OT: Tiger - Not only a cheat . . . .

[Alydar]

Oh you guys are so naive. As some one posted Tiger is very calculating. He knew what he was doing. He's the best golfer in the world. He doesn't know the rules? He knows exactly what he can get away with.

You'd be surprised. Most of these guys have been playing in marshaled tournaments since they were 12. There has always been an official around to explain rules. Good amateurs are far more knowledgeable about rules than tour pros. I am constantly annoyed watching on TV when a rather routine drop becomes a huge delay because the players are unsure of the rule and call for a rules official.
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But back a ways in this thread you agreed that the whole point was whether or not Tiger lied. Now we know that a marshal told Tiger that Sergio had hit and that yes indeed, a marshal has stated that he said exactly that to Tiger. The SI writer has "clarified" his article to say that Tiger did not lie.

 

[meyers7]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-...-tiger-woods-did-161243970.html#yuhead-search

And here are two marshall's who say Tiger did nothing wrong.

Ah see well that's something different. Now we have a Marshall who says nothing was said to Tiger and one who says something was said to Tiger. But why would one believe one Marshall over another? Unless one was a Tiger apologist. hmmmmm. This gets more interesting all the time.

 

[meyers7]

Perfect example of my point. Thanks for helping me make it! And calling those who don't agree with you "naive" is also a perfect example of childishness directed at those who disagree with you. But hey, haters are gonna hate!

Ah you are incorrect. Not naive because you don't agree with me, naive because you think Tiger is an upstanding person. He's not, he's what is generally referred to as a douchbag, jerk, etc. And certainly lies and certainly cheats. Just the way it is.

 

[Icebear]

Ah see well that's something different. Now we have a Marshall who says nothing was said to Tiger and one who says something was said to Tiger. But why would one believe one Marshall over another? Unless one was a Tiger apologist. hmmmmm. This gets more interesting all the time.

It is quite possible that each is only speaking for their own part. In which case it still favors that Tiger wasn't lying nor was either marshall. Each marshall can only speak for what they were aware of.

 

[blackbird]

Ah you are incorrect. Not naive because you don't agree with me, naive because you think Tiger is an upstanding person. He's not, he's what is generally referred to as a douchbag, jerk, etc. And certainly lies and certainly cheats. Just the way it is.

On his wife. And I don't think you want the percentages on athletes who cheat on their wife. Yes, even in the upstanding (yet somehow racist and sexist) sport of golf.

He's never cheated on the golf course. The proof is pretty clear, he explained his thought process. Had he not done so, he gets away with it. Which means Tiger didn't know he did anything wrong. (Hence, not cheating.)

You clearly can't speak logically about Tiger, though. So I don't know what the point is with this discussion. We have Marshalls saying he did ask, so now they are just apologists. Right.

 

[huskies29]

Ah see well that's something different. Now we have a Marshall who says nothing was said to Tiger and one who says something was said to Tiger. But why would one believe one Marshall over another? Unless one was a Tiger apologist. hmmmmm. This gets more interesting all the time.

The only interesting thing at this point is that the marshall who says no one said anything to tiger is wrong and appears like another tiger hater as a marshall by the name of Brian Nedrich said he told tiger that sergio had hit already and that should clear that part of it up. As for lying the only one that appears to be caught with his nose growing in this one is sergio who claimed that the crowd noise came on his backswing when a replay clearly showed the crowd noise coming while he was standing over his ball. As for this water drop tiger took the advice from his opponent and opponents caddy who both said they had a clear look as to where the ball crossed and drop should be so enough with that controversy also. I'm not a fan of tigers personal life histrionics but I do enjoy watching what eventually will turn out to be imo the greatest golfer of all time.

 

[Icebear]

"Come Monday, though, the head Players Championship marshal, John North, refuted Tiger's account -- even going so far as to say there was no communication between the marshals and Woods at all. He went on to say Tiger's denial "lacked character."
So, did Tiger lie to cover himself?

