OT: Yard Goats Proving Hartford Can Have Nice Things

[Ewekon]

800 apartments, 60,000 sf of retail space, 2,000 parking spots (possibly a 1,000 spot parking garage), and a modest 2,000 sf grocery store.

Stamford developer’s DoNo vision taking shape

OhNo! They call it DoNo?!

 

[Letsgohuskies11]

800 apartments, 60,000 sf of retail space, 2,000 parking spots (possibly a 1,000 spot parking garage), and a modest 2,000 sf grocery store.

Stamford developer’s DoNo vision taking shape

if any city know's how to gentrify, its stamford

 

[Letsgohuskies11]

they should build an outdoor skate rink next to the stadium and have the wolfpack play games on it in the winter

 

[BlueMAB]

they should build an outdoor skate rink next to the stadium and have the wolfpack play games on it in the winter

Sarcasm? Why wouldn't they put a rink on the field at DD park and play a game or two in the park where there are bathrooms and concessions?

 

[Robertelamin]

OhNo! They call it DoNo?!

I’ve never heard anyone actually say DoNo but I guess that is how it’s being branded. It’s too close to DoNot, as in DoNot come here. Why not just call it Downtown North?

 

[Letsgohuskies11]

Sarcasm? Why wouldn't they put a rink on the field at DD park and play a game or two in the park where there are bathrooms and concessions?

That sounds like a lot better idea

 

[huskymedic]

 

[CL82]

I love how "gentrification" is a dirty word. We've been through that process in a local city near me. Started with upscale housing, which in turn brought in restaurants, bars, etc. Now a once tired city has a thriving nightlife. Where it use to be starting to get sketchy at night you see couples, groups walking.

I've been fan of the stadium concept form the start. They just need to follow through and do the rest of the development.

 

[Waquoit]

They just need to follow through and do the rest of the development.

Just as a reminder, development of the area is stalled because the original developers were crooks.

 

[BlueMAB]

Just as a reminder, development of the area is stalled because the original developers were crooks.

And weren't they the developer selected by the city in a "no-bid" process?

 

[BlueMAB]

I love how "gentrification" is a dirty word. We've been through that process in a local city near me. Started with upscale housing, which in turn brought in restaurants, bars, etc. Now a once tired city has a thriving nightlife. Where it use to be starting to get sketchy at night you see couples, groups walking.

Well, inevitably many residents of the neighborhood will be priced out. So from their perspective, it is a dirty word.

 

[Husky25]

Well, inevitably many residents of the neighborhood will be priced out. So from their perspective, it is a dirty word.

Downtown North used to be abandoned buildings and vacant lots. What residents are priced out?

 

[BlueMAB]

Downtown North used to be abandoned buildings and vacant lots. What residents are priced out?

His statement appeared to be a general statement on gentrification (as evidenced by the fact he referenced a city near him) and wasn't specific to Hartford, so that's the context in which I responded.

I'll admit, gentrification as it relates to Downtown North "residents" would appear to be minimal (if any at all). However, there is still the potential for the store owners on Main street to the north of the ball park to be priced out and that is a concern referenced in the article, and still relates to "gentrification".

 

[Husky25]

His statement appeared to be a general statement on gentrification (as evidenced by the fact he referenced a city near him) and wasn't specific to Hartford, so that's the context in which I responded.

I'll admit, gentrification as it relates to Downtown North "residents" would appear to be minimal (if any at all). However, there is still the potential for the store owners on Main street to the north of the ball park to be priced out and that is a concern referenced in the article, and still relates to "gentrification".

His statement appeared to be a commentary on how "gentrification" is used by Jenna Carlesso within the context of the article. It was 100% specific to Hartford.

“If you are building this, that and the other, I think there is a perception among people in the community that there is a wall shutting them out,” said Tina Franklin, who lives in Hartford’s Parkville neighborhood. “The idea that folks in the community have an aversion to ‘new and shiny’ is erroneous. We want new and shiny … but we want to be a part of it.”

The dictionary definition of Gentrification is "the process of renovating and improving a house or district so that it conforms to middle-class taste."

I don't know where the Parkville neighborhood is (presumably nearby). Poor job by Carlesso for not giving points of reference. Be that as it may, this particular residents wants her cake and eat it too, which is not urban improvement. It's glorified publicly subsidized housing. More of the same and why Hartford is in the condition it is.

