Perspective on KLS vs. Asia and Arike

[DefenseBB]

First, I must admit I am biased for KLS and any unwarranted criticism thrown her way irritates me.
Second, after reviewing the ND last night (and even the Tex AM-Mizzou game) I saw Arike was 4-16 and 1-6 in 3 pters, so I decided to look up hers, Asia Durr’s and KLS stats for a quick compare.
Below is the standard list of stats and I would love to see the more advanced stats of player values others know better than I do to get a more informed perspective of these players.
Third, I hope to provoke a more rational evaluation by some of my peers in here as their”critical eye” that they like to use, is usually misinformed, wrong or just play ignorant.

You are best judged by those of which you compete. ND, Louisville and UConn are expected to be good year in year out so I thought this set of comparisons on position, stature on their team and in the national consciousness of WCBB was logical. As always I want to hear from you.

Here’s the chart with the leader in each category highlighted.

 

[Shades]

I think FT’s are worth emphasizing.

 

[Vowelguy]

I haven’t seen much of Durr but fact is in the big game she performed lights out.

 

[PAHuskeyFan]

These stats make it hard to see AO as NPOY in any of the awards...especially when coupled with the other aspect of her game that no one talks about at parties.

 

[hoopsfan22]

Arike won a national semi-final and championship last season with her clutch shooting. She can go 0 for whatever after that, and no one at UConn has that unique ability to do what Arike can.

 

[PAHuskeyFan]

Arike won a national semi-final and championship last season with her clutch shooting. She can go 0 for whatever after that, and no one at UConn has that unique ability to do what Arike can.

True AO did make 2 miracle shots, LAST year... but that was then. She stunk up the gym in Miami last night, and other games this year.. and her stats this year are not good compared to NPOY standards.

 

[npignatjr]

2 tremendous clutch miracle shots, which every time, of the it seems thousands of times, ESPN replays brings up real memories of 3 terribly officiated games. The last non call cost MSST the chance to win the NC. That non call was as egregious as the non call in the Saints Rams game a few weeks ago.

 

[Vowelguy]

2 tremendous clutch miracle shots,

It's amazing that a TV network would hype two exciting buzzing-beating shots. They wanted to go with the montage of the players shooting airballs and throwing the ball out of bounds, but sent the wrong tape to the broadcast crew.

 

[Grad1990]

ESPN replays brings up real memories of 3 terribly officiated games. The last non call cost MSST the chance to win the NC. That non call was as egregious as the non call in the Saints Rams game a few weeks ago.

Absolutely! Arike never should have had the chance to take that shot! Notre Dame has the championship trophy. But they didn't "win" the game. The refs handed it to them.

1:54 on the linked video:




It will be interesting to see how the three stack up in the WNBA draft. Katie is a special shooter, but Durr is special shot maker with a defender(s) in her face. Durr gets the nod. The downside for Durr and Arike is their lack of ability to be team players. I think Durr can overcome that....not so sure about Arike.

 

[Orangutan]

True AO did make 2 miracle shots, LAST year... but that was then. She stunk up the gym in Miami last night, and other games this year.. and her stats this year are not good compared to NPOY standards.

The shot against UConn wasn't really a miracle at all. It was a basic pull-up jumper. She's made that shot dozens of times in her college career.

As to the rest of your post, not disputing she is short of NPOY standards this year. I think if you polled the ND board, the consensus would be that Young is ND's best player.

I just don't see what's so miraculous about hitting a long two. Collier took a step back anticipating a drive so Arike pulled up for a jumper. It's ordinary stuff.

 

[EricSD]

FWIW, I would take Durr over KLS, and it's not that close. Also, I would take KLS over Ogunbowale, and it's not really close either.

Durr shoots about the same % as Lou from beyond the arc and is quicker and a better defender of guards. She also can create her own shot, something Lou can't really do. Don't get me wrong - Lou is much better than when she came to UCONN - a complete player in every way, but I think Durr will be able to do more in the WNBA.

Arike on the other hand - if I'm Bill Lambier I will probably love her. Other than that, just don't care for how she "plays" the game, and that goes for her extra-curriculars on the court.

Of course, I'm not a WNBA GM, nor am I an expert evaluator of talent. I know you can't just look at the numbers, but that's mainly why I'd pass on Arike.

 

[mbr33ct]

All the rage on the Boneyard seems to be the "new" and improved stats known as "Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 and so on"....which if I understand these "Tier's" correctly they show how week UConn's wins are against the AAC and therefore not deserving as the higher rankings/seeds.

EDIT: if I had a sarcasm emoji I would have used it here.

