Our Texas guru: Coach Bill...any new news?

[Charliebball]

Interesting on several levels, not the least of which is UConn targeting both Collier and Prince. Has to be one or the other I would think.

gotta cast a wide net to get at least one of those big bodies...................

 

[CoachBill]

bags27 - I don't get why it is confusing to you.

1 ) a "commited" player is not an official paid representative of an Institution.. as a college coach is. so that in itself creates a different dynamic.
college coaches have plenty of opportunity to use there skills of persuasion to try to convince kids to come to their school. it is called the Recruiting process. Their has to be guidelines with the coaches.

2 ) high school players are allowed to have friends and it is irrational to consider that friends, teammates,etc would not have a potential interest to attend same school or at minimal shares thoughs about a school, program.



3) as a "just saying " - on boys side they often publicly convey their interests to have certian peers, friends join them. Manyyy recruiting pieces will include content with a boy's player relaying who who he wants / is talking to about potentially joining him. ( "package deals " )

The NCAA is certainly not going to try to administer to high school players they can't discuss with , try to encourage their friends / teammates from joining them at a school.
It would be an irrational perspective - consideration

4 ) considering how "spin" oriented or even less than Honest a majority of college coaches can be through the process ..... peers are often a prospective recruits greatest resource within the recruiting process.

 

[HuskyNan]

It's interesting that contact with college coaches and potential future teammates is carefully regulated but that those already committed to a school can do whatever they want to convince others. I don't see how it could be regulated fairly--especially in this age of social media--but just saying....

To elaborate on what Coach Bill just said - an oral commitment is not binding on any partynor is it considered a verbal contract. In other words, a girl that has given an oral commitment is viewed as the same as one who hasn't. She's free to contact other schools, other recruits, etc. if she so chooses. It's awkward, yes, but perfectly "legal", according to NCAA rules.

 

[Charliebball]

bags27 - I don't get why it is confusing to you.

1 ) a "commited" player is not an official paid representative of an Institution.. as a college coach is. so that in itself creates a different dynamic.

4 ) considering how "spin" oriented or even less than Honest a majority of college coaches can be through the process ..... peers are often a prospective recruits greatest resource within the recruiting process.

Coach Bill..........we've been waiting quite awhile for some of these recruits to make their decisions...........I have always felt that the better players often hold out longer (one example being Megan Walker) so that they can see how a particular program's roster is shaping up.............any thoughts on this?

 

[bags27]

To elaborate on what Coach Bill just said - an oral commitment is not binding on any partynor is it considered a verbal contract. In other words, a girl that has given an oral commitment is viewed as the same as one who hasn't. She's free to contact other schools, other recruits, etc. if she so chooses. It's awkward, yes, but perfectly "legal", according to NCAA rules.

Thanks HuskyNan. Once formally committed, can a recruit continue to contact potential recruits or is than then off limits?

 

[HuskyNan]

Thanks HuskyNan. Once formally committed, can a recruit continue to contact potential recruits or is than then off limits?

An oral commitment is non-binding; a Letter of Intent is. The recruit isn't bound by any NCAA rules until she signs in the early signing period in November or the regular period in the spring. When she does sign, she becomes a Representative of School Interests (booster).

 

[Sluconn Husky]

One more Blue Star evaluation of Masonius from Boo Williams:

Faith Masonius – 2019 – 6-0 – Guard / Forward – (NJ Belles Masonius)

Do-it-all player effortlessly floats from the perimeter to the interior and back. She is a mismatch threat who can play 1-4 and is equal parts crafty, explosive and rugged. A vocal leader who commands her teammates respect, she is, at her core, a winning basketball player who does whatever it takes to be successful. Shot-maker; hustler; unselfish – what coach doesn’t want that type of player?


And one of Mo'ne Davis, yes, the Mo'ne Davis.


Mo’ne Davis – 2019 – 5-8 – Guard – (Philly Triple Threat – 9th Girls)

The Taney Dragons Little League superstar pitcher demonstrated her unique all-around athletic ability by making instinctual plays on both sides of the floor. A scorer with creative handles, she relishes the big stage and has major upside on the basketball court.


http://www.bluestarmedia.org/new-power-generation-2016-boo-williams-invitational/

 

[bags27]

One more Blue Star evaluation of Masonius from Boo Williams: Mo’ne Davis – 2019 – 5-8 – Guard – (Philly Triple Threat – 9th Girls)

Uh-oh, another minor infraction, just from mentioning her on this fan website....

