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upstater said:
This ref meme is the funniest one of all.

The Jaguars had 5 more penalties than the Patriots.

4 of them were pre-snap penalties!!!! Delay of game, illegal motion, false start, etc.!!!

So we're talking about the pass interference only, but yet people like you will bring up 6-1 in penalties!
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The biggest one was a wrong call, no PI on the sideline pass to Cooks - no brainer too. 2 guys fighting each other, guess where the fall went? LOL in a very important time nonetheless.

They earned no bitch here but have some fun, it's funny don't be so defensive that label has been earned a little too.
 
mauconnfan said:
The biggest one was a wrong call, no PI on the sideline pass to Cooks - no brainer too. 2 guys fighting each other, guess where the fall went? LOL in a very important time nonetheless.

They earned no bitch here but have some fun, it's funny don't be so defensive that label has been earned a little too.
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You guys are the ones so upset, you're not having fun at all. You think I'm not having fun?

So the meme comes down to one bad PI call that happens every week? Really?

And you know that if the shoe were on the other foot with Lewis's fumble, people would be screaming everywhere that he was down with control. That play was the equivalent of the Seferian-Jenkins play.
 
That actually was interference on Bayou near the end of the half you can't grab the guys arm the officials got that one right. It was a dumb penalty because he was running stride for stride with Cooks. The Jags got the turnover but couldn't capitalize off of it not only that but a quick 3 and out, so its as if the turnover never happened.
 
upstater said:
You guys are the ones so upset, you're not having fun at all. You think I'm not having fun?

So the meme comes down to one bad PI call that happens every week? Really?

And you know that if the shoe were on the other foot with Lewis's fumble, people would be screaming everywhere that he was down with control. That play was the equivalent of the Seferian-Jenkins play.
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He had no control it was the right call, no one could argue that one not a good analogy.

Dude I said a positive thing about Brady then threw a very funny meme in, I'm good they won they're damn good and one coach, who is the best went in at the half and adjusted defensively like he does, great win. Jags put up a fight I enjoyed the game, no skin in it. Now for the only time in history I will root for the Eagles, man that just sounds wrong.
 
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It's truly enjoyable watching the Pats kick ass year after year.
 
Here are the last 8 seasons. They're 38-10 against the AFC East. They won the division all 8 years. Got a bye every year and played nothing but home playoff games except for 2 AFC Title games (which they lost both).

If you can't say that the mediocrity of this division hasn't helped their cause, you're either a) not smart or b) making an outright choice to refuse facts, data and logic.

2017 = 5-1 (1st rd bye + 2 home games – SB appearance)
2016 = 5-1 (1st rd bye + 2 home games – SB appearance)
2015 = 4-2 (1st rd bye + 1 home game – Loss in AFCC @Denver)
2014 = 4-2 (1st rd bye + 2 home games – SB appearance)
2013 = 4-2 (1st rd bye + 1 home game – Loss in AFCC @Denver)
2012 = 6-0 (1st rd bye + 1 home game – Loss in AFCC at home against Baltimore)
2011 = 5-1 (1st rd bye + 2 home games – SB appearance)
2010 = 5-1 (1st rd bye + 1 home game – Loss at home against NY Jets)
 
Deepster said:
Here are the last 8 seasons. They're 38-10 against the AFC East. They won the division all 8 years. Got a bye every year and played nothing but home playoff games except for 2 AFC Title games (which they lost both).

If you can't say that the mediocrity of this division hasn't helped their cause, you're either a) not smart or b) making an outright choice to refuse facts, data and logic.

2017 = 5-1 (1st rd bye + 2 home games – SB appearance)
2016 = 5-1 (1st rd bye + 2 home games – SB appearance)
2015 = 4-2 (1st rd bye + 1 home game – Loss in AFCC @Denver)
2014 = 4-2 (1st rd bye + 2 home games – SB appearance)
2013 = 4-2 (1st rd bye + 1 home game – Loss in AFCC @Denver)
2012 = 6-0 (1st rd bye + 1 home game – Loss in AFCC at home against Baltimore)
2011 = 5-1 (1st rd bye + 2 home games – SB appearance)
2010 = 5-1 (1st rd bye + 1 home game – Loss at home against NY Jets)
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And this from a J E T S fan
 
The Pats aren't lucky that the division sucks, it's because of the Pats that the division sucks. Decent coaches won't take jobs in the AFC East because they don't want to face BB twice a year. The home games are well deserved, a reward for consistent excellence.
 
mauconnfan said:
He had no control it was the right call, no one could argue that one not a good analogy.

Dude I said a positive thing about Brady then threw a very funny meme in, I'm good they won they're damn good and one coach, who is the best went in at the half and adjusted defensively like he does, great win. Jags put up a fight I enjoyed the game, no skin in it. Now for the only time in history I will root for the Eagles, man that just sounds wrong.
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I didn't say it wasn't the right call. I'm just referring to the overall loser mentality of most NFL fans. It was exactly like ASF of the Jets. Fumbled it, grabbed it while on the ground, but only for a second. Not a TD.
 