 

[Grad1990]

All the rage on the Boneyard seems to be the "new" and improved stats known as "Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 and so on"....which if I understand these "Tier's" correctly they show how week UConn's wins are against the AAC and therefore not deserving as the higher rankings/seeds.

EDIT: if I had a sarcasm emoji I would have used it here.

A deliberate attempt to antagonize Huskies Fans?

Ponder this "tier": In the last 7 years UConn WB has had more victories against top ten ranked programs then the next three best programs combined.

 

[mbr33ct]

A deliberate attempt to antagonize Huskies Fans?

Ponder this "tier": In the last 7 years UConn WB has had more victories against top ten ranked programs then the next three best programs combined.

You don't read sarcasm?

 

[DefenseBB]

FWIW, I would take Durr over KLS, and it's not that close. Also, I would take KLS over Ogunbowale, and it's not really close either.

Durr shoots about the same % as Lou from beyond the arc and is quicker and a better defender of guards. She also can create her own shot, something Lou can't really do. Don't get me wrong - Lou is much better than when she came to UCONN - a complete player in every way, but I think Durr will be able to do more in the WNBA.

Arike on the other hand - if I'm Bill Lambier I will probably love her. Other than that, just don't care for how she "plays" the game, and that goes for her extra-curriculars on the court.

Of course, I'm not a WNBA GM, nor am I an expert evaluator of talent. I know you can't just look at the numbers, but that's mainly why I'd pass on Arike.

Not sure any of the metrics really support your hypothesis to be honest. Maybe Durr is more capable of creating her own shot or maybe Louisville runs more plays to get her shots. As far as defensively, we can agree Durr is slightly quicker but overall her defense is behind KLS, Steals are the same, KLS has more blocks and much more defensive rebounds.
Arike has one unique skill way above Asia or KLS and its her driving ability to get to the free throw line. She has another unique skill that shall go unmentioned by me.
Durr and KLS are close in skills with KLS having a tad higher acumen based on the fact she always takes the ball out of bounds on key plays to hit the right player and with lower turnovers than both Asia or Arike.
And remember, if you protest too much on this thread, you risk a cancellation of your UConn fandom!

 

[Grad1990]

You don't read sarcasm?

You got me.....but I didn't interpret it as sarcastic. But rather, as stating the obvious (this year). While you may have intended it to be sarcastic, imo it is very close to the truth.

 

[shiverz45]

True AO did make 2 miracle shots, LAST year... but that was then. She stunk up the gym in Miami last night, and other games this year.. and her stats this year are not good compared to NPOY standards.

The shot against UConn was far from a miracle. It was basic pull up jumper she probably hit a thousand times. I thought the one against MSU was kind of lucky.

 

[Shades]

Of course, I'm not a WNBA GM, nor am I an expert evaluator of talent. I know you can't just look at the numbers, but that's mainly why I'd pass on Arike.

I’d pass on her with a high pick. I want Minnesota to pass on her with the #6 pick.... especially considering you can get a thrift store version of Ogunbowale with a great attitude in Cierra Dillard in the second round.

 

[bbballfan23]

Durr is the clear favorite this year among Lou & Arike when talking about POY. Yes, Lou’s numbers are comparable but let’s face the facts, she feasts against lesser competition with leak out layups. She hasn’t shown up in any big game this year from a NPOY standard. She can possibly play her way back into All-American status but still has work to do. She’s more than capable of that.

All 3 leave a lot to be desired from a defensive standpoint. Durr is the best on-ball defender of all 3 but that’s not saying much.

 

[Oldbones]

And, David Tyree will never have to pay for a drink within 75 miles of NYC. (Sorry, Pats fans)
Super Bowl XLII: David Tyree's helmet catch

 

[Oldbones]

These stats make it hard to see AO as NPOY in any of the awards...especially when coupled with the other aspect of her game that no one talks about at parties.

But she sure knows how to get to the Free Throw line!

 

[npignatjr]

Durr is the clear favorite this year among Lou & Arike when talking about POY. Yes, Lou’s numbers are comparable but let’s face the facts, she feasts against lesser competition with leak out layups. She hasn’t shown up in any big game this year from a NPOY standard. She can possibly play her way back into All-American status but still has work to do. She’s more than capable of that.

All 3 leave a lot to be desired from a defensive standpoint. Durr is the best on-ball defender of all 3 but that’s not saying much.