 

[CoachBill]

I do not see anything "awkward " about h.s. players trying encourage friends / other recruits to strongly consider the school they plan to attend. . To me, it makes a ton of sense. Why wouldn't you try to have some influence ( if possible ) on who some future teammates might be.
againn.. it has happened on the boys side consistently for a long time. and it is widely covered & embraced by the basketball community on that side. It is a very public dynamic on boys side.

If a popular & very outgoing female player such as Lexi chooses to be proactive ... God Bless her. and I feel veryy confident in saying I can't see her being public with it at all.
In my view.. it would be a bit of a double standard to judge any female player for doing it... when it is fully accepted & embraced on the Boy's side.

I also should follow up and stress... Lexi Gordon is very popular nationally with many profile prospectes... and VERY popular within the state of Texas. so whether she is active in talking to others about strongly considering UConn OR she isn't at all.... her presence as a UConn commit definitely an extra bonus for the Huskies recruiting within the 2017 & 2018 classes ( obviously especially with Texas kids ).


charliebball - I have seen plenty of cases both ways ( early & late ) regarding when high profile players make their decision. Its all relative actually... esp on the girls side.
On the boy's side...in recent years it has become more fashionable for Top 25 guys to make LATE decisions..(into Spring of Senior year )
to evaluate coaching changes & early entry dynamics.
Obviously WBB does not have the early entry dynamic.

 

[MilfordHusky]

I too appreciate Coach Bill's input. I hope that has been obvious. But sorry, Bill, I'm not paying you.

 

[DaddyChoc]

What a gem Coach Bill is for the BY. I almost feel like we should pay him to be our professional scout.

 

[connboy77]

It is great to have such a knowledgeable poster as Coach Bill on this board! I like everyone else look forward to his posts.

 

[Charliebball]

I too appreciate Coach Bill's input. I hope that has been obvious. But sorry, Bill, I'm not paying you.

A bit OT: May I assume that's Milford as in Milford CT? Spent many wonderful summers on Shell Ave where we had a family house for 85 years.............had to sell it a few years ago................the waterfront taxes just got out of hand...............miss it a lot..............used to babysit for your current mayor..............

 

[BobbyJ]

I do not see anything "awkward " about h.s. players trying encourage friends / other recruits to strongly consider the school they plan to attend. . To me, it makes a ton of sense. Why wouldn't you try to have some influence ( if possible ) on who some future teammates might be.
againn.. it has happened on the boys side consistently for a long time. and it is widely covered & embraced by the basketball community on that side. It is a very public dynamic on boys side.

If a popular & very outgoing female player such as Lexi chooses to be proactive ... God Bless her. and I feel veryy confident in saying I can't see her being public with it at all.
In my view.. it would be a bit of a double standard to judge any female player for doing it... when it is fully accepted & embraced on the Boy's side.

I also should follow up and stress... Lexi Gordon is very popular nationally with many profile prospectes... and VERY popular within the state of Texas. so whether she is active in talking to others about strongly considering UConn OR she isn't at all.... her presence as a UConn commit definitely an extra bonus for the Huskies recruiting within the 2017 & 2018 classes ( obviously especially with Texas kids ).


charliebball - I have seen plenty of cases both ways ( early & late ) regarding when high profile players make their decision. Its all relative actually... esp on the girls side.
On the boy's side...in recent years it has become more fashionable for Top 25 guys to make LATE decisions..(into Spring of Senior year )
to evaluate coaching changes & early entry dynamics.
Obviously WBB does not have the early entry dynamic.

As you say Bill, there's nothing wrong with the friends recruiting friends. I believe this practice started way back in 1966 when Howard Garfinkel started the Five Star summer camps and for the first time, top boys players from different regions were able to begin mingling and playing other top competition. The girl's version probably got started with Flynn's 5 Star in Penn. and others like it and now social media has really made it very commonplace. BTW, Garfinkel could have been a twin brother to Abe Vigoda.

