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I don't see how Colorado is in. Beat nobody in OOC. Their win over UCLA is losing value by the week. After starting 2-0 in conference they have gone 1-6. It's just not a Tourney worthy resume. Utah seems pretty doubtful as well. Their best win is...Colorado?
 
Wow. Crazy ending to the ASU-OSU game. Two-point game with 17 seconds left and Scott Reuck draws two technicals and gets ejected. Disagreed I guess with a call but a really crazy thing to do with the game on the line Taya Hansen hit six straight free throws and the Devils end up winning by 10.

Jade Loville scored 31 for the Devils and the ASU effort was outstanding. In the post game show Jeff Munn said there's a history of bad blood between the two programs and implied that it extended to the two coaches. In any event a head scratcher at the conclusion. Munn did indicate that earlier in the week Reuck had signed a contract extension so maybe he felt like celebrating?
 
Agree that Colorado is a bubble team. Surprisingly, Utah is #17 Net and #28 Massey.
 
dabears17 said:
Creme's bracketology has Utah, Colorado, and Washington State making the tournament. Washington State just beat Colorado 63-56.

Feel bad for UCLA having a short bench and a lot of injuries for the 2nd year in the row. Oregon State likely re-scheduled the make-up with Stanford to up their strength of schedule since they are on the bubble.
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Oregon State is at high risk of losing their next 5 games. Up next they have Arizona, Stanford, two Oregon games, and Stanford again. At that point they'd drop to 4-8 in conference play. In a weak year in the Pac 12, there's no way that's NCAA worthy IMO even if they win their other 3 games and finish 7-8.
 
I didn't remember this, but apparently Rueck received a double tech and was ejected in Tempe back in 2019. Playing the Devils is always like getting teeth pulled, I guess it's a bit more than he can handle sometimes.
 
Last nights games pretty much according to form except for WSU winning at Colorado. And, I guess , Cal winning at USC. Oregon needs to get a road win at ASU Sunday. Finishing the season at WSU, at OSU, home v Stanford, at Utah and at Colorado may not be a pretty record in the end. WSU is looking like a tournament team again.
 
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Floridaduck said:
Last nights games pretty much according to form except for WSU winning at Colorado. And, I guess , Cal winning at USC. Oregon needs to get a road win at ASU Sunday. Finishing the season at WSU, at OSU, home v Stanford, at Utah and at Colorado may not be a pretty record in the end. WSU is looking like a tournament team again.
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At this point I just want Oregon to host some home games in March.
 
bballnut90 said:
Oregon State is at high risk of losing their next 5 games. Up next they have Arizona, Stanford, two Oregon games, and Stanford again. At that point they'd drop to 4-8 in conference play. In a weak year in the Pac 12, there's no way that's NCAA worthy IMO even if they win their other 3 games and finish 7-8.
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Coming off an all Pac NCAA final, those top two teams are elite and I don't think anyone would be surprised to see both back in the final four.

As we go down the stretch it remains to be seen what the next level of teams do to their resume in order to impress the committee.

The fourth place Cougars winners of four in a row control their fate and with a win over either Stanford or Arizona will clearly be in the big dance. Even losing those two games I see WSU in the dance.

The Beavers have a brutal schedule down the stretch and after watching the coach's meltdown last night it's likely the Beavers will play themselves out of the tournament.

UCLA is very interesting and I think they control their own fate. They do need to upset Arizona and if you think I'm rooting for the Bruins in that game you are correct sir. The Bruins travel to Tempe on February 26th. Circle the date, the winner of that game will get to dance.
 
Oregon State certainly on the bubble right now. However, with the next five (5) games vs ranked opponents presents opportunity that many other teams do not have at this point in the season. It's win or stay home.
 
Barring a miraculous comeback in LA, Stanford will finish this weekend 3 games in the loss column up on everybody else in the Pac. I'd say this race is over already.
 
We the exception of one team you could say the wheels have fallen off the pac-12. Not sure why that is? Theories.
 
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Oregon perplexes me. I can understand losing to Arizona, but maybe by a closer margin. Wasn't able to watch their game against Arizona State. Wish I could as that one is a head scratcher.
 
I watched some of it. Oregon wasn't getting any good looks against ASU's defense. On the other end, Loville was very good, and ASU's other players were hitting shots that they don't always hit, enough to stay ahead.
 
Oregon tries to win yet another road game (rescheduled) at WSU tomorrow at noon PST. All I can do is hope at this point. Also announced today a make up game with UCLA on the 16th in Eugene. It will be considered a non-conference game and the previous forfeit will stand.
 