KLS against teams projected to make the tournament is 44-84

 

[Los24]

I follow womens college but not the WNBA. The thing that sticks out for me about Lou regarding next level is that she seems to be the best player when playing with other superbly talented players. The best example is her freshman year and by the end of year she had not only fit right in but flourished. I am bias but I think she is one of the best passers in terms of getting the ball to the player at the right time. This year there have been numerous times she was open and did not get a timely pass. Both of these attributes will be important to getting floor time and fitting into the chemistry of whatever team she goes. Lastly, her FG% numbers are comparable to the others, but she is in a massive slump tgis year and her upside accuracy has already been proved by leading the nation in 3pt% last year. So in a prostyle offense I believe she can be as dangerous as either Asia or Arike.

That said I can see why Asia would be selected ahead of Lou but depends on team needs.

 

[CajunHusky]

True AO did make 2 miracle shots, LAST year... but that was then. She stunk up the gym in Miami last night, and other games this year.. and her stats this year are not good compared to NPOY standards.

why does no one talk defense? AO is terrible at defense. If Geno were her coach AO would be a yoyo.

 

[PAHuskeyFan]

The shot against UConn was far from a miracle. It was basic pull up jumper she probably hit a thousand times. I thought the one against MSU was kind of lucky.

Given the situation, the time of the game, and a taller defender on her (Pheesa) it was kind of a "miracle" shot. One of 2 that ESPN went stop showing... in the old days they were on tape and we could hope the tape would wear out.

 

[bbballfan23]

Given the situation, the time of the game, and a taller defender on her (Pheesa) it was kind of a "miracle" shot. One of 2 that ESPN went stop showing... in the old days they were on tape and we could hope the tape would wear out.

she hit a bigger one 2 nights later so thankfully they show that one more.

 

['nuff sed]

Not sure any of the metrics really support your hypothesis to be honest. Maybe Durr is more capable of creating her own shot or maybe Louisville runs more plays to get her shots. As far as defensively, we can agree Durr is slightly quicker but overall her defense is behind KLS, Steals are the same, KLS has more blocks and much more defensive rebounds.
Arike has one unique skill way above Asia or KLS and its her driving ability to get to the free throw line. She has another unique skill that shall go unmentioned by me.
Durr and KLS are close in skills with KLS having a tad higher acumen based on the fact she always takes the ball out of bounds on key plays to hit the right player and with lower turnovers than both Asia or Arike.
And remember, if you protest too much on this thread, you risk a cancellation of your UConn fandom!

Maybe Durr is more capable of creating her own shot

Maybe ??? Ya think ???

The claim that Durr is not a team player is ridiculous....she's their best option and has the ability to carry that team. The other 2 can't say that.

Luv KLS but she was the glorification of a role player her 1st 2 years, last year hurt, and this year is really her biggest jump in development. She can't just snipe uncontested from 3 and be considered POY material. I said before that as good as she is , she still has a rather high upside from here. Moreso than the other 2, but the rest of her game has to show.

But ya gotta be honest...she does not create her own space, and struggles with quality defensive pressure.

Durr gets her shots off every time.

 

[bbballfan23]

Maybe Durr is more capable of creating her own shot

Maybe ??? Ya think ???

The claim that Durr is not a team player is ridiculous....she's their best option and has the ability to carry that team. The other 2 can't say that.

Luv KLS but she was the glorification of a role player her 1st 2 years, last year hurt, and this year is really her biggest jump in development. She can't just snipe uncontested from 3 and be considered POY material. I said before that as good as she is , she still has a rather high upside from here. Moreso than the other 2, but the rest of her game has to show.

But ya gotta be honest...she does not create her own space, and struggles with quality defensive pressure.

Durr gets her shots off every time.

BY rips on Lou for 2 straight weeks but then she has a big game against ECU which was by far the worst team we’ve played this season & all of the sudden she should be POY over Durr

Can we just find a middle ground?? She’s a great player & has been great for our program. A deserving 2-time AA but not a NPOY candidate. I’d be happy with her winning FF MOP over anything else!

 

[SVCBeercats]

First, I must admit I am biased for KLS...

Is this a reason to compare the second best UCONN player with Arike and Asia. Why not compare them with UCONN's best player, Collier?

 

['nuff sed]

Is this a reason to compare the second best UCONN player with Arike and Asia. Why not compare them with UCONN's best player, Collier?

Because they can't bring themselves to do that. They just can't.

It's not fair, they probably know it, but they can't help it ---- the potion they're drinking is just too powerful

This is the daughter they all dreamed of having.

Same socio-ec background + highly skilled+ girl next door image + coached on her shot by her father !

Reason get tossed out the window --- then they band together in a club for unlimited confirmation bias.

It's more of a religion than fan base.