 

[bags27]

bags27 - I don't get why it is confusing to you.
The NCAA is certainly not going to try to administer to high school players they can't discuss with , try to encourage their friends / teammates from joining them at a school.
It would be an irrational perspective - consideration.

Thanks, CoachBill. I appreciate your taking the time to respond and clarify. I don't follow at all the process of recruitment, but, like most folks, hear anecdotally of violations which sound to us civilians to be incredibly stupid things to call violations. So, I was just wondering where the line is drawn formally. Of course, it's impossible to regulate these things closely and completely unfair actions will occur: hence my joke about our discussing Mo'ne Davis on this Board. For example, what happens when a formally (in writing) committed player is playing in an invitational with an undeclared player, who congratulates the committed player on her scholarship and the committed player in response gushes about her choice of schools. They're just making conversation, but might not that be a violation? And yet, what 17 year old kid, so excited about where she's going, wouldn't tell the undeclared player why? Impossible to regulate consistently, is all I'm saying. Which is why we get these incredibly stupid things like Geno being slapped for calling Mo'ne Davis. (Even UConn compliance thought it would be okay, and it turned out not to be.) I'm not criticizing what Lexi is doing, just trying to understanding where the so-called line is drawn. Thanks for taking the time to respond.

 

[Goodgood]

Thanks, CoachBill. I appreciate your taking the time to respond and clarify. I don't follow at all the process of recruitment, but, like most folks, hear anecdotally of violations which sound to us civilians to be incredibly stupid things to call violations. So, I was just wondering where the line is drawn formally. Of course, it's impossible to regulate these things closely and completely unfair actions will occur: hence my joke about our discussing Mo'ne Davis on this Board. For example, what happens when a formally (in writing) committed player is playing in an invitational with an undeclared player, who congratulates the committed player on her scholarship and the committed player in response gushes about her choice of schools. They're just making conversation, but might not that be a violation? And yet, what 17 year old kid, so excited about where she's going, wouldn't tell the undeclared player why? Impossible to regulate consistently, is all I'm saying. Which is why we get these incredibly stupid things like Geno being slapped for calling Mo'ne Davis. (Even UConn compliance thought it would be okay, and it turned out not to be.) I'm not criticizing what Lexi is doing, just trying to understanding where the so-called line is drawn. Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Lexie hasn't formally committed to UConn. Until she signs, as Nan stated earlier, there is no line to be drawn.

 

[CoachBill]

here is a CLASSIC example of what I have been alluding to
( Boys side )

Watch Duke and Kentucky signees give sales pitches for 5-star center Marques Bolden

 

[CoachBill]

MilfordHusky - Ha ha... i definitely Understand

 

[CoachBill]

Thanks, CoachBill. I appreciate your taking the time to respond and clarify. I don't follow at all the process of recruitment, but, like most folks, hear anecdotally of violations which sound to us civilians to be incredibly stupid things to call violations. So, I was just wondering where the line is drawn formally. Of course, it's impossible to regulate these things closely and completely unfair actions will occur: hence my joke about our discussing Mo'ne Davis on this Board. For example, what happens when a formally (in writing) committed player is playing in an invitational with an undeclared player, who congratulates the committed player on her scholarship and the committed player in response gushes about her choice of schools. They're just making conversation, but might not that be a violation? And yet, what 17 year old kid, so excited about where she's going, wouldn't tell the undeclared player why? Impossible to regulate consistently, is all I'm saying. Which is why we get these incredibly stupid things like Geno being slapped for calling Mo'ne Davis. (Even UConn compliance thought it would be okay, and it turned out not to be.) I'm not criticizing what Lexi is doing, just trying to understanding where the so-called line is drawn. Thanks for taking the time to respond.

bags27 - Its all good ! this forum is all about people sharing questions, thoughts , opinions or insight.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

peers are often a prospective recruits greatest resource within the recruiting process.

Occurs to me that in some instances this can be the blind leading the blind. Was it 5 of them who went to Hatchell's program, lead by Diamond Deshields.

 

[HuskyNan]

An oral commitment is non-binding; a Letter of Intent is. The recruit isn't bound by any NCAA rules until she signs in the early signing period in November or the regular period in the spring. When she does sign, she becomes a Representative of School Interests (booster).

