OT: The racist witch hunt in the nba

[intlzncster]

Best post in the thread. OP just admitted he'd be afraid of Andre Drummond walking down the street if he didn't know who he was, solely because he's black. (yes, that makes you racist)

I might be a little afraid of AD if he was walking my way. But that's cause 6'11 270

Once he flashed that big goofy grin, it would be all good.

 

[elduderino]

You're a genius. Go away. You're going after one of the most respected posters. And guess what. You lose. Go away.

Respect is earned on a daily basis. If he had shown some, he would have received it in kind. As for the "you're a genius... you lose... go away," you sound like you might be underage so I'm going to respectfully decline talking you.

 

[Fishy]

Another kitten fight breaks out on the Boneyard...

 

[Scot-e]

It's the off season. This is what passes for a "good time" on the BY this time of year- at least they were kind enough t0 get snarky with each other.

We need a commit from a top recruit- then we will have one day of happiness followed by 10 days of breaking down the pros and cons of said recruit and proclaiming him the next KD.

Can we spread out the rest of the 2015-16 classes commitments over a 5 month period? That will get close us to next season.

 

[pnete]

Listen we can agree on two things.Kevin Ollie earned every last dime, not matter his race and the same goes for Napier.

 

[Kembacity]

Espn is running a whole segment right now on cubans comments. None of which were remotely racist. This has to stop. We cant assassinate the character of everyone who says anything that in some minor way can be construed to be some how racist. We have an nfl owner whos received no punishment after taking a bunch of pills getting drunk and getting behind a wheel for christ sake. It cant be the worst thing in the world is a person who may generalize a certain race or ethnicity. Cuban is right if I see a group of young black males on one side of the street im probably going to walk on the other side, same thing with a group of white guys with tattoos. Due to socioeconomic reasons these tends to be the demographics of people who are more likely to committ a crime...is that racist? I think its just more or less playing the percentages...

What I read of Cubans comments were exactly in tune with how I feel about profiling other people. I don't profile by race, but I absolutely profile people on appearance. I will make myself aware of another person I'm approaching on the street if they look desperate or violent regardless of race. I'm sure Cuban's said much much more that could be easily misconstrued as a bit racist, but just wanted to say that bit of his comments I fully agree with.

In my neighborhood most of the junkies that I like to avoid are not minorities, but it is absolutely okay to profile the people you see on the street

 

[Kembacity]

Best post in the thread. OP just admitted he'd be afraid of Andre Drummond walking down the street if he didn't know who he was, solely because he's black. (yes, that makes you racist)

Wow, absolutely not true! I mean I'll be honest, the OP was sloppy with his words, but I believe he meant, if he were walking down the street, a group of young white guys with sagged jeans covered in tattoos would generate the same response (him crossing the street) as a group of young black men looking similarly unprofessional.

Hilarious how everyone is taking it as "if I see young black guys, I cross the street" and just running like Forrest Gump with it

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

We have soccer threads all over these boards. This topic, while presented as OT, is perfectly appropriate for this board.

In that spirit, there is nothing racist or wrong with anything Cuban said. He was being honest. I'm always wary of people who say that they don't see color. The fact that Cuban was forced to apologize to the family of Trayvon Martin due to public pressure is just comical.

 

[CAHUSKY]

I'm always wary of people who say that they don't see color. The fact that Cuban was forced to apologize to the family of Trayvon Martin due to public pressure is just comical.

What makes you wary of them?

 

[CallMeBruce]

What makes you wary of them?

They're liars.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

What makes you wary of them?

They're lying for starters. Trying a bit too hard to make sure everyone knows they're not a racist.

 

[UCHuskies08]

We have soccer threads all over these boards. This topic, while presented as OT, is perfectly appropriate for this board.

In that spirit, there is nothing racist or wrong with anything Cuban said. He was being honest. I'm always wary of people who say that they don't see color. The fact that Cuban was forced to apologize to the family of Trayvon Martin due to public pressure is just comical.

LOL. So people who say they aren't afraid of random black people on the street "don't see color"? So that means "seeing color" means assuming black people are going to hurt you?

I "see color," and when I see someone who is black, I don't assume they're going to attack me.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

LOL. So people who say they aren't afraid of random black people on the street "don't see color"? So that means "seeing color" means assuming black people are going to hurt you?

I "see color," and when I see someone who is black, I don't assume they're going to attack me.

That's quite the strawman you've created there.

Congratulations, you are not a racist.

 

[CAHUSKY]

They're lying for starters. Trying a bit too hard to make sure everyone knows they're not a racist.

Seeing color is one thing, seeing color and making a sweeping stereotype of everyone of that color is another.

