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Possible Big 12 Invite rumors

Big 12 Yea/ Nay

  • We got no choice

    Votes: 305 46.9%

  • Stay in the Big East

    Votes: 251 38.6%

  • Are we there yet?

    Votes: 94 14.5%
  • Total voters
    650
Kathy said:
Correct in 1979 - St John's, Syracuse, Georgetown, Boston College, UConn, Providence and Seton Hall - Rutgers and Holy Cross turned it down. Nova joined the next year.
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Nova had a seat at the table right at the beginning. Contractual obligations to the Eastern 8 prevented their teams from competing in the first year because they were required to give a year’s notice before exiting.
 
Kathy said:
Correct in 1979 - St John's, Syracuse, Georgetown, Boston College, UConn, Providence and Seton Hall - Rutgers and Holy Cross turned it down. Nova joined the next year.
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A version of the story is that Nova didn’t turn down the Big East invite, but had already committed to the Eastern Eight for the 79-80 season. Nova won the Eastern Eight in its last committed year then joined the Big East in its second season. Pitt followed Nova from the Eastern Eight a few years later.

Penn State was Eastern Eight, then withdrew for a year, then rejoined, then withdrew as it was trying to create a football conference. Penn State had rivalries that extended to animosity with both Cuse and Pitt. The Big East invite after Nova was between Pitt and Penn State, and the conference chose Pitt.
 
navery12 said:
USC and UCLA are in the Pacific time zone
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But they’re not in the B1G until 2024. And at that point, they’ll add a 3rd time zone. The B1G will not be in 4 time zones.

The claim (sarcastically) was that “the Big Ten is in 4 time zones and it’s absolutely killing them financially.” Being in 4 time zones had nothing to do with their financial success. Was not a factor one way or the other. They achieved it while in 2 time zones.
 
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Billy Jack said:
But they’re not in the B1G until 2024. And at that point, they’ll add a 3rd time zone. The B1G will not be in 4 time zones.

The claim (sarcastically) was that “the Big Ten is in 4 time zones and it’s absolutely killing them financially.” Being in 4 time zones had nothing to do with their financial success. Was not a factor one way or the other. They achieved it while in 2 time zones.
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This will be my last post to you before you go back on ignore where you belong, because you've made it clear for the last year plus you're just a troll and not a UConn fan.

Seeing as we're in a thread talking about Big 12 expansion and UConn, I can't imagine why I'd bring up USC and UCLA being in the Pacific time zone as part of B1G expansion. Sorry for that massive reach, I now understand the error of my ways
 
Billy Jack said:
Nova had a seat at the table right at the beginning. Contractual obligations to the Eastern 8 prevented their teams from competing in the first year because they were required to give a year’s notice before exiting.
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Never said Nova turned it down just they didn't join till the following year
Holy Cross and Rutgers turned it down
 
Billy Jack said:
At least it’s not in 3 time zones like the new Big XII.

And the Big East has only 3 members outside the Eastern time zone. The Big XII has only 3 members actually in the Eastern TZ - and none of those in the Northeast.
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You sure about that? WV has always been considered part of the northeast.

Which makes sense.

If Western Maryland and Western PA are a part of it, WV is a part of it.
 
upstater said:
You sure about that? WV has always been considered part of the northeast.

Which makes sense.

If Western Maryland and Western PA are a part of it, WV is a part of it.
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You can’t get there from anywhere. Ever try to fly to Morgantown?
 
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upstater said:
You sure about that? WV has always been considered part of the northeast.

Which makes sense.

If Western Maryland and Western PA are a part of it, WV is a part of it.
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Traditionally (no real political division):

New England: 6 states east and north of NY.

Northeast: New England + NY, NJ, PA

Mid Atlantic: NY, NJ, PA, MD, DE, WVA, VA

New England states are also part of the Northeast.

NY, NJ, and PA are part of both the Northeast and the Mid Atlantic.

WVA, MD, DE, and VA are part of both the Southeast (South of the Mason Dixon line) and the Mid Atlantic.
 
Zissou said:
Traditionally (no real political division):

New England: 6 states east and north of NY.

Northeast: New England + NY, NJ, PA

Mid Atlantic: NY, NJ, PA, MD, DE, WVA, VA

New England states are also part of the Northeast.

NY, NJ, and PA are part of both the Northeast and the Mid Atlantic.

WVA, MD, DE, and VA are part of both the Southeast (South of the Mason Dixon line) and the Mid Atlantic.
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Can you give me a link for that? I can give you many links for what I wrote.

You're breaking things down into sub-regions. Connecticut isn't Midatlantic. West Virginia is. West Virginia isn't New England, Connecticut is. Neither are in the southeast.

Both are in the northeast.
 
Billy Jack said:
One of the things I’m surprised not to see mentioned is the impact of travel through 2 time zones up to 2000 miles on student athletes.
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Yes, when an athlete's body crosses a "time zone" there is some kind of force field barrier that saps their purity of essence and makes them less effective competitors.

This is right up there with the cherry-picked stats you used to show that the reffing at PC's home games was perfectly fair.

Truly you are an analytical genius, BJ. Please keep it coming!
 
Zissou said:
Traditionally (no real political division):

New England: 6 states east and north of NY.

