OT: UConn 447th best party school in US; 7th in CT

[HooperScooper]

Those were the days ... Playboy, 1987

#6 UConn
#20 CCSU

Figures. A lot of my friends were there during this time. I think I helped the ranking with my visits also.

 

[Chief00]

Herbst invisions a school in which kids have no opportunity to develop street smarts or critical thinking. She seeks the book 1984 concept.

 

[8893]

Those were the days ... Playboy, 1987

#6 UConn
#20 CCSU

And I spent almost as much time at UVM because several best friends were there, so I always had a Mad River Glen pass, and I even lived there one summer during college. Yes, they were better. And iirc the last state to raise the drinking age from 18.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

1987? Hah, they lived off of well-earned reps from earlier years in the decade. Before CT's drinking age was raised to 19 about 1982, Tue or Wed nights may have included the Anonymous Pub or 1/4 barrels for hallway bowling once or Nth times weekly before kicking it up a notch at Rapps, then dorm parties, etc. Thur afternoon/night, and weekends when a few too many pseudo-commuters inexplicably went home for the weekend.

Last state(s) to raise drinking age to 21: A) Under threat of not receiving Federal highway funds and other Federal dinero, Wyoming in 1988. Or, B) Louisiana which increased it to 21 about 1987, but just didn't enforce it for several more years.

 

[MattMang23]

Louisiana which increased it to 21 about 1987, but just didn't enforce it for several more years.

Some would argue they still don't. I binge drank on Bourbon St. at 16 and was never carded.

Of course that was 17 years ago.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Some would argue they still don't. I binge drank on Bourbon St. at 16 and was never carded. Of course that was 17 years ago.

Reasonably perhaps, but shockingly to some Bourbon Street and Nawlins' in general still may not represent all of the Bayou State. Mid-80s, I have first-hand recollection of a good number of on the surface dry towns ... Baton Rouge was not included.

 

[Deadrody]

It can only be judged in the rear view mirror.
Couple of small examples:
In 1985, I paid about 76 cents for a gallon of gas, I made about 10 bucks an hour at a delivery job, and my first car cost 800 bucks and still had 50,000 or so miles of life left in it. Also, pretty much any reasonably hard working high school grad could get a blue collar job making 15 or 20 bucks an hour (and much more in some cases).
Today? Using .gov CPI (133% inflation), here are those same numbers:
Gas - 1.77 per gallon.
Wage - 23.30
Car - $1,864.
Basic HS Grad Job - $34,950 - $46,600.

You'll notice the following: Gas has gone up a lot. Wages for a delivery job have declined greatly. Used cars with good life have gone up dramatically. HS grad pay has declined substantially.

You do understand that the official CPI number specifically EXCLUDES energy prices, i.e. oil and gas ?

You also understand that the official CPI number has been manipulated into meaninglessness ?

Meanwhile, you conflate "blue collar job" with "HS grad pay". I virtually guarantee an actual blue collar job, like plumber, electrician, or welder pays the same, or even more than it did in 1985. Can you GET a job like that out of HS ? Almost definitely not, but that's a whole different story about how tons of blue collar jobs have departed, replaced by the service economy.

I'm also not sure your car purchasing experience in 1985 is representative. I bought a car in 1986, it was a 1982 Olds Omega that also had 50K left in it, maybe more. It cost $1800 at the time.

 

[Adios]

Meh, more likely to fall apart than be Utopia. Increasingly complex systems inevitably fail.

Depends on point of view. It would literally take a miracle to achieve "Utopia". I'll leave it at that.

 

[Adios]

This band can't be that good. Everyone is sitting...

People used to sit back then.

 

[intlzncster]

Depends on point of view. It would literally take a miracle to achieve "Utopia". I'll leave it at that.

I'll put it another way I guess. The more complex a system becomes the more likely it is to fail. The world is becoming increasingly complex. The odds say the experiment fails. Not in our lifetime mind you.

 

[MadDogRevival]

You do understand that the official CPI number specifically EXCLUDES energy prices, i.e. oil and gas ?

You mean Core CPI?
In any event, official CPI is less than actual inflation, so my argument is supported more by real inflation viz a viz .gov CPI.

You also understand that the official CPI number has been manipulated into meaninglessness ?

Not meaningless, but not an indication of actual inflation, I agree.

I virtually guarantee an actual blue collar job, like plumber, electrician, or welder pays the same, or even more than it did in 1985.

Unsure, but those specific "trades" are not representative of the general rate of pay for a H.S. grad entering the blue collar work force. Maid, restaurant server, delivery driver, body shop worker, auto plant worker, injection molding factory, cloth printing factory, custodian. The buying power of the money earned in the blue collar jobs in the U.S. has been eroded by wage stagnation and dollar devaluation AKA inflation.

I'm also not sure your car purchasing experience in 1985 is representative. I bought a car in 1986, it was a 1982 Olds Omega that also had 50K left in it, maybe more. It cost $1800 at the time.

4 year old car only had 50k left in it? I guess it was an Olds, so that's a real possibility, lol.

 

[Guapo]

You mean Core CPI?
In any event, official CPI is less than actual inflation, so my argument is supported more by real inflation viz a viz .gov CPI.