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Deepster said:
Here are the last 8 seasons. They're 38-10 against the AFC East. They won the division all 8 years. Got a bye every year and played nothing but home playoff games except for 2 AFC Title games (which they lost both).

If you can't say that the mediocrity of this division hasn't helped their cause, you're either a) not smart or b) making an outright choice to refuse facts, data and logic.

2017 = 5-1 (1st rd bye + 2 home games – SB appearance)
2016 = 5-1 (1st rd bye + 2 home games – SB appearance)
2015 = 4-2 (1st rd bye + 1 home game – Loss in AFCC @Denver)
2014 = 4-2 (1st rd bye + 2 home games – SB appearance)
2013 = 4-2 (1st rd bye + 1 home game – Loss in AFCC @Denver)
2012 = 6-0 (1st rd bye + 1 home game – Loss in AFCC at home against Baltimore)
2011 = 5-1 (1st rd bye + 2 home games – SB appearance)
2010 = 5-1 (1st rd bye + 1 home game – Loss at home against NY Jets)
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Their dynasty has been going on for 17 years, but even using the last 8 seasons as a starting point, they are worse against their division than the rest of the NFL.

80.2% against the rest of the league.
77.5% against the AFCE.

The division may be horrible. The rest of the NFL is even worse.

So how are they helped if they have a worse record against the division?

If they were out of their division, clearly they'd have a better record (especially agains the AFC North, which is the example you gave earlier, since they are 79% against the Steelers and Ravens, & would get 2 automatic wins against the Browns).
 
Waquoit said:
Anyone else think the Jags made a mistake by sitting on the ball at the end of the 1st half. They had enough time and TO's to try for a FG. To be the man you have to beat the man, not turtle.
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In the playoff games against the Bills and Steelers, Jacksonville was aggressive, going for it on 4th and goal and scoring TDs in both cases. Yesterday, with 55 seconds left in the half and 2 TOs, Marrone gets as conservative as possible and lets the clock run to end the half. Obviously, it's a different situation being on your own 25 versus being on the opponent's 1 yard line, but you would think, given what was at stake, you would try at least one play to see if you could pick up 10-15 yards.

Also, on the possession before that, Marrone basically gave the Patriots an extra time out when he punted with the clock running before the 2 minute warning. He could have let the clock go to the 2 minute warning, then punted and left New England with a little less time and only one TO to work with. Marrone deserves credit for getting the team into the playoffs and to the AFCCG, but he wasn't at his sharpest at the end of the first half.
 
Deepster said:
Here are the last 8 seasons. They're 38-10 against the AFC East. They won the division all 8 years. Got a bye every year and played nothing but home playoff games except for 2 AFC Title games (which they lost both).

If you can't say that the mediocrity of this division hasn't helped their cause, you're either a) not smart or b) making an outright choice to refuse facts, data and logic.

2017 = 5-1 (1st rd bye + 2 home games – SB appearance)
2016 = 5-1 (1st rd bye + 2 home games – SB appearance)
2015 = 4-2 (1st rd bye + 1 home game – Loss in AFCC @Denver)
2014 = 4-2 (1st rd bye + 2 home games – SB appearance)
2013 = 4-2 (1st rd bye + 1 home game – Loss in AFCC @Denver)
2012 = 6-0 (1st rd bye + 1 home game – Loss in AFCC at home against Baltimore)
2011 = 5-1 (1st rd bye + 2 home games – SB appearance)
2010 = 5-1 (1st rd bye + 1 home game – Loss at home against NY Jets)
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That means they were:
2017 = 8-2
2016 = 9-1
2015 = 8-2
2014 = 8-2
2013 = 8-2
2012 = 6-4
2011 = 8-2
2010 = 9-1

Against non-division opponents, for an .800 win%. .791% vs division in same time span. There is a choice C.
 
upstater said:
Yep, the Patriots are all on steroids. That must be it.
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Who said steroids?

Let me ask a question that I honestly don't know the answer to. Are teams urine tested immediately after the superbowl? Playoff games? They should be, for the sake of the players' health.
 
mauconnfan said:
The biggest one was a wrong call, no PI on the sideline pass to Cooks - no brainer too. 2 guys fighting each other, guess where the fall went? LOL in a very important time nonetheless.

They earned no bitch here but have some fun, it's funny don't be so defensive that label has been earned a little too.
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Actually the biggest call that screwed Jax was the fumble blown dead. That was a touchdown taken off the board.
 
upstater said:
New Haven here. I grew up with a ton of Patriots fans in my neighborhood, since 1976 for me. We used to drive up to Foxboro for games in the 1980s, all of us high school kids.

The Giants were the most popular, Jets were scattered.

NBC had those AFC games in the past, and the Patriots were on TV like clockwork.
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I was the only Patriots fan I knew in Fairfield Prep in the late 80s and early 90s, that I can recall. Everyone else was a Giants, Jets or some bandwagon team fan.
 
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upstater said:
Their dynasty has been going on for 17 years, but even using the last 8 seasons as a starting point, they are worse against their division than the rest of the NFL.

80.2% against the rest of the league.
77.5% against the AFCE.

