Patriots release Hernandez

[intlzncster]

But how often do you hear about them? I can't name 3 NBA players that I can remember that's been arrested without researching it.


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There's been a number, but also, look at the difference in shear number of players. 15 on a basketball team? There's maybe 400 different players per season in the NBA?

There are around 60 on football team if you count practice players. Then include all the guys who shuffle in and out over the course of the year. The NFL has something like 2,000 players in the league each season (not all active or signed at the same time). And the average career is what 3.5 years or something? So there's a ton of turnover.

Also, it's there job to 'kill' guys on the field. The sport glorifies aggression, power, and physicality like no other.

Apples and oranges imo.

 

[Scoe]

The Nets Johnson shotgun murder comes to mind. His limo driver or something like that. Might have been manslaughter.

Yep and the Kobe case, bottom line murder exists in anytime anywhere and in any profession.

 

[intlzncster]

It's impossible to know what would happened had he stuck to UConn. But it is obvious the SEC fosters a gang mentality (if you already aren't in one) and Edsall was one tough disciplinarian. It really is unfortunate AH lost his father when he did. But he also had tens of millions of reasons to be grateful.

Heh? SEC fosters a gang mentality? Where'd you get that. Maybe for a few select schools. But not on the whole.

 

[intlzncster]

NBA doesn't have as many psychotic, steroid abusing sociopaths as the NFL. Completely untrue.


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As I said before, the NBA has a whole lot less players. They also don't develop concussions at the rate of NFL guys, cause questionable mental behavior (something which as finally been brought into the light recently). Note, I'm not saying concussions had anything to do with AH.

 

[StoweD210]

The Nets Johnson shotgun murder comes to mind. His limo driver or something like that. Might have been manslaughter.

Jason (or Jayson) Williams? Not the 'Jason Williams' from Duke or Florida. I believe he went to a BE school, maybe St. Johns.

From what I remember, he was a gun enthusiast who wasn't particularly careful with them. There was a story where he almost blew Wayne Chrebet's head off because he wasn't paying attention where he was aiming and who was around him.

With the limo driver's murder, Williams may have accidentally shot him, but then tried to cover it up by claiming the driver came in and decided to commit suicide. He would have been in trouble either way, but made things worse by making up the suicide story.

 

[Adios]

Heh? SEC fosters a gang mentality? Where'd you get that. Maybe for a few select schools. But not on the whole.

I meant the elite programs. I doubt Vanderbilt's football team is tearing Nashville down.

 

[sportsart]

Jason (or Jayson) Williams? Not the 'Jason Williams' from Duke or Florida. I believe he went to a BE school, maybe St. Johns.

From what I remember, he was a gun enthusiast who wasn't particularly careful with them. There was a story where he almost blew Wayne Chrebet's head off because he wasn't paying attention where he was aiming and who was around him.

With the limo driver's murder, Williams may have accidentally shot him, but then tried to cover it up by claiming the driver came in and decided to commit suicide. He would have been in trouble either way, but made things worse by making up the suicide story.

You're right on. I guess this would be different than the AH case.

His guilty plea to an aggravated assault charge closes the book on a case that took eight years to resolve and brought only a measure of justice that the Christofi family had been seeking.

Williams was facing retrial for a more serious charge - reckless manslaughter - for accidentally killing the 55-year-old driver.

There was no immediate reaction from Christofi's family.

In November, the driver's disgusted sister told the Daily News that the plea deal then being considered - three years in prison - was an insult to her dead brother.
"He should be doing a lot more than that," Andrea Adams said at the time. "He's been out free for seven years. Right now, I'm sort of numb. I mean, it hurts."
Williams was acquitted in 2004 on aggravated manslaughter and convicted of cover-up charges. The jury deadlocked on reckless manslaughter. And the case had been in legal limbo ever since.

Christofi had been hired by Williams to drive his guests back to New Jersey after a Harlem Globetrotters game.
Witnesses said Williams had been drinking and was showing off a shotgun when it went off and blasted Christofi in the chest.

Investigators said Williams then placed the gun in Christofi's hands and asked everybody in the room to lie about what happened.
Williams insisted the shooting was an accident and in 2003 he shelled out $2.75 million to settle a wrongful civil death suit.

Since then, Williams has been haunted by the tragedy while his own life has spiralled out of control


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ex-net-jayson-williams-pleads-guilty-fatal-shooting-driver-faces-minimum-18-months-jail-article-1.199739#ixzz2XNobC5Rn

 

[traitor71]

 

[intlzncster]

Jason (or Jayson) Williams? Not the 'Jason Williams' from Duke or Florida. I believe he went to a BE school, maybe St. Johns.

From what I remember, he was a gun enthusiast who wasn't particularly careful with them. There was a story where he almost blew Wayne Chrebet's head off because he wasn't paying attention where he was aiming and who was around him.

With the limo driver's murder, Williams may have accidentally shot him, but then tried to cover it up by claiming the driver came in and decided to commit suicide. He would have been in trouble either way, but made things worse by making up the suicide story.

Plus there was Gilby Arenas and Javaris Crittenton playing at guns & gambling in the locker room. Yeah, nothing happened, but that's pretty stupid behavior right there.

 

[intlzncster]

I meant the elite programs. I doubt Vanderbilt's football team is tearing Nashville down.

Hah, you're right. I went there. The football players all went to class. And we sucked.

 

[CAHUSKY]

That's a weird stat. I can't remember as many NBA arrests as I do the NFL.


