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I don't have any idea how those cars operate or behave and am dead certain that anyone here who pretends to is talking out of their asses.

I have no idea what happened in that video aside from it just being horrific.
 
I will not watch the video, but if everyone easily got past the guy except for the guy he collided with, it is a little suspicious. Remember these guys are professional drivers. I'm sure a better effort could have been made to avoid running someone over. Rage makes people do crazy things.
 
I dont buy stewart 'lost control'. the guy had mulitple cars drive by him that actually slowed down. he was on the track standing up for a good 8-10 seconds. stewart isn't driving blind folded. All this coupled with the fact thats its already been noted stewart is a maniac, he was probably trying to intimidate him/ come close to clipping him.
 
There's a pretty big difference between being a guy who mixes it up on and off the track (Stewart) and intentionally trying to clip a guy with your car on the track.

A lot of people on here have no clue about these cars or what happened basedon the video. Realize you're accusing Stewart of murder by making some if these statements.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
There's a pretty big difference between being a guy who mixes it up on and off the track (Stewart) and intentionally trying to clip a guy with your car on the track.

A lot of people on here have no clue about these cars or what happened basedon the video. Realize you're accusing Stewart of murder by making some if these statements.
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More like vehicular manslaughter, the more I watch the video the more it seems clear to me that Stewart intentionally got close to Ward and accelerated to scare him and things went horribly wrong. they both made terrible choices but I think it's pretty clear Stewart could have avoided him.
 
For someone that watches all forms of racing regularly, in order to steer the sprint cars accelerating and whipping it into the turn is the fastest way to turn the car. They aren't like normal cars - the inside rear tire is much smaller than the outside, so in order to get a quick snap turn, you need to slam on the gas and yank the wheel to get the car sideways.

Tony went to avoid him, but Ward kept charging at him. Regardless both drivers up and are equally held responsible. No way Ward should have gotten out of his car. I know it happens from time to time, but its never advised nor is it safe. But I think Tony's racing career is over - sponsors will want to stay away.
 
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intlzncster said:
Well most people don't accelerate into a guy walking around the track. They try to break, and, I don't know, actually avoid the guy in question?
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He's also got about a million other things going on besides some moron juking in to oncoming racing traffic. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't see the guy until the last second and kinda panicked, which makes it look like he was for some f-cked-up reason aiming for him.
 
Rocktheworld said:
He's also got about a million other things going on besides some moron juking in to oncoming racing traffic. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't see the guy until the last second and kinda panicked, which makes it look like he was for some f-cked-up reason aiming for him.
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You don't think he saw him, seriously?
 
I don't think he saw him either...until the last second. He's coming around a left turn with a car in front of him so his line of sight to the right side of the track where Ward was is obstructed.
 
intlzncster said:
Stewart makes no attempt to miss the guy, and even turns into him a little.
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You clearly have an axe to grind or you are unreasonable.
The video posted in this thread - the only one I've seen on the Net so far - pans away from the guy who got hit right before Stewart's car gets there, and so we only see a split second of Stewart before he has reached the guy. It's not even just unreasonable - it's ridiculous - to say that "he makes no attempt to miss the guy." You'd have to have a lot more video to see the path he was on.
Your conclusion here is UNREASONABLE.

intlzncster said:
Other drivers had no problem missing the guy.
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He stayed up near his car until just before Stewart came around. He only started moving down the track a few cars in front of Stewart. So, really, only a car or two had to avoid the guy, and, of course, it was Stewart he wanted to go after, so he may have been even closer to Stewart's car - hard to see.
Your conclusion here is UNREASONABLE.

intlzncster said:
When there's a wreck on top, you drop the to the bottom.
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Sounds reasonable. But your implication is that Stewart was intentionally "high". Problem is, that track didn't look 4 cars wide. The guy's wreck was at the top. He was occupying the second width from the top. The car that passed before Stewart was in the 2nd spot. Stewart looked about 2 or 3 feet higher than that.
It's UNREASONABLE to imply that Stewart was "high" on the track inappropriately. He was about in the middle, and a least a car and half's width from the wreck. The problem was the idiot running around in the middle of the track.