I forgot to add that if there is a pre-existing relationship from before the signing of the LOI, the restrictions don't apply. For example, if Megan Walker grew up next door to me and I'd known her since she was a kid, I could talk about UConn all I wanted to. However, if she moved next door to me tomorrow, I can't "recruit" her because I've held season's tickets, which makes me a booster. A lot of the elite players have known each other for years and have been friends for a long time. So, Lexi can talk to her friends about becoming a Husky without running afoul of the rules.

Gotta love the NCAA for these clear and concise rules.

 

[CocoHusky]

I forgot to add that if there is a pre-existing relationship from before the signing of the LOI, the restrictions don't apply. For example, if Megan Walker grew up next door to me and I'd known her since she was a kid, I could talk about UConn all I wanted to. However, if she moved next door to me tomorrow, I can't "recruit" her because I've held season's tickets, which makes me a booster. A lot of the elite players have known each other for years and have been friends for a long time. So, Lexi can talk to her friends about becoming a Husky without running afoul of the rules.

Gotta love the NCAA for these clear and concise rules.

One of the more bizarre points about that booster designation is that it is a life time designation by the NCAA. So let's say Geno did something to tick Nan off and Nan decides to give up her season tickets and start rooting for let's say Rutgers. Nan would still remain a UCONN booster in the eyes of the NCAA.

 

[meyers7]

One of the more bizarre points about that booster designation is that it is a life time designation by the NCAA. So let's say Geno did something to tick Nan off and Nan decides to give up her season tickets and start rooting for let's say Rutgers. Nan would still remain a UCONN booster in the eyes of the NCAA.

 

[bags27]

One of the more bizarre points about that booster designation is that it is a life time designation by the NCAA. So let's say Geno did something to tick Nan off and Nan decides to give up her season tickets and start rooting for let's say Rutgers. Nan would still remain a UCONN booster in the eyes of the NCAA.

But the NCAA knows that Nan and Geno got together and plotted this, so that Nan was really now a secret UConn fan, pretending to root for Rutgers, but really still recruiting for UConn. Once again, the NCAA is way ahead of us!

 

[Sluconn Husky]

Okay, so back to AAU reports. These from the Deep South Classic courtesy of Blue Star.

Samantha Brunelle – 2019 – (Ruckersville,VA) BWSL Richmond 2018 16U: Samantha “Baby Dell” Brunelle is a very skilled 6-2 prototype forward. The nickname is a reference to her idol and WNBA star Ellena Delle Donne. Brunelle played extremely well showing herself to be a low post presence at both ends of the floor. She has a strong interior game with is a nice blend of athleticism and power. Brunelle also showed that she has a smooth face up attack and an effective midrange jumper that extends out to the three point line. The rebounding is there and with the ability to put the ball on the floor she does a great job initiating the fast break. With all the tools and skills and continued advancement she’ll continue to be a top 10 presence in the 2019 class.


Mikayla Coombs – 2017 – (Buford, GA) FBC Mo 2017: Coombs is ultra-athletic 5-11 guard with a smooth mid-range shot and sweet stroke from beyond the arc to help compliment her attacking style. She does a great job of penetrating looking to score or drop dimes to spotting up or slashing teammates. Coombs has very good ball handling skills while going right and left equally well. She uses her long arms and athleticism to be a force on the defensive end creating a great deal of havoc for her opponents. A top 10 prospect…special.


Kaitlyn Gilbert – 2018 – (Indianapolis, IN) Best Choice United 17U: Gilbert was consistently attacking and finishing in traffic as well as dropping dimes to cutting teammates. Gilbert has excellent command of her dribble plus she attacks with either hand equally. At 5-11 she uses her size and great court vision to her advantage dishing out no look passes. Gilbert also has the ability to stroke the jumper be it midrange or out beyond the three point arc. On the other end you can count on lock down defense. Gilbert has an explosive game with big time potential.


Deep South Classic 2016 - Bluestar Media

 

[Sluconn Husky]

ESPN piece on Charli Collier:

Charli Collier sets sights on Team USA after her dad's death