OT: Tom Brady GOAT

[mauconnfan]

Try Louis Riddick on ESPN. Jeez... Can't believe you're crying over one 50/50 call.

If the shoe were reversed, you know there'd be tons of "controversy" over the Lewis fumble.

No there wouldn't that wasn't close you don't have control with the bottom of your hand and wrist you kidding me, it's a damn fumble no question? LOL I'm not crying could care less, it's just a crappy call that's all.

 

[upstater]

No there wouldn't that wasn't close you don't have control with the bottom of your hand and wrist you kidding me, it's a damn fumble no question? LOL I'm not crying could care less, it's just a crappy call that's all.

It's a 50/50 call, but by the book it was right. Both hands pushing him out of bounds, not looking at the ball.
It doesn't mean it has to be called. You can essentially reward the defender for getting good position on the WR by not calling it, but he takes things into his own hands when he uses both to push out of bounds without his head turned. Doesn't matter though, there were some bad PIs against Jax that were ignored. Like the Hogan call when Ramsey was all over his back long before the ball got there.

About your explanation of the Lewis fumble, that was exactly what happened with Seferian-Jenkins, and there was a ton of controversy.

All this bluster for one iff 50/50 call. Unreal.

 

[mauconnfan]

It's a 50/50 call, but by the book it was right. Both hands pushing him out of bounds, not looking at the ball.
It doesn't mean it has to be called. You can essentially reward the defender for getting good position on the WR by not calling it, but he takes things into his own hands when he uses both to push out of bounds without his head turned. Doesn't matter though, there were some bad PIs against Jax that were ignored. Like the Hogan call when Ramsey was all over his back long before the ball got there.

About your explanation of the Lewis fumble, that was exactly what happened with Seferian-Jenkins, and there was a ton of controversy.

All this bluster for one iff 50/50 call. Unreal.

Of course there were a lot of Jacksonville calls that were missed LOL, Pats had ONE. Hilarious

 

[upstater]

Of course there were a lot of Jacksonville calls that were missed LOL, Pats had ONE. Hilarious

What are you crying about now?

Did you watch the game?

Did you even notice that the refs let them play and didn't call holding (only holding call all game was against the Patriots)?

The rest were PI and pre-snap penalties.

You're talking about one 50/50 call! That's it. The refs didn't call any holding.

It's Jax's fault if they don't know how to lineup or figure out the play clock. AFTER a timeout no less. You're making excuses.

 

[Husky25]

I'm not crying could care less, it's just a crappy call that's all.

Yes you are and you couldn't care more.

Otherwise why do you get involved in virtually every single thread vis a vie Boston sports teams? You want people to tell you you are correct. Sometimes you are. In this case you are not.

 

[mauconnfan]

Yes you are and you couldn't care more.

Otherwise why do you get involved in virtually every single thread vis a vie Boston sports teams? You want people to tell you you are correct. Sometimes you are. In this case you are not.

They are the only games being played. Talk about the Eagles game? I will throw my 2 cents in. Geez you guys are lame sometimes. It was a huge call in a huge game. If you were so sure you and upstater would stop replying and I'd go away happily. Oh I will anyway, have fun good luck sincerely I mean it to both of you, as a fan of teams it's great to win, I hope you get that sweet smell of the roses again.

But if there are any questionable calls I will be here Monday ok? LOL

 

[boba]

You said they use their division for an easy bye and home field advantage. The stats show otherwise. They use their overall dominance to get the bye and home field advantage. Swap them with the top team in any other AFC division every year and they win that division as well and get the bye and home field advantage every year and with a better record. They consistently beat the top teams in the conference every year. Their conference is not the easy stepping stone you claim.

I'm not sure why you let your agenda get in the way that they are simply the best franchise by far in the Brady era.

At some point in time you reach the conclusion:
Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired - J. Swift.

 

[ctchamps]

At some point in time you reach the conclusion:
Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired - J. Swift.

After slogging through this entire thread you needed to quote someone to make this point?

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

You're 100% wrong. Brady was suspended because of the other 31 owners believing the NFL goes soft on the Patriots. Your ignorant "rant" and the fact that they get next to no penalties called against them at home proved them correct.

You may proceed with your ignorant retort filled with insults.

You sound mad. That makes me happy.

 

[mauconnfan]

Yes you are and you couldn't care more.

Otherwise why do you get involved in virtually every single thread vis a vie Boston sports teams? You want people to tell you you are correct. Sometimes you are. In this case you are not.

Just glad to hear sometimes, hell I didn't even think that 25.

 

[jleves]

No. No stats show otherwise.

Well now that you explained it that way, I agree.

 

[DefCONNOne]

You sound mad. That makes me happy.

Mad about what? That the NFL isn't really looking to screw over the Patriots every chance they get? Or that Brady was only suspended because the other 31 owners believed, rightly so, the the NFL is Charmin soft on the Patriots?

 

[upstater]

Mad about what? That the NFL isn't really looking to screw over the Patriots every chance they get? Or that Brady was only suspended because the other 31 owners believed, rightly so, the the NFL is Charmin soft on the Patriots?

Until this Sunday, the Patriots had more penalties called against them at home this year than penalties called against the visiting team. After Sunday, visitors have had 2 more penalties called against them on the season.

 

[TheRealKBuks]

The amount of sour grapes in this thread is hilarious. Remember you people are adults...Tom Brady is the GOAT no matter how much you wish he wasn't. Get over it

 

[The X Man]

A little OT but looking forward to The Two Bills debuting Thursday night on ESPN. Should be good stuff for both Pats & Giant fans.