Not meaningless, but not an indication of actual inflation, I agree.

Unsure, but those specific "trades" are not representative of the general rate of pay for a H.S. grad entering the blue collar work force. Maid, restaurant server, delivery driver, body shop worker, auto plant worker, injection molding factory, cloth printing factory, custodian. The buying power of the money earned in the blue collar jobs in the U.S. has been eroded by wage stagnation and dollar devaluation AKA inflation.


4 year old car only had 50k left in it? I guess it was an Olds, so that's a real possibility, lol.

Many of those jobs (factory worker, welder, machanic etc) require some post high school education nowadays.

 

[Adios]

I'll put it another way I guess. The more complex a system becomes the more likely it is to fail. The world is becoming increasingly complex. The odds say the experiment fails. Not in our lifetime mind you.

I have a degree in IT, thank you. It actually doesn't have to be that hard to create a database that covers every person. We're getting there as we type.

 

[intlzncster]

I have a degree in IT, thank you. It actually doesn't have to be that hard to create a database that covers every person. We're getting there as we type.

You got the right thread/post? I'm not making any connection to what I posted haha

 

[Adios]

You got the right thread/post? I'm not making any connection to what I posted haha

"Complex system" = technocracy.

Nevermind. Forgot to avoid Boneyard debates.

 

[intlzncster]

"Complex system" = technocracy.

Nevermind. Forgot to avoid Boneyard debates.

When I meant complex system, I was referring to the number of people in the world, the interconnections of the global economy, mountainous bureaucracy, number being lifted out of poverty, resulting pollution and resource drain, the affect of the internet and instant communication...etc etc. All of it.

 

[MadDogRevival]

I have a degree in IT, thank you. It actually doesn't have to be that hard to create a database that covers every person. We're getting there as we type.

Before things fall apart completely, there is zero doubt that we'll all be uniquely identifiable immediately upon contact with LEOs. DNA, Retina, Fingerprint, or just plain old facial recognition. Pocket supercomputers (smartphones) already have facial recognition.
Around the 1970s the computer and genetic engineering both started to take off. Here we are 48 years or so later and children walk around with super computers in their pockets and we are knocking on the door to genetically modified humans (a la Gattica).
There is little doubt that biometrics will be used as a normal, everyday ID at some point in the near future.
And why not? Almost everybody is content to have Google/Apple/NSA/Facebook know everything about them. Snowden, Assange, Facebook datasnooping and sales - it just doesn't matter. Few people, if any, care about privacy sufficiently to slow the avalanche.
At some point soon you'll walk into whole foods, pick your stuff up, and use your face as your ID to have the money debited from your account.

And as for a DBase that has all Americans in it - or darn close - I'd be shocked if it doesn't exist in a non-public form already.
With AI and time, it will continue to improve, until a camera set in Times Square can uniquely identify everybody passing closely enough.

How long before a Farenheit 451 Boston Robotics dog arrives at your door and requests a bio scan (a la Minority Report) in order to determine the location of a fugitive?

Not long.

 

[Adios]

When I meant complex system, I was referring to the number of people in the world, the interconnections of the global economy, mountainous bureaucracy, number being lifted out of poverty, resulting pollution and resource drain, the affect of the internet and instant communication...etc etc. All of it.

Trends favor addressing everything you've mentioned.

So....back to UConn being a party school, where were we?! We need it to become like A Clockwork Orange again, we were saying?!? SEC schools (especially their football programs) are already living that lifestyle.

 

[ZenConn]

Those were the days ... Playboy, 1987

#6 UConn
#20 CCSU

Wow. This is rare. We have a page of an old Playboy without it being stuck to another page.

 

[UConnNick]

1987? Hah, they lived off of well-earned reps from earlier years in the decade. Before CT's drinking age was raised to 19 about 1982, Tue or Wed nights may have included the Anonymous Pub or 1/4 barrels for hallway bowling once or Nth times weekly before kicking it up a notch at Rapps, then dorm parties, etc. Thur afternoon/night, and weekends when a few too many pseudo-commuters inexplicably went home for the weekend.

Last state(s) to raise drinking age to 21: A) Under threat of not receiving Federal highway funds and other Federal dinero, Wyoming in 1988. Or, B) Louisiana which increased it to 21 about 1987, but just didn't enforce it for several more years.

They served my son a Hurricane at Pat O'Brien's restaurant on Bourbon St. in NOLA, which we didn't order. We thought it was a virgin. It wasn't. That was in 2001 when we were there for the NCAAs. He was 15. They don't care much about enforcing any drinking age in Louisiana.

 

[UConnNick]

Reasonably perhaps, but shockingly to some Bourbon Street and Nawlins' in general still may not represent all of the Bayou State. Mid-80s, I have first-hand recollection of a good number of on the surface dry towns ... Baton Rouge was not included.

Ruston, where LA Tech is, was still a dry town as recently as the early 2000's when we attended a UCONN game there. A guy I worked with that graduated from LA Tech in the late 70's talked about having to drive over to Grambling to buy beer. Grambling is only about 7 miles from Ruston. After two home and away contracts, Geno said after the second game there that he was never going back, since there's no place to get a drink in Ruston.