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We the exception of one team you could say the wheels have fallen off the pac-12. Not sure why that is? Theories.
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In addition to Stanford, I think that Arizona is also feeling pretty good about its prospects for a run in the NCAA tourney.
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Some teams have been hard hit by injuries and/or players being in and out with COVID. Injuries have hit UCLA super hard.
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Oregon perplexes me. I can understand losing to Arizona, but maybe by a closer margin. Wasn't able to watch their game against Arizona State. Wish I could as that one is a head scratcher.
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Oregon tries to win yet another road game (rescheduled) at WSU tomorrow at noon PST. All I can do is hope at this point. Also announced today a make up game with UCLA on the 16th in Eugene. It will be considered a non-conference game and the previous forfeit will stand.
Ah ..the Pac 12, I wish the conference would take a little more leadership and responsibility and trying to make up some of these covid games.
Wonder if Coach Close thinks this will move the Bruins up from the second four out. Or is she just doing Graves of solid.
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Current NET rankings for the Pac-12:
Stanford #3
Arizona #7
Oregon #13
Utah #23
Colorado #34
ASU. #45
UCLA #51
Oregon State #54
Washington State #57
Southern Cal, Cal, and UW off the map (82 or higher )
Stanford #3
Arizona #7
Oregon #13
Utah #23
Colorado #34
ASU. #45
UCLA #51
Oregon State #54
Washington State #57
Southern Cal, Cal, and UW off the map (82 or higher )
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If the cards fall right, I think the PAC-12 could squeak in with 8 bids. 9 is probably too much of a stretch because for ones to come up, some will have to come down.
And re: UCLA/Oregon, I don't think Close is doing Graves a solid at all: there's much more to gain for UCLA than for Oregon from this, since Oregon already has the win for conference standing purposes, as well as a lock on a bid to the tournament. UCLA still needs to play their way in, and this is one of their best chances to do so.
And re: UCLA/Oregon, I don't think Close is doing Graves a solid at all: there's much more to gain for UCLA than for Oregon from this, since Oregon already has the win for conference standing purposes, as well as a lock on a bid to the tournament. UCLA still needs to play their way in, and this is one of their best chances to do so.
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Wait what? No way they get 8 bids. What many need to understand is there will be 68? Bids this year but 32 are automatic bids. Of that 32 20-22 of them are for teams who are outside the top 50 in NET ranking so that leaves on teams within the top 50 likely for the NCAAT.
Using that math, PAC-12 might get 6 and that’s if ASU can continue it’s good run.
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I mostly agree. As I posted in a separate thread, about 19 conferences do not have a team in the top 50, but the rest do. Only a few of the remaining "not many bid" conferences look to be troublesome in the event of an upset (which adds an additional non top 50 team while the favorite gets an at large), but this is always a concern. And, of course, all the other criteria the committee considers.
My eye-test says that 6 would be a decent accomplishment, although ASU is not the only candidate for #6. I suppose 7 is not impossible, but I just can't see 8. It will really depend on teams improving their past performances.
To someone else's point, yes, I too wish the PAC would have been aggressive in rescheduling games. Because they are consistent on the nights they normally play, the opportunity is there. The downside is that there are 3 teams that are part of almost all the missed games.
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Creamer has the SEC with nine bids. He might be right. I dunno. But I do feel that conferences should be limited to the top half of the conference.
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Creme has PAC-12 with 7 in and ASU among first four out. A couple of wins against Stanford/Arizona/Oregon among those bottom three teams and I think you could have 8. Probably won’t happen, but it could.
ASU needs a split this weekend against the Cats. Sun Devils lost Jan schedule to Covid and only got 2 make ups, the first game against Oregon last week and an upcoming game against Cal.
To me the conference has really dropped the ball in terms of makeups. I look over at the Big East and see similar challenges but more effort to makeup games. And ASU is not the only team impacted and in the running for that 6th spot.
I think the UCLA story could be an inspirational one. Given all the injuries that they've had and problems with scheduling they still have a shot to make the tournament. If they can get a split between their Oregon and Arizona games they deserve consideration.
In fact depending upon how the games fall that February 26th game between ASU and UCLA might well be for the 6th spot. Of course if one of the teams gets hot during the tournament that could also impact the committee's decision.
At this point the most likely scenario is the Pac-12 only puts five teams in the big dance.
But if Charlie Creme had his way he might just go ahead and make Colorado a lock for the dance. I suspect he doesn't invest as much time as he perhaps could in putting together his bracketology. If he was thoughtful in keeping Colorado in his latest reveal I think he's nuts.
