Pairwise

[huskymedic]

Another opinion:



Allentown Region
1. Maine
2. Connecticut
3. Penn State
4. Quinnipiac

The final two teams into the field were 13 Quinnipiac and 12 Penn State. The first two teams left out were 15 Michigan and 16 Arizona State.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I do like that one. I have no clue as to how far we will go but I personally believe it would serve us better if we didn't have to go through both Quinnipiac and Maine to advance.

 

[The Viking]

We hadn't beat Quinnipiac in a million years. Now it looks like we have to beat them twice in a few months to advance. Crazy.

 

[businesslawyer]

I’m not a hockey expert at all, but if we’re playing in Allentown, and Q and PSU are roughly equivalent, wouldn’t we prefer to play Q in front of a neutral crowd than PSU in front of a partisan one? Or is crowd support less of a factor in hockey than hoops and pigskin?

 

[FfldCntyFan]

BL, there's quite a bit of merit to that.

I just believe that with our track record against Q, that Maine may feel they still have a bit of a score to settle with how well we performed against them in conference play and the overall familiarity the two have with us, we may be better served if we won't need to go through both to advance.

 

[RSTuthill]

I do like that one. I have no clue as to how far we will go but I personally believe it would serve us better if we didn't have to go through both Quinnipiac and Maine to advance.

I think that Penn State is a much bigger threat than either Maine or QU. The B1G teams are all good and one reason they do not have higher Pairwise rankings is that they beat up on each other a lot. But in any event, this is still a good bracket for UConn. I have seen QU play, and they are dangerous too. But not quite at Maine's level I would think.

 

[RSTuthill]

I’m not a hockey expert at all, but if we’re playing in Allentown, and Q and PSU are roughly equivalent, wouldn’t we prefer to play Q in front of a neutral crowd than PSU in front of a partisan one? Or is crowd support less of a factor in hockey than hoops and pigskin?

No, you raise a good point. Crowd is a big deal in hockey too. And PSU are dangerous even without a home crowd.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I think that Penn State is a much bigger threat than either Maine or QU. The B1G teams are all good and one reason they do not have higher Pairwise rankings is that they beat up on each other a lot. But in any event, this is still a good bracket for UConn. I have seen QU play, and they are dangerous too. But not quite at Maine's level I would think.

I won't argue as I do not follow this as closely as most on the hockey forum.

I do have one question as there appears to be a disconnect:

If the B1G doesn't have a higher pairwise because they have been beating up on each other, why didn't the same happen to Hocket East?

 

[RSTuthill]

I won't argue as I do not follow this as closely as most on the hockey forum.

I do have one question as there appears to be a disconnect:

If the B1G doesn't have a higher pairwise because they have been beating up on each other, why didn't the same happen to Hocket East?

The top teams in HE play 5 teams in HE that are outside the top 16 in the pairwise this year. The top teams in B1G play only two teams that are. And I think (but have not checked) that B1G teams play each other 4 times and in HE it is 3, right? The B1G are also all bigtime football schools and have tons of NIL available too.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

The top teams in HE play 5 teams in HE that are outside the top 16 in the pairwise this year. The top teams in B1G play only two teams that are. And I think (but have not checked) that B1G teams play each other 4 times and in HE it is 3, right? The B1G are also all bigtime football schools and have tons of NIL available too.

From what you just described it would be more difficult for Hockey East to benefit than for the B1G.

 

[RSTuthill]

From what you just described it would be more difficult for Hockey East to benefit than for the B1G.

A larger portion of the in conference schedule is easier for the good HE teams than for the good teams of the B1G. Also, the OOC schedule games for HE are usually against eastern ECAC and AHA teams and they are weaker than NCHC and CCHA teams (who provide most of the B1G OOC opponents) as a rule.