Northeast: New England + NY, NJ, PA

Mid Atlantic: NY, NJ, PA, MD, DE, WVA, VA

New England states are also part of the Northeast.

NY, NJ, and PA are part of both the Northeast and the Mid Atlantic.

WVA, MD, DE, and VA are part of both the Southeast (South of the Mason Dixon line) and the Mid Atlantic.
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When did anyone ever consider NY state as part of the mid-Atlantic?

I've been in the business world for more than forty years, for various reporting purposes I've seen the country segmented by corporations, the US government, third party consultants, research companies and various other sources and none has ever placed NY in the mid-Atlantic. Often the northern 1/3 of New Jersey is excluded.
 
Zissou said:
Don’t forget the ones we accepted from the Yankee Conference
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"We"? Last I checked Villanova was not a founding member of the original Big East. Just another add on we picked up along the way.
 
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Pros of joining the BIG12:
  • $30+ million in annual revenue
  • power football conference
  • better men’s bball conference
  • better women’s bball conference

Cons of joining BIG12:
  • increased travel times
  • loss of historic rivalries
 
upstater said:
Can you give me a link for that? I can give you many links for what I wrote.

You're breaking things down into sub-regions. Connecticut isn't Midatlantic. West Virginia is. West Virginia isn't New England, Connecticut is. Neither are in the southeast.

Both are in the northeast.
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I have never heard anyone say that West Virginia is in the Northeast. That is a real stretch you are making there.

Even PA is split between the Northeast and Great Lakes (Midwest) region even though the whole state is usually included in the Northeast region

No way is WV considered Northeast. WV is well accepted to be in the Southern United States and also part of the "Appalachia" region of the USA.
 
upstater said:
I guess it depends on what gov't site you're looking at.

www.dol.gov

Northeast Region

www.dol.gov www.dol.gov

If you're breaking it down into Northeast and Midatlantic, it's Midatlantic. If you just have Northeast, Southeast, Midwest, West, it's northeast. I've never seen it southeast
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yup. and apparently. as per your DOL list Puerto Rico is also in the Northeast. lol


c'mon... this is only for administrative purposes of the DOL. No one in their right mind believes WV is a Northeastern state
 
ecasadoSBU said:
I have never heard anyone say that West Virginia is in the Northeast. That is a real stretch you are making there.

Even PA is split between the Northeast and Great Lakes (Midwest) region even though the whole state is usually included in the Northeast region

No way is WV considered Northeast. WV is well accepted to be in the Southern United States and also part of the "Appalachia" region of the USA.
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PA is split between NE or Midwest? You're making crazy stuff up now; where do you get this stuff?

Appalachia runs north of where I live, and I live on the Canadian border.
 
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ecasadoSBU said:
yup. and apparently. as per your DOL list Puerto Rico is also in the Northeast. lol


c'mon... this is only for administrative purposes of the DOL. No one in their right mind believes WV is a Northeastern state
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Yeah, I read past that once I saw WV.

Fair to say it's included in midatlantic but not northeast.

I would say, however, that the school has been part of the northeast for a very long time, as it played a northeast football and basketball schedule, it joined the BE. Until it moved to the B12, where it is an outlier, it was considered a northeastern school, just an hour from the next nearest northeastern schools.
 
upstater said:
Yeah, I read past that once I saw WV.

Fair to say it's included in midatlantic but not northeast.

I would say, however, that the school has been part of the northeast for a very long time, as it played a northeast football and basketball schedule, it joined the BE. Until it moved to the B12, where it is an outlier, it was considered a northeastern school, just an hour from the next nearest northeastern schools.
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So adjacent to the Northeast
 
upstater said:
PA is split between NE or Midwest? You're making crazy stuff up now; where do you get this stuff?

Appalachia runs north of where I live, and I live on the Canadian border.
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Let me clarify:

No. PA as a whole is counted as a Northeastern state... essentially by everyone and all government institutions. No doubt there

But for some people (individuals that is) they may feel western PA is culturally part of the Great Lakes region more than it is of the Northeast. You can say that about western NY also.

But at the end of the day its all included in the Northeastern United States


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ANYWAY, UCONN PLEASE STAY IN THE BIG EAST!!!!!!!!!!
 
upstater said:
PA is split between NE or Midwest? You're making crazy stuff up now; where do you get this stuff?

Appalachia runs north of where I live, and I live on the Canadian border.
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Yeah, but there's a distinction between the Appalchian Mountain range and what's considered "culturally appalachian." Culturally Appalachian probably begins in PA or western MD. Lots of people consider its boundaries based on the map of the Appalachian Regional Commission, though that map includes parts of Alabama and Mississippi for stupid political reasons. West Virginia is the only state whose entirety is included in the ARC map. It's absolutely not Mid-Atlantic--it's Appalachian.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
When did anyone ever consider NY state as part of the mid-Atlantic?

I've been in the business world for more than forty years, for various reporting purposes I've seen the country segmented by corporations, the US government, third party consultants, research companies and various other sources and none has ever placed NY in the mid-Atlantic. Often the northern 1/3 of New Jersey is excluded.
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I'm not sure it still exists, but years ago there was a hospital organization called the Mid-Atlantic Hospital Assembly. It was comprised of hospitals from NY, NJ and PA and held its annual meeting every April in Atlantic City.
Not sure that's relevant but you asked and I felt compelled to deliver!
 
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