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Thanks for starting this thread. Huge PAC 12 fan here....USC. Looking forward to reading some comments and sharing some comments.
 
If Utah wants to make a statement this year that it is in-fact improving, beating ASU at home tonight is paramount. Sometimes watchin this Utes team I think, yeah they are pretty good and other time I think, um, no they have a ways to go...
 
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Utah has pretty much stunk since they beat Oregon St.
 
Anchor Town said:
As weve said before, this is the worst Beavs team in a long time sadly
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It’s a little surprising to me. With Jones, Corosdale, and Mack, you have plenty of decent size. Mack seems to have been a non-factor so far, though.

Haven’t seen enough of Goforth yet to make an analysis. Goodman is solid but has been inconsistent throughout her career, imo.

OSU feels to have taken a step back from its place as a top ten program (2016-2018, roughly) and now feels more like a borderline top 20. Just doesn’t seem to be enough firepower this year. That said, I’d be surprised if the Beavs don’t improve immensely. Rueck is a very good, if perhaps old-fashioned, basketball coach.
 
domerduck said:
When has he not had a great interview?
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Who said he didn't unless you are up the school up the road. They know why players like to come to Oregon......charisma verses vanilla.
 
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It's early, but the top 5 and the bottom 6 are separating really quickly, w/ only ASU inbetween.*


* I don't think WSU is going to stay in the top 6, but they are 2-0 at the moment. I also really don't think USC is going to stay in last place, but they are 0-4.
 
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Not sure is @Shades will post an OSU-UW thread or not as that to me, is a keystone game to determine if OSU has really hit bottom or if they have just work out some kinks. If this game is close, I think the Beavers are in rebuild mode and could be in jeopardy of not making the tournament. Curious what our OSU/UW fan thinks-what say you sage of the Northwest WCBB hoop seen? What say you? @nwhoopfan :)
 
This is a feisty Washington State team. It's a shame they lost Murekerete to foul trouble early, but....I'm loving how they're playing so far this season despite losing two all time leaders in Hristova and Molina.
 
Damn game was cancelled! Either my life is in need of some help as I was looking forward to this game, or I have become attached to Northwest WCBB...damn you @nwhoopfan, DAMN YOU! ;)
 
DefenseBB said:
Curious what our OSU/UW fan thinks-what say you sage of the Northwest WCBB hoop seen? What say you? @nwhoopfan
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I saw the cancellation notice yesterday. I figured the good news is one of them would get a W, but the bad news is the other would get an L. I wasn't prepared to make a bold prediction about the outcome. But hey, suddenly that OSU loss to WSU isn't looking nearly as bad as it did on Saturday.
 
Hey @Floridaduck one minor correction is I do think Utah is better than Colorado but at that far down in the standings, does it really matter? :confused:
 
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DefenseBB said:
Hey @Floridaduck one minor correction is I do think Utah is better than Colorado but at that far down in the standings, does it really matter? :confused:
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I would've said the same before Colorado beat Utah by 30. Kinda hard to make that claim at the moment.
 
Lorcan said:
This is a feisty Washington State team. It's a shame they lost Murekerete to foul trouble early, but....I'm loving how they're playing so far this season despite losing two all time leaders in Hristova and Molina.
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I found very questionable the block call that went against Bella early in 1Q (thought it should've been a charge). But hey, I'm glad I'm not the one who has to make those calls.

Still, can't really blame the loss on her foul trouble, as WSU led for the entire first half while she was in the foul trouble box.
 
Incidentally, as a result of the Stanford-UCLA game, Stanford is now #1 per Massey, and UCLA is #10. And to the degree anyone thought it was a messy, defensive slugfest, it was: Massey says Stanford is #1 defensively and UCLA is #7. Both programs are stronger on D than O (#6 for Stanford, #24 for UCLA), so a low-scoring, low shooting percentage game is exactly what we should and did get.

Also notable: even though Oregon won, it dropped to #2, and even though WSU lost, it's now up to #20 from #25. Indeed, the Cougars are ranked #12 defensively in the country. I'm super eager to see if they can maintain this trajectory over the season, because if they can they may be the sleeper team of the season. And there are few programs and coaches that deserve it more than Ethridge and the Cougars.

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So, a few things here. I'm surprised that Ohio State is ranked as highly as it is by Massey. A weird quirk given that their best win is over Kent State (?). It is interesting that Massey indicates that the Pac-12 has 5 of the top 10 defensive teams in the nation. Stanford, Oregon, Arizona State, Arizona, and UCLA are all in the top 10, with Washington State and Washington not far behind in the Top 21.

The other quirk? Princeton is rated as having the 19th toughest schedule, despite not having played a game this year and having their season cancelled.
 
Lorcan said:
The other quirk? Princeton is rated as having the 19th toughest schedule, despite not having played a game this year and having their season cancelled.
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Massey automatically imports some data from the end of last year's season at the start of a new season to weigh the relative strength and expected performance of teams early on. The import of those old games diminishes rapidly as new games replace them and the ratings have enough datapoints to rank based solely on play from this season. I suspect what happened with Princeton is its SOS is based purely on those legacy games from last year that haven't dropped off because it hasn't played any games this year. For everybody else, this season's performance serves as the lion's share of their ranking composition. I suspect Ohio State is similarly benefiting in part from last season's performance (and especially its three late-season neutral court wins over Iowa, Michigan and Minnesota), but Massey also factors in Margin of Victory and Ohio State has won all its games in decisive fashion, so that probably helps.

(And before you critique that approach, it's the reason why Massey's ratings are so much more reliable than RPI from the outset - RPI is often extremely wonky until well into the start of conference play, given how imbalanced a lot of teams' OOC schedules are. And personally, I find RPI a close to useless gauge.)
 
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ASU games against Washington schools are postponed. ASU announcement said pac-12 will try to reschedule at a time it meets the needs of both schools. I wonder what the chances of that will be.

I appreciate the abundance of caution. ASU said the postponement was due to covid issues within their program.
 
Stanford rearranged the order they play Washington and Washington St. the following week, they will now play the Cougs twice in Pullman before going to Seattle. This is to make up a previously postponed game.
 
Now the Arizona-Washington game on Friday has been postponed. Add UW to the list of teams pausing activities.
 
ASU postponed this weekend's games against Oregon schools due to Covid concerns.
 
Colorado dropped their game against USC, despite USC still being without Pili. Unsure of what to make of Colorado this season or moving forward. Was Emma Clarke THAT big a loss?
 
Lorcan said:
Colorado dropped their game against USC, despite USC still being without Pili. Unsure of what to make of Colorado this season or moving forward. Was Emma Clarke THAT big a loss?
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I think Colorado and Utah both are definitely not moving forward this year and in fact are falling further behind the top half of the conference. Utah in particular seems disappointing to me.

Cal, Washington, Utah and Colorado all gotta be wondering how Washington St. has made such a quantum leap this year while those 4 are all stuck at the bottom.
 
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