 

[huskymedic]

I don't know where the Parkville neighborhood is (presumably nearby)...

It's not really... it's closer to West Hartford/end of Capital Ave than the area being reference around the stadium.

 

[Husky25]

It's not really... it's closer to West Hartford/end of Capital Ave than the area being reference around the stadium.

In that case, I can't see her qualms.

 

[Ha Who]

Are these people for real?

 

[CL82]

His statement appeared to be a general statement on gentrification (as evidenced by the fact he referenced a city near him) and wasn't specific to Hartford, so that's the context in which I responded.

I'll admit, gentrification as it relates to Downtown North "residents" would appear to be minimal (if any at all). However, there is still the potential for the store owners on Main street to the north of the ball park to be priced out and that is a concern referenced in the article, and still relates to "gentrification".

The city that I referenced took redeveloped a block sized outdated department store and turned into smaller retail and restaurants with apartments above. No one was displaced, and it was a first step in keeping/bringing people downtown at night which in turn dramatically reduced crime rate. Kind of a classic "gentrification" development in the sense that I am familiar with the term. Associating it with the displacement of lower income families is an assumption that often is wrong.

From my perspective, for our cities to safe and productive we need to make them attractive to people. Pretty much everyone benefits from the rising tide when it is done well.

 

[EROCK CONN]

All those quotes are not Deepster. They were more than enough naysayers to get many more quotes.

BTW, the new developer is RMS out of Stamford. This is there "concept" for the north end.

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For this project, there couldn't be a better developer then RMS.

 

[whaler11]

If only Hartford had a gentrification problem. LOLOLOLOL

Gentrification > bailout by state

 

[Ewekon]

The city that I referenced took redeveloped a block sized outdated department store and turned into smaller retail and restaurants with apartments above. No one was displaced, and it was a first step in keeping/bringing people downtown at night which in turn dramatically reduced crime rate. Kind of a classic "gentrification" development in the sense that I am familiar with the term. Associating it with the displacement of lower income families is an assumption that often is wrong.

From my perspective, for our cities to safe and productive we need to make them attractive to people. Pretty much everyone benefits from the rising tide when it is done well.

Gag order on the city you aren't citing?

 

[CL82]

Gag order on the city you aren't citing?

Can't risk it. There are reasons for what CL82 does that the casual city planning fan cannot fathom. Dam may break later in September and CL82 may be able to release the county.

(PM me if you are curious)

 

[BlueMAB]

His statement appeared to be a commentary on how "gentrification" is used by Jenna Carlesso within the context of the article. It was 100% specific to Hartford.



The dictionary definition of Gentrification is "the process of renovating and improving a house or district so that it conforms to middle-class taste."

I don't know where the Parkville neighborhood is (presumably nearby). Poor job by Carlesso for not giving points of reference. Be that as it may, this particular residents wants her cake and eat it too, which is not urban improvement. It's glorified publicly subsidized housing. More of the same and why Hartford is in the condition it is.

Whatever, enjoy arguing with yourself. Pretend like gentrification never means poor people are displaced. Don’t care.

 

[BlueMAB]

The city that I referenced took redeveloped a block sized outdated department store and turned into smaller retail and restaurants with apartments above. No one was displaced, and it was a first step in keeping/bringing people downtown at night which in turn dramatically reduced crime rate. Kind of a classic "gentrification" development in the sense that I am familiar with the term. Associating it with the displacement of lower income families is an assumption that often is wrong.

From my perspective, for our cities to safe and productive we need to make them attractive to people. Pretty much everyone benefits from the rising tide when it is done well.

My point is that it does happen. I shouldn’t have used the word “inevitably”. But to people who are displaced, gentrification is certainly a dirty word. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t gentrify neighborhoods where possible. I never said that. But as much as it’s wrong to assume that it always means poor people are displaced it’s equally wrong to argue that poor people are never displaced.

https://nypost.com/2017/11/06/hipsters-are-driving-low-income-hispanics-out-of-brooklyn/

Brooklyn Is Booming. So Why Is Population Shrinking? - CityLab

 

[CL82]

Whatever, enjoy arguing with yourself. Pretend like gentrification never means poor people are displaced. Don’t care.

Uh that's the rule? If something can ever it happen it means it always happens?

Interesting.