Maybe not. Now, two other marshals who escorted Woods and Garcia at Sawgrass have come forward and confirmed Tiger's version of events: They said they indeed told him that Garcia had already made his shot, according to the Florida Times-Union.

Both said the claims there was no communication between Woods and volunteers are wrong and said that Woods was only mistaken about the sequence of events.

“It is not true and definitely unfair to Tiger,” said [Brian] Nedrich, who was a marshal at the second hole. “That’s because I was the one Tiger heard say that Sergio had hit.”"

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As I said above different marshalls, different stories. The negative one only means that marshall was unaware of the situation but the affirmative story indicates the events exactly as Tiger reported them. The presence of something always has more weight than the absence which simply indicates a lack of information.​

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[boontonbomber]

wonder what made these marshalls think that sergio had already hit? can't say i've ever thought that these guys are a very impressive looking group. old, overweight, probably hearing and vision challenged. like the ones at my course, who either drive up, or drive away , right in the middle of your backswing.

 

[pap49cba]

wonder what made these marshalls think that sergio had already hit? can't say i've ever thought that these guys are a very impressive looking group. old, overweight, probably hearing and vision challenged. like the ones at my course, who either drive up, or drive away , right in the middle of your backswing.

What a snarky comment. They are volunteers. Perhaps you get what you pay for?

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

wonder what made these marshalls think that sergio had already hit? can't say i've ever thought that these guys are a very impressive looking group. old, overweight, probably hearing and vision challenged. like the ones at my course, who either drive up, or drive away , right in the middle of your backswing.

Please read your post...and think about what you said.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_stigma

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype

 

[pinotbear]

Many years ago (as will become obvious), I marshalled at the pro-am Wednesday of the Greater Hartford Open. It was a 12-hour day, with little break, on a hot, late June day. I was exhausted by the end of it - all that time on your feet, lots of walking, lots of crowds. The best part of the day was the period when I was stationed on the tee at the driveable par-4 15th. This tee is set back a bit, so, the gallery isn't permitted right up to it. Between the relative privacy for the pros and the amatuers, and the relaxed nature of pro-am day, (and, if the pro was going to drive the green, a bit of a wait), there was a lot of relaxed, friendly conversation going on. Lots of discussion over who did/didn't do well at Foxwoods, where they ate dinner last night, lots of congrats for Corey Pavin as he came through (he'd just won at Shinnecock) - but, the best part was watching speed-skate Bonnie Blair play through in bright yellow shorts. Big surprise here - her legs were incredible, and she generated a LOT of power in her swing.

 

[meyers7]

It is quite possible that each is only speaking for their own part. In which case it still favors that Tiger wasn't lying nor was either marshall. Each marshall can only speak for what they were aware of.

That is certainly a possibility.

Although one has to remember just because Tiger did not lie or cheat in this instance (assuming), that he has redeemed himself.

 

[meyers7]

Perfect example of my point. Thanks for helping me make it! And calling those who don't agree with you "naive" is also a perfect example of childishness directed at those who disagree with you. But hey, haters are gonna hate!

As well they should. Plenty of reasons to be a "Tiger hater". People who are not "Tiger haters", really should be held in suspicion.

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

As well they should. Plenty of reasons to be a "Tiger hater". People who are not "Tiger haters", really should be held in suspicion.

Thanks my friend...I needed a laugh this morning.

 

[meyers7]

On his wife. And I don't think you want the percentages on athletes who cheat on their wife. Yes, even in the upstanding (yet somehow racist and sexist) sport of golf.

The point is Tiger has cheated and lied. Not that other athletes haven't. (we know they have).

He's never cheated on the golf course. The proof is pretty clear, he explained his thought process. Had he not done so, he gets away with it. Which means Tiger didn't know he did anything wrong. (Hence, not cheating.)

Well that is not true. We know he cheated on the Masters, he got caught. Hence why he was docked strokes. That is what is clear.

