regional pods then UConn and Kansas almost certainly not be together.

Well, you said all leagues do it that way when the ACC does not.

Sure I can. As an indication that a league is on the wrong side of this deal I certainly can say that.

If the Big 12 is bad because teams left, boy I hope you're sitting down when you see what happened to the Big East teams.

 

[CL82]

They're 8 miles apart and have been rivals forever lol. If the Big 12 goes to regional pods then UConn and Kansas almost certainly not be together.

Yeah, but I could see the big 12 having "featured" games outside of the individual pods. Kansas – UConn would be a logical one.

 

[navery12]

They're 8 miles apart and have been rivals forever lol. If the Big 12 goes to regional pods then UConn and Kansas almost certainly not be together.

I'm not so sure that's the case, obviously a lot depends on who gets added but with the current 14 team rumors I'd think that would be 2 7 team pods.

The first 4 are obvious, but I'd think Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State are the logical 3 others to add while maintaining most of the current rivalries

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Sure I can. As an indication that a league is on the wrong side of this deal I certainly can say that.

You need to clarify the nonsense that you spewed in the above post.

Are you aware of the differences between what the SEC will pay when compared to what the B-12 pays?

For lack of a better expression, there's always a bigger fish. The SEC is an extremely bigger fish than the B-12 and the B-12 is a bigger fish than the BE.

 

[WestHartHusk]

They can forsee it, sure, but they sure as heck aren't rooting for it. It costs them more money for largely the same stuff they've already got the rights to!

They'd love to not have pro ratas in the contracts. But they have to. Why? Because if they say no, somebody else will agree to give it to them. And you can't not have either the SEC or Big Ten rights.

Yes.

These threads have really killed your brand, man.

 

[Fishy]

What he is saying should be taken seriously, because he's far from alone. Men's basketball fans, unless they also care about football, are having this reaction because, from a men's basketball perspective, leaving the Big East for the Big XII is not what you want. From that perspective, it's not what I want emotionally. Unfortunately, however, turning it down, even if you don't care about football, would require you to think the Big East is guaranteed to be a national player with the P-5 (or less) conferences going forward in hoops, and we can't count on that. I view the offer as one we probably have to take, but not one that will make me happier as a basketball fan in the short term.

And while I don't expect either conference to invite us, for all its issues (stuck in a bad contract that undervalues their schools compared to what the Big XII is getting and the fact that its TX--OK departure hasn't happened yet but will someday), I would still rather take an offer from the ACC than the Big XII for geographic, rivalry and like minded institution perspectives.

Personally, I don’t think we’re getting an invite either.

There’s basically 70 schools trying to run P5 athletic departments. All of 69 of them will be putting $42-65M in the bank in yearly payouts soon and one will be trying to do it on $4.66 per year.

We’re the last former power conference school standing on the banks. Half of the schools that were promoted actually leapfrogged us from a lower conference. We’re still here in large part because the state has a remarkable “can’t do” attitude with basically everything - those schools jumped us because they took their athletic departments more seriously than we do ours right now.

It’s kinda simple. Do we aspire to be Providence or do we actually want to be included when the power schools start to pull away. (Please, do not bother me with your fantasies that the Big East will get a magical unicorn pass when that happens.) The odds are that we already missed the bus and are fated to whatever, but if there’s one spot left…we need it.

And no, we’re not waiting for the Big Ten or ACC.

We spent too long running our AD like we were Rhode Island to ever think we’re Big Ten material in our lifetimes. Also, the AAU just invited six teams, but can’t do state U missed yet another bus because thinking small is our big idea. The ACC, if they have defections in ten years, will likely move en masse to the Big 12 instead of forming the eastern conference some here love to wish cast.

Anyway.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[superjohn]

They're 8 miles apart and have been rivals forever lol. If the Big 12 goes to regional pods then UConn and Kansas almost certainly not be together.

If UConn and Kansas are in the same conference they're going to play each other in conference twice a year.

 

[kobebeanbryant]

All this overt signaling makes me think we are being strung along to entice other schools to make a decision.

If it were a done deal for us I think it would be held much closer to the vest.

 

[CL82]

Seton Hall, Providence have fared better wince leaving Big East. Villanova won tie national championships .

I don't know about that. Seton Hall was pretty good under Carlesimo. As for Providence, they were nationally irrelevant in the Big East and they are still nationally irrelevant in the new biggest. Agree regarding Nova though.

 

[gsmooth]

All this overt signaling makes me think we are being strung along to entice other schools to make a decision.

If it were a done deal for us I think it would be held much closer to the vest.

that's what I think as well and businesslawyer said that as well. It's why I am typing a message like a broken record in my posts that say "the B12 extending an invite is no guarantee".

 

[The Yakk]

Just imagine how often we’ll see @kobe and how infrequently we’ll see @FriarJ.

And not a moment too soon given kobe was running out of digs towards us. He finally got one clever one across. I was betting against him being able to repeat. Guess I there’s a correlation between supporting a pathetic team and cleverness.

If Kobe cannot make the same trollish comment about UConn being in a mid-major conference for the 100th time, what does he have left to talk about?