Floridaduck said:
Oregon tries to win yet another road game (rescheduled) at WSU tomorrow at noon PST. All I can do is hope at this point. Also announced today a make up game with UCLA on the 16th in Eugene. It will be considered a non-conference game and the previous forfeit will stand.
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Ah ..the Pac 12, I wish the conference would take a little more leadership and responsibility and trying to make up some of these covid games.

Wonder if Coach Close thinks this will move the Bruins up from the second four out. Or is she just doing Graves of solid.
 
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If the cards fall right, I think the PAC-12 could squeak in with 8 bids. 9 is probably too much of a stretch because for ones to come up, some will have to come down.

And re: UCLA/Oregon, I don't think Close is doing Graves a solid at all: there's much more to gain for UCLA than for Oregon from this, since Oregon already has the win for conference standing purposes, as well as a lock on a bid to the tournament. UCLA still needs to play their way in, and this is one of their best chances to do so.
 
Those crazy NET rankings. Sometimes it's inexplicable why they love certain teams. Utah is in that category.
 
TheFarmFan said:
If the cards fall right, I think the PAC-12 could squeak in with 8 bids. 9 is probably too much of a stretch because for ones to come up, some will have to come down.

And re: UCLA/Oregon, I don't think Close is doing Graves a solid at all: there's much more to gain for UCLA than for Oregon from this, since Oregon already has the win for conference standing purposes, as well as a lock on a bid to the tournament. UCLA still needs to play their way in, and this is one of their best chances to do so.
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Wait what? No way they get 8 bids. What many need to understand is there will be 68? Bids this year but 32 are automatic bids. Of that 32 20-22 of them are for teams who are outside the top 50 in NET ranking so that leaves on teams within the top 50 likely for the NCAAT.

Using that math, PAC-12 might get 6 and that’s if ASU can continue it’s good run.
 
DefenseBB said:
Wait what? No way they get 8 bids. What many need to understand is there will be 68? Bids this year but 32 are automatic bids. Of that 32 20-22 of them are for teams who are outside the top 50 in NET ranking so that leaves on teams within the top 50 likely for the NCAAT.

Using that math, PAC-12 might get 6 and that’s if ASU can continue it’s good run.
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I mostly agree. As I posted in a separate thread, about 19 conferences do not have a team in the top 50, but the rest do. Only a few of the remaining "not many bid" conferences look to be troublesome in the event of an upset (which adds an additional non top 50 team while the favorite gets an at large), but this is always a concern. And, of course, all the other criteria the committee considers.

My eye-test says that 6 would be a decent accomplishment, although ASU is not the only candidate for #6. I suppose 7 is not impossible, but I just can't see 8. It will really depend on teams improving their past performances.

To someone else's point, yes, I too wish the PAC would have been aggressive in rescheduling games. Because they are consistent on the nights they normally play, the opportunity is there. The downside is that there are 3 teams that are part of almost all the missed games.
 
Creamer has the SEC with nine bids. He might be right. I dunno. But I do feel that conferences should be limited to the top half of the conference.
 
Creme has PAC-12 with 7 in and ASU among first four out. A couple of wins against Stanford/Arizona/Oregon among those bottom three teams and I think you could have 8. Probably won’t happen, but it could.
 
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What world am I living in? I've been fretting about how many more teams the Pac will get other than the obvious 3. Maybe quite a few more than I've been thinking I guess.
 
DefenseBB said:
Wait what? No way they get 8 bids. What many need to understand is there will be 68? Bids this year but 32 are automatic bids. Of that 32 20-22 of them are for teams who are outside the top 50 in NET ranking so that leaves on teams within the top 50 likely for the NCAAT.

Using that math, PAC-12 might get 6 and that’s if ASU can continue it’s good run.
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ASU needs a split this weekend against the Cats. Sun Devils lost Jan schedule to Covid and only got 2 make ups, the first game against Oregon last week and an upcoming game against Cal.

To me the conference has really dropped the ball in terms of makeups. I look over at the Big East and see similar challenges but more effort to makeup games. And ASU is not the only team impacted and in the running for that 6th spot.

I think the UCLA story could be an inspirational one. Given all the injuries that they've had and problems with scheduling they still have a shot to make the tournament. If they can get a split between their Oregon and Arizona games they deserve consideration.

In fact depending upon how the games fall that February 26th game between ASU and UCLA might well be for the 6th spot. Of course if one of the teams gets hot during the tournament that could also impact the committee's decision.

At this point the most likely scenario is the Pac-12 only puts five teams in the big dance.

But if Charlie Creme had his way he might just go ahead and make Colorado a lock for the dance. I suspect he doesn't invest as much time as he perhaps could in putting together his bracketology. If he was thoughtful in keeping Colorado in his latest reveal I think he's nuts.
 