Point is this. You are emotional/irrational about this. Not sure why. But when you make claims like "he didn't try to steer away from the guy" and all we have is 1/10th of a second of his driving path, it makes it clear that you want this guy guilty of murder no matter what.

In any event, I think it's not impossible that Stewart intentionally boarded the guy. Then intentionally drove close to him to try to give him the big Screw U. Heck, I even think it's possible, although unlikely, that he tried to hit the dude to send a message. Jeez - it's even possible that he tried to kill the guy.

But the evidence we have doesn't come close to supporting that claim, unless we're living in medieval England and the King had money on the dead guy.

What NASCAR should say about this is: "we sorry we've been remiss in our duty to protect our drivers. After today, getting out of your car unless there is a [color] flag out is an automatic 1 year ban."

What they will say is something about unfortunate accident, we'll review the rules, implement one a few days to weeks or months later that purports to solve the problem, and clear Stewart. Bank it.
 
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I saw the Video.
it's Disturbing to say the least.

bottom line is, You can't get out of your car and walk around on the track.
while cars are still racing.
No One but Tony Himself, Knows what his intentions were.
 
Every time you throttle the engine with those cars you fish tail. To me Stewart was trying to scare the kid by accelerating and fish tailing towards him to make a point and he accidentally clipped and killed him
 
Husky15 said:
Every time you throttle the engine with those cars you fish tail. To me Stewart was trying to scare the kid by accelerating and fish tailing towards him to make a point and he accidentally clipped and killed him
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Pretty much - spray dirt on him, but he sprayed dead on him instead.
 
Horrific event, no doubt.
Ward clearly gets out of his car and deliberately maneuvers to get directly in front of Stewart's car as it is coming around (he even appears to slide left and right a bit, to better get in position).
I didn't see any video that showed Stewart's car before the impact, but commentators did mention that he was driving faster than the specified speed for a caution condition.
Guess we will have to let the incident be fully investigated in order for a full resolution, but from what I saw Ward clearly was very reckless in what he did and Stewart cannot be completely blameless if he was exceeding the specified speed.
 
Husky15 said:
To me Stewart was trying to scare the kid by accelerating and fish tailing towards him to make a point and he accidentally clipped and killed him
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What is your evidence for this? The only video out there doesn't show any "fishtailing" until after Stewart's car passes the guy, and that fishtail is away from the guy, not toward him. If the ass end of Stewart's car was, in fact, fishtailing toward the kid right before the camera pans back - which is just speculation - then isn't equally likely that Stewart was trying to cut hard left to avoid the guy, and that's what caused the fish tail?

Jesus. This thread shows exactly why so many innocent people end up in jails in the US - people make up their minds about guilt way too quickly, and then rely on dodgy observations to surmise guilt.
 
Strummer said:
What is your evidence for this? The only video out there doesn't show any "fishtailing" until after Stewart's car passes the guy, and that fishtail is away from the guy, not toward him. If the ass end of Stewart's car was, in fact, fishtailing toward the kid right before the camera pans back - which is just speculation - then isn't equally likely that Stewart was trying to cut hard left to avoid the guy, and that's what caused the fish tail?

Jesus. This thread shows exactly why so many innocent people end up in jails in the US - people make up their minds about guilt way too quickly, and then rely on dodgy observations to surmise guilt.
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You sure seem to have made up your mind on Stewart's innocence too quickly and have stated things as facts when they are your opinions.
 
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superjohn said:
You sure seem to have made up your mind on Stewart's innocence too quickly and have stated things as facts when they are your opinions.
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Strummer can absolutely rub people the wrong way, but in this case he's absolutely correct. Stewart is currently innocent according to our system and the video evidence is so non conclusive that any other conclusion is driven by emotions, dislike, or some other reaction that isn't allowed in our system. If evidence is found to the contrary, that could change and he has clearly stated that earlier in the thread.
 