 

[noeynox]

Wow, absolutely not true! I mean I'll be honest, the OP was sloppy with his words, but I believe he meant, if he were walking down the street, a group of young white guys with sagged jeans covered in tattoos would generate the same response (him crossing the street) as a group of young black men looking similarly unprofessional.

Hilarious how everyone is taking it as "if I see young black guys, I cross the street" and just running like Forrest Gump with it

I don't kow, it looks like Andre is wearing a hoodie. Black and a hoodie? Well you know a crime is about to happen.

For the record, I don't think what Cuban said was awful or racist. Given what the new commissioner is dealing with, it is probably bad timing.

I was in Bridgeport once driving, when I needed to turn around, off all places to pull into a driveway to turn around, I pulled into the Hells Angels Clubhouse unknowingly. Immediately a guy comes out the clubhouse door and eyeballs me through the windshield. I say WTF is dude's problem, my (then GF) wife who is from BPT, says "uh this is HA clubhouse." I couldn't reverse out of there fast enough.

I'll admit it, that white guy scared me. I call it safety profiling. When that knockout game was all the rage, I was leery of any group of kids walking together through the mall and ready to toss one over the balcony if my safety depended on it.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Seeing color is one thing, seeing color and making a sweeping stereotype of everyone of that color is another.

Cuban was very clear with his comments. He was not making a sweeping stereotype of an entire race.

 

[UCHuskies08]

That's quite the strawman you've created there.

Congratulations, you are not a racist.

It's not a strawman, it's the logical conclusion from what you posted. So either you're deflecting or aren't the best at expressing your thoughts through writing.

Let's break it down, shall we:

In that spirit, there is nothing racist or wrong with anything Cuban said. He was being honest.

What Cuban said is that if he sees a black person in a hoodie, he would walk to the other side of the street (implied that this would be out of fear of violence)

You don't see anything racist with saying that a black person in a hoodie is dangerous.

I'm always wary of people who say that they don't see color.

You're wary of people, who, unlike you, do not see "color" in a scenario of someone wearing a hoodie walking down the street.

So again, in conclusion, "seeing color" to you means that you err on the side of black people are violent and want to hurt you.

I have more respect for people who would just come out and say "Yeah, I'm kinda scared of black people"

 

[CAHUSKY]

Cuban was very clear with his comments. He was not making a sweeping stereotype of an entire race.

I didn't suggest he did. I suggested other posters did. That said, it's a far too nuanced discussion to have in short snippets on a message board.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

I don't kow, it looks like Andre is wearing a hoodie. Black and a hoodie? Well you know a crime is about to happen.

For the record, I don't think what Cuban said was awful or racist. Given what the new commissioner is dealing with, it is probably bad timing.

I was in Bridgeport once driving, when I needed to turn around, off all places to pull into a driveway to turn around, I pulled into the Hells Angels Clubhouse unknowingly. Immediately a guy comes out the clubhouse door and eyeballs me through the windshield. I say WTF is dude's problem, my (then GF) wife who is from BPT, says "uh this is HA clubhouse." I couldn't reverse out of there fast enough.

I'll admit it, that white guy scared me. I call it safety profiling. When that knockout game was all the rage, I was leery of any group of kids walking together through the mall and ready to toss one over the balcony if my safety depended on it.

Applying the Cuban logic to this, you are predujiced against white people.

 

[PcketknfNiels]

that keyboard and mouse generates alot of courage...

Yeah, you're pretty intimidating with your 5000 online forum posts.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

It's not a strawman, it's the logical conclusion from what you posted. So either you're deflecting or aren't the best at expressing your thoughts through writing.

Let's break it down, shall we:



What Cuban said is that if he sees a black person in a hoodie, he would walk to the other side of the street (implied that this would be out of fear of violence)

You don't see anything racist with saying that a black person in a hoodie is dangerous.



You're wary of people, who, unlike you, do not see "color" in a scenario of someone wearing a hoodie walking down the street.

So again, in conclusion, "seeing color" to you means that you err on the side of black people are violent and want to hurt you.

I have more respect for people who would just come out and say "Yeah, I'm kinda scared of black people"

Oh please. You are purposely cherry picking Cuban's comments to create a context that doesn't exist. What else did Cuban say about white guys with tattoos?

You see gang bangers walking down the street at 1 AM and you're not the least bit concerned. Congratulations. I would recommend a little more awareness about your surroundings.

 

[PcketknfNiels]

It's called the Boneyard guy but it's not that kind of site. If you want to solicit s e x from guys online try Grindr or something.

Funny that you know where to go for that type of thing.