Btw, Penn State's journey to D-1 and the B1G is quite interesting. UConn used to play them in the AHA. But before that they had an awesome club team that used to draw thousands to their games in State College. Then a benefactor came along and gave something like $100 million. Owner of the Sabres as I recall. Terry Pegula.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

If anything, facing stronger competition should benefit pairwise rankings. That's where the disconnect is.

 

[RSTuthill]

If anything, facing stronger competition should benefit pairwise rankings. That's where the disconnect is.

But not if the result is more loses. I dunno, it's a moot point. There is no denying that Penn State are dangerous.

 

[huskymedic]

 

[businesslawyer]

A larger portion of the in conference schedule is easier for the good HE teams than for the good teams of the B1G. Also, the OOC schedule games for HE are usually against eastern ECAC and AHA teams and they are weaker than NCHC and CCHA teams (who provide most of the B1G OOC opponents) as a rule.

Btw, Penn State's journey to D-1 and the B1G is quite interesting. UConn used to play them in the AHA. But before that they had an awesome club team that used to draw thousands to their games in State College. Then a benefactor came along and gave something like $100 million. Owner of the Sabres as I recall. Terry Pegula.

Your facts don’t combine with how RPI and Pairwise work to support your conclusion. The Big Ten might be “tougher” in your head, but computers looking at the totality of every team’s OOC results disagree. Doesn’t mean you’re wrong but guess where the smart money is?

 

[RSTuthill]

Wow, I am blown away that the Committee arbitrarily pushed PSU down below QU. It must have been that they were slightly below 0.500. But that is an abandonment of the Pairwise as a ranking tool.

 

[RSTuthill]

Your facts don’t combine with how RPI and Pairwise work to support your conclusion. The Big Ten might be “tougher” in your head, but computers looking at the totality of every team’s OOC results disagrees. Doesn’t mean you’re wrong but guess where the smart money is?

It is simple mathematics. But someone posted here that this would happen. I want to know how he knew that.

 

[huskymedic]

Wow, I am blown away that the Committee arbitrarily pushed PSU down below QU. It must have been that they were slightly below 0.500. But that is an abandonment of the Pairwise as a ranking tool.

? Final Pairwise:

USCHO View

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

the committee did not push PSU below QU

 

[Patman]

Wow, I am blown away that the Committee arbitrarily pushed PSU down below QU. It must have been that they were slightly below 0.500. But that is an abandonment of the Pairwise as a ranking tool.

Simple. Math.

 

[SubbaBub]

Q moved ahead of PSU after Cornell won the ECAC. I'm sure it's some third level math deep inside the formula. They were only separated by 0.001 before that. The committee had almost nothing to decide once all the results were in.

 

[RSTuthill]

Q moved ahead of PSU after Cornell won the ECAC. I'm sure it's some third level math deep inside the formula. They were only separated by 0.001 before that. The committee had almost nothing to decide once all the results were in.

Yeah, a third order effect. Cornell beating Clarkson increased Q's strength of schedule. But this morning when I got up I am almost sure they they were still listed as 13. Bizarre.

Hey, I would rather UConn play Q. The devil you know rather than the devil that you don't, and all that.

 

[SubbaBub]

I'd prefer our opponents underestimating the film. I'm sure a number of midwestern schools were hoping we'd land in their bracket but I could live with a UConn/PSU regional final. Both Q an UM are going to be a war.

 

[Patman]

I'd prefer our opponents underestimating the film. I'm sure a number of midwestern schools were hoping we'd land in their bracket but I could live with a UConn/PSU regional final. Both Q an UM are going to be a war.

no coach in this game is going to underweight UConn. This isn't the atlantic hockey games where they were putting delayed penalty goals in their own net while on the power play or losing 9-2 to BGSU at home

 

[powerplay]

No, you raise a good point. Crowd is a big deal in hockey too. And PSU are dangerous even without a home crowd.

The HE Championship game was more or less a home game for Maine, without an actual count, I'm estimating they outnumbered us 5-1.