 

[meyers7]

Thanks my friend...I needed a laugh this morning.

You are more than welcome.

 

[Blakeon18]

One of the marshals who said that they told Tiger nothing now says he had a earpiece and may not have heard
what other marshals said.

Tiger's private behavior regarding his family was hideous.
Now two marshals say he was told about Sergio's swing....and the one who made the harshest comments about lying now says he may have been mistaken. Draw your own conclusions....maybe the original accuser is now a Tiger enabler?

He took a wrong drop and was in the end rightfully penalized two shots. I have seen the rule book and I doubt that any pro player knows all the rules. I had thought the penalty for signing for a score lower than you had was immediate and 100% disqualification. I thought he would be out....no choice in the matter. I did not realize that 2 years ago a rule was instituted to give the rules committee flexibility
in that situation...a good rule imo...given the ability to have viewers call in possible violations after the round is over.
The committee was aware of the possible wrong drop when he was on 18...they should have [but did not] contacted him and told him not to sign the card until they talked to him. He would have gotten 2 shots...just what eventually happened.

Whether anybody hates Tiger or regards him as lowest of the low, if the original point is whether he lied about being told, the declarations by the marshals at this point. seem to indicate he wasn't.

 

[meyers7]

You'd be surprised. Most of these guys have been playing in marshaled tournaments since they were 12. There has always been an official around to explain rules. Good amateurs are far more knowledgeable about rules than tour pros. I am constantly annoyed watching on TV when a rather routine drop becomes a huge delay because the players are unsure of the rule and call for a rules official.

Well that is true. From reffing soccer, it's surprising how many players, who've played for years have no idea about the rules. Same for coaches. Although I don't find ignorance an excuse. But that's me.

But back a ways in this thread you agreed that the whole point was whether or not Tiger lied. Now we know that a marshal told Tiger that Sergio had hit and that yes indeed, a marshal has stated that he said exactly that to Tiger. The SI writer has "clarified" his article to say that Tiger did not lie.

Yes, we have conflicting reports. And even if it turns out Tiger did not lie in this particular instance, that does not in any way redeem him.

 

[meyers7]

- but, the best part was watching speed-skate Bonnie Blair play through in bright yellow shorts. Big surprise here - her legs were incredible, and she generated a LOT of power in her swing.

I would love to have seen those legs.

 

[Icebear]

That is certainly a possibility.

Although one has to remember just because Tiger did not lie or cheat in this instance (assuming), that he has redeemed himself.

I absolutely agree with that. Always did.

 

[progrocks]

I think the only solution is to execute Tiger next time he asks an for an opinion from a marshal. It is the only thing that makes sense.

#ThisThreadIsInsane
#WhyIShouldNeverVentureToTheWomensBoard

 

[doggydaddy]

Well that is true. From reffing soccer, it's surprising how many players, who've played for years have no idea about the rules. Same for coaches. Although I don't find ignorance an excuse. But that's me.


Yes, we have conflicting reports. And even if it turns out Tiger did not lie in this particular instance, that does not in any way redeem him.

redeem him from what? Cheating on his wife?

It's clear, my friend, that there would be nothing he could do to redeem himself from whatever it is you are holding against him.

 

[meyers7]

redeem him from what?

From cheating, lying, being the @ss that he is.

It's clear, my friend, that there would be nothing he could do to redeem himself from whatever it is you are holding against him.

I'm sure he could if he tried. But I don't think it is in him to try. I don't think he thinks of himself as needing to be redeemed. He doesn't even realize how bad he is.

Really I'm not so much a "Tiger hater", don't care enough about him or the game. (won't call it a "sport") I would consider myself more of a "Tiger Apologist hater". Although it does give me great pleasure to see him lose.

 

[boontonbomber]

Please read your post...and think about what you said.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_stigma

[URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype[/quote']http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype[/URL]

done that. now what?

 

[meyers7]

done that. now what?

I think you are supposed to agree with him now.