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TheFarmFan said:
Creme has PAC-12 with 7 in and ASU among first four out. A couple of wins against Stanford/Arizona/Oregon among those bottom three teams and I think you could have 8. Probably won’t happen, but it could.
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It's really interesting at this stage of the season. Creme is nuts..... He has Colorado in his February 8th reveal. No way Colorado goes to the tournament.

I'm not sure about other conferences but the Pac-12 could have anywhere from five to seven teams in the big dance. You're absolutely right the wild stretch run plus the tournament really leaves this up in the air. I'm guessing five teams end up in the tournament.

For example in the unlikely event that Utah stumbles down the stretch and they have losses still remaining against Stanford and Oregon so if they lose against say Oregon State and UCLA and are one and done in the tournament their resume may be damaged enough to fall all the way out of consideration. While the Utes really score the ball against average and below average defenses I don't have a lot of confidence in their defense. So in a scenario where UCLA gets hot and forms the basis for an inspirational movie the Utes could be bye-bye.

Likewise the Cougars have a brutal stretch in February. I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose four of those games and if they're an early out in the tournament then they're gone as well.

While there a lot of intriguing possibilities as I look at the remaining schedule I think the Bruins could be a surprise team in the tournament.

As a Sun Devil fan I think ASU really can control their destiny down the stretch. Unfortunately ASU's very disappointing history in the tournament argues against CTT and the team dancing.
 
Floridaduck said:
Current NET rankings for the Pac-12:
Stanford #3
Arizona #7
Oregon #13
Utah #23
Colorado #34
ASU. #45
UCLA #51
Oregon State #54
Washington State #57
Southern Cal, Cal, and UW off the map (82 or higher )
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Colorado's NET is irrelevant, I don't think they'll even play in the WNIT. They've lost five of their last seven and their upcoming schedule has losses against Stanford and Oregon, they play UCLA on the road and I'll pencil that in as a loss and I think Scott Reuck can get his team interested enough to also beat the Buffs. So they are toast.

As I said elsewhere the Utes have a pretty potent offense against average or mediocre defenses. I really don't trust them at all and while they might back into the dance it's entirely possible they stumble down the stretch and if they're one and done in the tournament they might have a difficult time making it in.

So that leaves the Pac-12 with ASU or UCLA. Neither team has a really strong argument and with UCLA's injuries it's going to be tough for them. While I'm rooting for CTT's squad it's very possible that the Pac is represented by 4 this year.

For example, if Stephen F Austin is somehow upset in their tournament do they still get a bid? There are maybe a half dozen other teams that fall into a category like that who really have a stronger argument to dance in the mid-range Pac 12 teams.
 
2 Stanford Cardinal
6 Arizona Wildcats
24 Oregon Ducks
Washington State Cougars
Utah Utes
Arizona State Sun Devils
Oregon State Beavers
UCLA Bruins
I would say everybody at or above 500 in league play has a shot

ConferenceOverallPolls
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9-0-1.00018-3.8579-17-1W105-35-3
7-32.5.70017-3.85010-03-3W23-13-1
7-32.5.70014-7.66711-13-4L22-42-4
6-43.5.60014-7.6677-16-5L10-40-4
4-44.5.50013-7.6509-33-3W30-40-4
3-34.5.50011-8.5799-21-4W22-32-3
4-44.5.50011-7.6117-12-4L21-31-3
5-54.5.50010-7.5888-21-3W10-40-4
 
visitingcock said:
2 Stanford Cardinal
6 Arizona Wildcats
24 Oregon Ducks
Washington State Cougars
Utah Utes
Arizona State Sun Devils
Oregon State Beavers
UCLA Bruins
I would say everybody at or above 500 in league play has a shot

ConferenceOverallPolls
W-LGBPCTW-LPCTHOMEAWAYSTRKAPUSA
9-0-1.00018-3.8579-17-1W105-35-3
7-32.5.70017-3.85010-03-3W23-13-1
7-32.5.70014-7.66711-13-4L22-42-4
6-43.5.60014-7.6677-16-5L10-40-4
4-44.5.50013-7.6509-33-3W30-40-4
3-34.5.50011-8.5799-21-4W22-32-3
4-44.5.50011-7.6117-12-4L21-31-3
5-54.5.50010-7.5888-21-3W10-40-4
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The next 3 weeks will be fun to watch. Pac teams love their home cooking.

Bad losses since 1/1

Utes lost to Colorado in OT...at home.

UCLA got blown out at home by the Trojans, and lost to Colorado on the road.

Bad behavior since 1/1

Pac 12 officials bumbling to reschedule

Scott Reuck double technical ejection in Tempe
 
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