The division may be horrible. The rest of the NFL is even worse.

So how are they helped if they have a worse record against the division?

If they were out of their division, clearly they'd have a better record (especially agains the AFC North, which is the example you gave earlier, since they are 79% against the Steelers and Ravens, & would get 2 automatic wins against the Browns).
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The record outside of the division is different year to year. Different opponents, harder/easier road games, more indoor or outdoor games, weather, etc. The division is a constant and, every single year, they get a boost other teams don't get. It's that simple.
 
Butch said:
I was the only Patriots fan I knew in Fairfield Prep in the late 80s and early 90s, that I can recall. Everyone else was a Giants, Jets or some bandwagon team fan.
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You were well west of me. I don't doubt it. Lots of Red Sox fans in my neighborhood as well.
 
Deepster said:
The record outside of the division is different year to year. Different opponents, harder/easier road games, more indoor or outdoor games, weather, etc. The division is a constant and, every single year, they get a boost other teams don't get. It's that simple.
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It's exactly the opposite of what you say. By finishing first, you play the top teams in the other divisions, and miss the perennially crud teams. When you occasionally have a bad year, you get a break on the schedule. That's when you get the Clevelands.

I mean, I am astounded how you're even arguing this when their record is just better against those other teams.

I'll say it again. You gave me an example of the Ravens and Steelers as a kind of tough division. And the Patriots record against these teams is better than against the AFCE. They play these teams every year. They played Denver every year. They used to play Indianapolis each and every year. The NFL schedule means the top teams will play each other each and every year.
 
Rocktheworld said:
Actually the biggest call that screwed Jax was the fumble blown dead. That was a touchdown taken off the board.
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A touchdown? Deion ran that ball 30 odd yards downfield. If the play isn't blown dead, you think the other 7 or 8 Patriot players downfield aren't stopping a lineman from running it back?
 
upstater said:
A touchdown? Deion ran that ball 30 odd yards downfield. If the play isn't blown dead, you think the other 7 or 8 Patriot players downfield aren't stopping a lineman from running it back?
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Lol. It's pretty clear you didn't watch the game.
 
Deepster said:
The record outside of the division is different year to year. Different opponents, harder/easier road games, more indoor or outdoor games, weather, etc. The division is a constant and, every single year, they get a boost other teams don't get. It's that simple.
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Non-division opponents are known by the end of the previous regular season. Any given team plays their division members twice. 8 games are then comprised of one entire division from their own conference and one from the opposite, on a rotating basis. The final two games are vs. conference opponents in the same finishing position in the two division the team is not already playing. That means the Patriots play division winners from the previous year.

The Patriots strength of schedule for 2010 to 2017 is:

2010 - 6
2011 - 15
2012 - 21
2013 - 12
2014 - 10
2015 - 22
2016 - 9
2017 - 12

Only twice was New England's SoS in the lower half of the league and they went 12-4 both times.
 
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superjohn said:
Lol. It's pretty clear you didn't watch the game.
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After watching the replay, there were a number of guys behind the play. But all of them stopped running at the whistle, when Jack was still lying on his back. He got up and ran after the whistle blew. He would have gotten yards, but highly likely knocked out of bounds 10-15 yards down field.
 
upstater said:
This ref meme is the funniest one of all.

The Jaguars had 5 more penalties than the Patriots.

4 of them were pre-snap penalties!!!! Delay of game, illegal motion, false start, etc.!!!

So we're talking about the pass interference only, but yet people like you will bring up 6-1 in penalties!
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Are you going to tell me with a straight face that the Patriots committed zero penalties on offense or defense all game?

Off the top of my head there was the obvious holding ignored on the 3rd and 9 run that ended the game.
 
Waquoit said:
The Pats aren't lucky that the division sucks, it's because of the Pats that the division sucks. Decent coaches won't take jobs in the AFC East because they don't want to face BB twice a year. The home games are well deserved, a reward for consistent excellence.
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Except the one this year where HFA was decided by the refs overturning a touchdown in Pittsburgh. Consider this:

If the touchdown stands, PIT wraps up home field with 2 weeks to go.

NE gets Jacksonville at home in the divisional round. Then has to go to Pittsburgh for the AFCCG.

Much different story.
 
intlzncster said:
After watching the replay, there were a number of guys behind the play. But all of them stopped running at the whistle, when Jack was still lying on his back. He got up and ran after the whistle blew. He would have gotten yards, but highly likely knocked out of bounds 10-15 yards down field.
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He had a clear path, It was only linemen and Brady near the center of the field. Jack had the whole sideline. Never should have been whistled dead, only thing could have been down by contact which I'm pretty sure he wasn't. Refs knew it was a fumble, you let it play out and go to the monitor after the score. This was another horribly officiated game benefitting the Patriots.
 
Tenspro2002 said:
Are you going to tell me with a straight face that the Patriots committed zero penalties on offense or defense all game?

Off the top of my head there was the obvious holding ignored on the 3rd and 9 run that ended the game.
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Some blatant holds by Pats in 4th and 2 big PI no calls.
 
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