‘The Two Bills’ doesn’t shy away from touchy subjects

 

[Tenspro2002]

Until this Sunday, the Patriots had more penalties called against them at home this year than penalties called against the visiting team. After Sunday, visitors have had 2 more penalties called against them on the season.

I'd be very curious to know what the net Win Probability Added is for those penalties.

I suspect the Patriots come out well ahead at home or on the road.

 

[upstater]

I'd be very curious to know what the net Win Probability Added is for those penalties.

I suspect the Patriots come out well ahead at home or on the road.

The most penalized teams in the league have more wins than the least penalized.

Some of the least penalized teams will be drafting 1-10.

 

[upstater]

A Brady and Manning comparison as of end of 2014 season.

• Brady in a dome: 67.4%, 8.64 YPA, 6.9 TD%, 2.62% INT, 106.42 rating
• Manning in a dome: 66.16%, 7.8 YPA, 6.1% TD, 2.4% INT, 99.72 rating

Brady versus Manning overall:

• Brady: 63.5% completions, 7.4 YPA, 5.5% TDs, 2.0% INTs, 96.1 rating
• Manning: 65.5% completions, 7.7 YPA, 5.9% TDs, 2.6% INTs, 97.7 rating

Brady versus Manning % of games outdoors:

• Brady: 92% of his games outdoors (185 of 202)
• Manning: 49% of his games outdoors (122 of 248)

 

[Travelman6]

Nah. Michael Jordan and Gretzky come to mind as better examples of GOAT. Just to name two.

 

[polycom]

Nah. Michael Jordan and Gretzky come to mind as better examples of GOAT. Just to name two.

How are they better examples?

 

[upstater]

How are they better examples?

Jordan maybe. I still take Jordan over Lebron. But as much as I loved the Oilers, I'd take Lemieux over Gretzky (never saw Orr play).

 

[jibsey]

Who was more dominant in their sport Brady or Babe Ruth? Not even close, the Babe.

 

[Adios]

Who was more dominant in their sport Brady or Babe Ruth? Not even close, the Babe.

If Brady wins one (or two) more, he'll be the Babe Ruth of football.

 

[Travelman6]

If Brady wins one (or two) more, he'll be the Babe Ruth of football.

Minus the gut and rampant partying. But the babe WAS a good player.

 

[upstater]

Minus the gut and rampant partying. But the babe WAS a good player.

The two had something in common too. Not only did they start their careers in Boston, but... they played with dead balls!

 

[Scoe]

Minus the gut and rampant partying. But the babe WAS a good player.

Exactly that right there is why no one can ever top the Babe, he was fat, drunk and still kicked ass

 

[Towney007]

Statistically, no one's come as close to match dominance relative to the field than Ruth did in his era. He was literally - in his time, worth almost twice as much WAR as Rogers Hornsby, who himself was a great deal better than the pack. I don't think - personally - we'll ever see someone as dominant in a professional sport as he was.

From 1919-1930 - ostensibly Ruth's greatest years, here's your top-5 in WAR

Ruth - 127.9
Hornsby - 103.7
Heilmann - 62.4
Frisch - 62.2
Speaker - 54.9
Gehrig - 49.7

I know I said 5 but listed 6. Gehrig was 6th just for the fun of it and to give perspective. That's.... that's terrifying. Imagine Lebron being a full 3 seasons of peak performance better than peak Kobe in his hayday and why even try... and i mean - that's 11 seasons.

The only thing close in the modern era have been Gretzky and Barry Bonds. And Ruth was harder to pitch to than Bonds in his prime - and what's scary is that it was totally worthless to even try to get Bonds out most of the time. Imagine that except worse. And Gretzky's stretch of almost lap the field dominance was far, far more brief. Once he was traded to Los Angeles, he was ostensibly a top 3 player for a while longer, but never came close to those 200+ points per season absurdity of the mid 80s.

Brady vs. Manning is the new Montana vs. Marino. Except i'd argue Brady was ostensiblly better than Montana and Peyton probably wasn't quite as good as Marino, but that's me more guessing. I'd wager Brady obviously benefitted from having a better front office, coaching and a cast that might not have necessarily been better, but was certainly better constructed and better constructed for him. Still, I find that 'Brady had better weapons or was a system guy' argument to be kind of silly. You're on the team you're on. Ruth also had Gehrig in his lineup and half an all star team. He certainly had more help than Bonds and nearly every other great hitter in baseball by a lot, but no one makes that argument that he wasn't great. He just was. And so is Brady. And Brady's weapons have been so changed out, flipped and turned over throughout the years, it's just hard to make that argument that he just had good support. He certainly has - but he's also changed a lot as a QB over the years.

 

[Towney007]

Also - for the argument that the Patriots are favored by the officials, I mean... there's almost nothing to really support that statistically. And when one team is more disciplined than the other, my advise to other teams would be to just stop making so many dumb penalties.

 

[traitor71]

Nah. Michael Jordan and Gretzky come to mind as better examples of GOAT. Just to name two.

I think Kareem is a guy who gets left out of the discussion when talking about the all time greats. I'm not sure how, but he seems to be overlooked. He certainly checks off all the boxes required for that title.

 

[upstater]

The only thing close in the modern era have been Gretzky and Barry Bonds.

Lemieux started playing in 1984, so he was almost concurrent with Gretzky. The thing I point to with Gretzky is that he had an amazing amount of talent with him, guys that had success in the league on other teams, especially Coffey and Messier. Sure Kurri and Anderson were probably Gretzky creations, but there were other guys who were great on their own. Even Tikkanen did well without him. The whole show was backstopped with Fuhr and Andy Moog. Lemieux did not have as good a supporting cast until Jagr showed up in the 1990s. He had like John Cullen, and we saw how that turned out for the Whalers.