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An 8 year old NBA list but impressive nonetheless. Assume there have been a lot more since then:

http://sports-law.blogspot.com/2005/07/nba-players-that-get-in-trouble-with_20.html

Up to date NFL police botter also hard to believe:

http://www.utsandiego.com/nfl/arres...revPageID=&cpipage=1&CPISortType=&CPIorderBy=

 

[Husky25]

Do you believe Ray Lewis deserved another chance?


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I think the answer to your question is self evident from my original statement. My belief is not limited to celebrities and athletes. It generally applies to the entire population, but using if you want me to use Lewis as an example, that's okay too.

Lewis put himself in a bad situation and was on trial for Murder. He subsequently was offered a deal for his cooperation and took it. Lewis was sentenced, served it, and appears to have learned from his faulty judgment, while going on to have a productive career in the NFL. Make no mistake, Lewis was not a victim and this philosophy does not take into account the true victims, harshly or not. Lewis was afforded a second chance be those with the power and authority to put him away and they didn't for whatever reason. If you believe he was guilty of Murder or that the sentence was too lenient, then take it up with the prosecutor for offering the deal and the judge for accepting it (He doesn't have to), not Lewis.

He got a second chance and made the most of it and I do not begrudge him of that. Contrast that with Lawrence Philips (Chance after chance after chance), Pac Man Jones (Continually put himself in compromising situations) , or Maurice Clarrett (no more needs to be said about him).

 

[intlzncster]

Make no mistake, Lewis was not a victim and this philosophy does not take into account the true victims, harshly or not. Lewis was afforded a second chance be those with the power and authority to put him away and they didn't for whatever reason. If you believe he was guilty of Murder or that the sentence was too lenient, then take it up with the prosecutor for offering the deal and the judge for accepting it (He doesn't have to), not Lewis.

He got a second chance and made the most of it and I do not begrudge him of that.

I agree wholeheartedly with this, and I'm one who thinks RL a . But if the law, and those who execute it, pass on judgement, no one can hold it against the guy, outside of opinion alone (except the victim's family of course). Blame prosecution, lawyers and law enforcement. You don't have to like it, but that is our system.

That said, I think the NFL should have taken a harsher stance. I've no doubt they would have, were Goodell commissioner at the time. I rip Goodell a lot, for his harshness of on the field 'transgressions', but I applaud anything he tries to do with off the field stuff.

 

[hthusky74]

When it rains, it pours: http://www.courant.com/news/breakin...lling-myfoxbostoncom-20130627,0,3288901.story

 

[J187Money]

Interesting:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-t...s-of-the-patriots-releasing-aaron-hernandez-2

The Patriots can try to recoup some of the money owed to Hernandez, but it's unlikely to prevent the deal from hitting their salary cap. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport noted that Hernandez's contract does not contain any "failure to perform" clauses that would allow the Patriots to skip out on paying him the remaining $3.25 million due from his signing bonus or his guaranteed base salaries in 2013 ($1.32 million) and 2014 ($1.14 million). According to Rapoport, most Patriots contracts contain such a clause, but Hernandez's deal only holds that to be the case in terms of his workout bonuses, which should save the Patriots a mere $82,000 in 2013 and $500,000 in 2014. The only way the Patriots could save more money would be if another team signed Hernandez, with their payments offsetting some or all of the money the Patriots were otherwise due to pay him.

- with all of his prior "issues" how in the world couldn't they get any protection in his deal. I want his agent.

 

[intlzncster]

Interesting:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-t...s-of-the-patriots-releasing-aaron-hernandez-2

The Patriots can try to recoup some of the money owed to Hernandez, but it's unlikely to prevent the deal from hitting their salary cap. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport noted that Hernandez's contract does not contain any "failure to perform" clauses that would allow the Patriots to skip out on paying him the remaining $3.25 million due from his signing bonus or his guaranteed base salaries in 2013 ($1.32 million) and 2014 ($1.14 million). According to Rapoport, most Patriots contracts contain such a clause, but Hernandez's deal only holds that to be the case in terms of his workout bonuses, which should save the Patriots a mere $82,000 in 2013 and $500,000 in 2014. The only way the Patriots could save more money would be if another team signed Hernandez, with their payments offsetting some or all of the money the Patriots were otherwise due to pay him.

- with all of his prior "issues" how in the world couldn't they get any protection in his deal. I want his agent.

The NFL can rule case by case in special circumstances though. If the player in question violates the leagues personal conduct policy, the NFL can overrule.

If the Patriots contacted the NFL (privately) before cutting AH, they might have worked something out via handshake in this regard.

 

[Husky25]

The NFL can rule case by case in special circumstances though. If the player in question violates the leagues personal conduct policy, the NFL can overrule.

If the Patriots contacted the NFL (privately) before cutting AH, they might have worked something out via handshake in this regard.

Exactly. All due respect to Ian Rappaport, but it not like Hernandez was cut because he got hurt or performance. The guy will likely be in prison. The NFL has a case-by-case precedent when it comes to personal conduct, and it was likely set up like that on purpose.

 

[intlzncster]

Exactly. All due respect to Ian Rappaport, but it not like Hernandez was cut because he got hurt or performance. The guy will likely be in prison. The NFL has a case-by-case precedent when it comes to personal conduct, and it was likely set up like that on purpose.

Yeah, I've got a good feeling that the NFL is going to want to erase Aaron Hernandez from it's books permanently ASAP. If he's convicted, wonder how the union will fight this one.

 

[hthusky74]

I was wondering if he will get to be roommates with Whitey Bulger or the Marathon Bomber. Those guys are on federal raps so I think it is unlikely.

 

[Jax Husky]

I was wondering if he will get to be roommates with Whitey Bulger or the Marathon Bomber. Those guys are on federal raps I think so it is unlikely.

IDK, Hernandez has seemingly committed crimes that may cross state lines