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It's really interesting at this stage of the season. Creme is nuts..... He has Colorado in his February 8th reveal. No way Colorado goes to the tournament.
I'm not sure about other conferences but the Pac-12 could have anywhere from five to seven teams in the big dance. You're absolutely right the wild stretch run plus the tournament really leaves this up in the air. I'm guessing five teams end up in the tournament.
For example in the unlikely event that Utah stumbles down the stretch and they have losses still remaining against Stanford and Oregon so if they lose against say Oregon State and UCLA and are one and done in the tournament their resume may be damaged enough to fall all the way out of consideration. While the Utes really score the ball against average and below average defenses I don't have a lot of confidence in their defense. So in a scenario where UCLA gets hot and forms the basis for an inspirational movie the Utes could be bye-bye.
Likewise the Cougars have a brutal stretch in February. I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose four of those games and if they're an early out in the tournament then they're gone as well.
While there a lot of intriguing possibilities as I look at the remaining schedule I think the Bruins could be a surprise team in the tournament.
As a Sun Devil fan I think ASU really can control their destiny down the stretch. Unfortunately ASU's very disappointing history in the tournament argues against CTT and the team dancing.
Colorado's NET is irrelevant, I don't think they'll even play in the WNIT. They've lost five of their last seven and their upcoming schedule has losses against Stanford and Oregon, they play UCLA on the road and I'll pencil that in as a loss and I think Scott Reuck can get his team interested enough to also beat the Buffs. So they are toast.
As I said elsewhere the Utes have a pretty potent offense against average or mediocre defenses. I really don't trust them at all and while they might back into the dance it's entirely possible they stumble down the stretch and if they're one and done in the tournament they might have a difficult time making it in.
So that leaves the Pac-12 with ASU or UCLA. Neither team has a really strong argument and with UCLA's injuries it's going to be tough for them. While I'm rooting for CTT's squad it's very possible that the Pac is represented by 4 this year.
For example, if Stephen F Austin is somehow upset in their tournament do they still get a bid? There are maybe a half dozen other teams that fall into a category like that who really have a stronger argument to dance in the mid-range Pac 12 teams.
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| 2 Stanford Cardinal |
| 6 Arizona Wildcats |
| 24 Oregon Ducks |
| Washington State Cougars |
| Utah Utes |
| Arizona State Sun Devils |
| Oregon State Beavers |
| UCLA Bruins |
| I would say everybody at or above 500 in league play has a shot |
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| W-L | GB | PCT | W-L | PCT | HOME | AWAY | STRK | AP | USA |
| 9-0 | - | 1.000 | 18-3 | .857 | 9-1 | 7-1 | W10 | 5-3 | 5-3 |
| 7-3 | 2.5 | .700 | 17-3 | .850 | 10-0 | 3-3 | W2 | 3-1 | 3-1 |
| 7-3 | 2.5 | .700 | 14-7 | .667 | 11-1 | 3-4 | L2 | 2-4 | 2-4 |
| 6-4 | 3.5 | .600 | 14-7 | .667 | 7-1 | 6-5 | L1 | 0-4 | 0-4 |
| 4-4 | 4.5 | .500 | 13-7 | .650 | 9-3 | 3-3 | W3 | 0-4 | 0-4 |
| 3-3 | 4.5 | .500 | 11-8 | .579 | 9-2 | 1-4 | W2 | 2-3 | 2-3 |
| 4-4 | 4.5 | .500 | 11-7 | .611 | 7-1 | 2-4 | L2 | 1-3 | 1-3 |
| 5-5 | 4.5 | .500 | 10-7 | .588 | 8-2 | 1-3 | W1 | 0-4 | 0-4 |
The next 3 weeks will be fun to watch. Pac teams love their home cooking.
Bad losses since 1/1
Utes lost to Colorado in OT...at home.
UCLA
Bad behavior since 1/1
Pac 12 officials bumbling to reschedule
Scott Reuck double technical ejection in Tempe
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They swept USC.
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Oregon squeaks out a road win in Pullman 83 - 30. Sabally sat out the game.
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I don't think WSU has been blown out like that the entire time Ethridge has been the coach. Stanford has pounded them several times, but not like that. Eye opening result.
Oregon women’s basketball destroys Washington State with record-setting defensive performance
Endyia Rogers had 17 points and six rebounds, Te-Hina Paopao had 14 points and six rebounds and Sedona Prince had 12 points and eight rebounds to lead No. 24 Oregon in an 83-30 dismantling.
Cougars did not enhance their tournament resume, third loss in a row with, Stanford, Arizona and UCLA remaining...
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