Rocktheworld said:
You know there's this pesky thing called "innocent until proven guilty"
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In theory yes but our justice system often gets it wrong. My problem is people stating things as facts from the videotape that I don't see as facts, it comes down to interpretation. The only fact is that Ward was on the track out of his car, he was hit by Stewarts car and died. It looks to me that Stewart tries to buzz the guy and gets too close, Ward certainly lost his cool and never should have been on the track, I also think Stewart lost his cool and drove too fast and close to him, this crash never should have happened. As far as the investigation, I just hope everything is covered and there is a fair conclusion.
 
I'm on Strummer's side. All he's saying is that a lot of people are making a lot of comments that are based entirely on supposition.

I could say "he clearly was behind a car that was shielding his view" and if I had the burden of proof, I'd fail. Just like everyone who's saying he purposely accelerated into the guy -- or tried to clip him, or "definitely" saw him -- fails.

You can't tell jack squat from the video. Other than the facts that Ward was wearing black and walked onto a racetrack.
 
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superjohn said:
You sure seem to have made up your mind on Stewart's innocence too quickly and have stated things as facts when they are your opinions.
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He didn't say Stewart is innocent. He's presuming his innocence. Big difference.

It looks like you're backtracking a little but one of you is saying what's in the video and the other person is interpreting what's in the video and speculating about what's not in the video.
 
I think stewart did consciously speed up and drive close to him to scare the kid.
 
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superjohn said:
In theory yes but our justice system often gets it wrong. My problem is people stating things as facts from the videotape that I don't see as facts, it comes down to interpretation. The only fact is that Ward was on the track out of his car, he was hit by Stewarts car and died. It looks to me that Stewart tries to buzz the guy and gets too close, Ward certainly lost his cool and never should have been on the track, I also think Stewart lost his cool and drove too fast and close to him, this crash never should have happened. As far as the investigation, I just hope everything is covered and there is a fair conclusion.
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Good post. That's where I'm at.
 
Anytime a NASCAR champion can spend his Saturday evening sticking 20 year old amatures into walls...
 
nomar said:
He didn't say Stewart is innocent. He's presuming his innocence. Big difference.

It looks like you're backtracking a little but one of you is saying what's in the video and the other person is interpreting what's in the video and speculating about what's not in the video.
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Huh, you lost me?
 
Strummer said:
I'd rather watch The View than Nascar, so I don't have any horse in this race.

It's completely, unequivocally silly to even mention criminal charges in this matter.

Here are the facts:

Dude wearing black outfit and black helmet gets onto dark track and puts himself into the potential path of oncoming vehicles, which he knows are there.

He intentionally puts himself into close proximity with a car driver.

He is hit and killed by that driver.

The video doesn't show Stewart "speeding up" or "driving at him." If anything, he was worried about hitting this Darwinian Exhibit A and steered left, causing his ass end to kick out right.

No reasonable person could conclude, beyond a reasonable doubt, or even close to that standard, that Stewart intentionally or recklessly hit this idiot.

Not to be put too blunt a tip on it - but you either have an axe to grind against this guy or you're not a reasonable person if you look at this and think that this is criminal liability here.

And this is what is scary about the justice system - get a DA looking for exposure or a LEO with no common sense and maybe they start the process and this becomes a huge waste of everybody's time.
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You are correct, but it is too early to say if Stewart did or didn't contribute to the accident. Tony is a legendary hot head who has on numerous occasions been the guy stalking a racecar on foot after a crash. I wouldn't believe he was hot enough to actually hit the guy on purpose, but if you told me that he was hot enough to attemt put a scare into a 20 yr old local coming at him after banging fenders with him, misjudging the reactions of an unfamiliar car at an unfamiliar track and accidently clipped the kid with his open wheel tire. Yeah, I think that is within the realm of possibility. I don't think that's what occurred necessarily
 
Can you guys believe that names like Tony Stewart still race in races like this??
 
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