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Its not a lateral move at worst for Basketball. LOL it is so much not a lateral move. You're a smart guy why can't you see that? There is so much more at play here because of who we are, who CT is as a state, who and what our University is. What makes our hoops program successful and what doesnt. Who our fans are. What they support and what they don't. There is so much more than KenPom conference ranking that goes into this, and what helps us as a program.

Like I said, everyone has to stop pretending this has anything to do with anything BUT Football, and if you don't like that comment take it up with Mr. Fanta.

This is about survival of the entire athletic department. I realize that within the preconceived notion that you are allowing to cloud your thought process the joy thing you see is "Playing in Big East good. Playing in Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas bad" but the reality is there are considerably better names, vastly superior brands and significantly more financial benefits to the B-12 than there was in the AAC. Comparing the AAC to the B-12 is similar to comparing the MAAC to the Big East.

If the coaching holds up its end of the bargain our men's basketball program will be able to succeed in the B-12 every bit as well as we would in the BE. The added exposure and resources will actually help in ways BE membership never could.

 

[Rico444]

Well, you said all leagues do it that way when the ACC does not.

If UConn joins the Big 12 there will be a minimum of 14 teams, which means there won't be a round robin. It'll be a dice roll as to whether or not they play Kansas more than once, and they have no history was Kansas and no regional connection. Maybe the Big 12 will force it in every year but there are plenty of other schools that would also want the home and home.

 

[The Yakk]

If we don’t play anymore, and I assume that will be the case you won’t see me. The crapping on the current BE by many has been too much for me after you were tossed a lifeline. I hate most of you now. To those that can just leave like gentlemen and ladies, bravo.

Who exactly tossed whom the lifeline?

 

[CL82]

All this overt signaling makes me think we are being strung along to entice other schools to make a decision.

If it were a done deal for us I think it would be held much closer to the vest.

I wonder about that, but it may be that things are proceeding out of sight. We shall see.

 

[superjohn]

I don't know about that. Seton Hall was pretty good under Carlesimo. As for Providence, they were nationally irrelevant in the Big East and they are still nationally irrelevant in the new biggest. Agree regarding Nova though.

You weren't following Big East basketball if you don't realize Seton Hall and Providence got better when the conference broke apart.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

LOL Im talking School allotment

If that's your measuring stick, how did we do with our allotment a few months later in Houston at the final four?

 

[Rico444]

I'm not so sure that's the case, obviously a lot depends on who gets added but with the current 14 team rumors I'd think that would be 2 7 team pods.

The first 4 are obvious, but I'd think Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State are the logical 3 others to add while maintaining most of the current rivalries

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I would guess Houston would be in our pod if they go that direction but otherwise yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they went that way. Still a roll of the dice though.

 

[superjohn]

If we don’t play anymore, and I assume that will be the case you won’t see me. The crapping on the current BE by many has been too much for me after you were tossed a lifeline. I hate most of you now. To those that can just leave like gentlemen and ladies, bravo.

Tossed a lifeline...

Good lord, get over yourself.

 

[Stinger92860]

If UConn joins the Big 12 there will be a minimum of 14 teams, which means there won't be a round robin. It'll be a dice roll as to whether or not they play Kansas more than once, and they have no history was Kansas and no regional connection. Maybe the Big 12 will force it in every year but there are plenty of other schools that would also want the home and home.

The end game has to be 16 teams. They add us to the Eastern section of the conference and they are done. They add Colorado, plus 2 more and they are coast to coast, with room to grow.

 

[Bongo Fury]

You would want to play KU. Saw them in 96 in Denver sweet 16. Their fan base with their traditions left a lasting impression on me. Unfortunately saw on visiting scoreboard something like Mstate 55 UConn 50 F. I was heartbroken.

 

[businesslawyer]

The end game has to be 16 teams. They add us to the Eastern section of the conference and they are done. They add Colorado, plus 2 more and they are coast to coast, with room to grow.

If we go, I wouldn't mind seeing a 16 team football conference with a 20 team basketball conference. Take Gonzaga, which is clearly in conversations, and then add Georgetown, 'Nova and St. Johns.

 

[Rico444]

If UConn and Kansas are in the same conference they're going to play each other in conference twice a year.

I certainly hope so, because that's one of the few things I'm looking forward to if this happens.

 

[bendm]

Yes. Big12 makes no sense . None. We will not chase mediocrity in Football to sacrifice the Best Basketball program in the country. If the Big12 is so great why did Texas and Oklahoma run?

BE$ > BIG12$$$$$$ > SEC$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[The Yakk]

The real question is...who does the Big East target to backfill UConn if we left?

Dayton? Do they really want another Ohio school?

St Louis? Barf

UMass? Could be interesting...

Temple? Would Nova allow that?

Memphis?

FAU?

They don't need to target anyone. After all, they "threw us a lifeline" which means they did not really need us.

 

[HuskyDogArt]

View attachment 88633This might end up being a great move, but looking at this map it’s not a slam dunk that this move will be good for our athletics other than the money.

Why do you say that? We can revive the CivilConFLiCT with UCF!!

I want to see how we can do in a real power conference.

 

[bendm]

I would guess Houston would be in our pod if they go that direction but otherwise yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they went that way. Still a roll of the dice though.

if you put houston in the eastern division you'd have to put either kansas or k st in the western division and separating them makes even less sense than not grouping the 4 texas schools in the same division