 

[Sportsman5]

I think you and I have different definitions of "witch hunt". Sure, maybe one or two people have come out and slammed Cuban for his comments, but for the most part, I don't see anybody condemning him or using what he said as anything other than a lynch-pin for dialogue. ESPN is talking about it because it is important discussion, and, by making the comments in the first place (on record), Cuban was inviting that sort of thing. So I think it would be best to drop the notion that Cubn is somehow a victim here.

Secondly, his comments, in isolation, weren't overly offensive (at least not to me, I can't speak for the black community), but they were definitely problematic, especially in light of the Trayvon Martin tragedy. It seems to me that a lot of white people are trying to use fear as means of justifying their prejudices rather than confronting their bigotry head on. You're obviously not on the same level as South Tampa Bill with your racism (in fact, you're probably in the majority), so I think your post at least dignifies a response and discussion. But, with that being said, if all it takes to instill fear in you is a black kid walking down the street with a hood on, then I think it might be time to take a look in the mirror and ask yourself why that is (hint: the problem is with you, not "socioeconomics", or whatever crutch you're trying to use).

the headline of the initial Cuban article on ESPN read something like "Cuban admits to being a racist and bigot". That was a grabber that was a little harsh given the context, but I don't expect anything less from the world wide leader. Since that first headline ESPN has calmed down a lot and is presenting it in a more neutral way. The ESPN analysts are doing a good job.

I think Cuban made a huge mistake without giving context. Whether you personally agree or not there are certain situations that are more dangerous than others and there are trends that are undeniable. Certain ways of presenting yourself or acting in certain situations will result in people coming to conclusions and context matters a lot in this situation. For example, if a person is walking on a college campus with a backpack no matter how that person is presenting themselves they will come across as less threatening than if they are walking in a dangerous neighborhood. Take a person and have him take a nap on a park bench at 3 pm in the middle of the suburbs and then have that same person do that in a park in a city at 11 pm. People's assumptions about who that person is and why they are sleeping on a bench will change for many people. It doesn't matter what sex or race they are.

What Cuban is trying to say is that we will all make assumptions about people and come to conclusions whether they are warranted or not. People will stereotype and make assumptions about trends and past experiences. It's how human beings are hard wired to survive and thrive from an evolutionary stand point. Due to this what must happen is for trends to stop. For the vast majority of people when, where, and how you choose to present yourself will dictate peoples opinions and not things like race by itself.

 

[aceboon]

Yeah, you're pretty intimidating with your 5000 online forum posts.

nice to see you recovered from that mental breakdown you suffered after losing what amounted to an online fantasty basketball game. glad to see you're doing well, God bless.

 

[PcketknfNiels]

nice to see you recovered from that mental breakdown you suffered after losing what amounted to an online fantasty basketball game. glad to see you're doing well, God bless.

Think I got temp locked from posting, honestly have to thank whoever did that. I was on the verge of turning into an obsessed forum troll like you.

5k forum posts=obviously a badass.

 

[aceboon]

Think I got temp locked from posting, honestly have to thank whoever did that. I was on the verge of turning into an obsessed forum troll like you.

5k forum posts=obviously a badass.

Obsessed? Nah never that, I don't get too wrapped up in the internet to have a mental breakdown because someone didn't vote for my fantasy team. Don't get too caught up in your feelings, we don't want to see you undergo another episode, your health is more important.

 

[PcketknfNiels]

Obsessed? Nah never that, I don't get too wrapped up in the internet to have a mental breakdown because someone didn't vote for my fantasy team. Don't get too caught up in your feelings, we don't want to see you undergo another episode, your health is more important.

Sorry but you have way too many posts and take this forum way too seriously to argue that the yard isn't a huge part of your life. Any argument to the contrary or deflection is irrelevant, find a hobby champ.

 

[aceboon]

Sorry but you have way too many posts and take this forum way too seriously to argue that the yard isn't a huge part of your life. Any argument to the contrary or deflection is irrelevant, find a hobby champ.

you have 340 posts in less than 2 months, as long as your mental health holds up and/or you don't partake in any more fantasy sports that causes you to lose your mind on an internet forum, you will be joining the 5,000 post club in well under 3 years.

 

[PcketknfNiels]

you have 340 posts in less than 2 months, as long as your mental health holds up and/or you don't partake in any more fantasy sports that causes you to lose your mind on an internet forum, you will be joining the 5,000 post club in well under 3 years.

The thing is I have 300 posts in a concentrated period where you're even claiming I spent too much time on here when I'm really only on pace to match you if I continue to do this for 3 years.

So basically if I continue to be obsessed with the yard for 3 years I'll be you? Nice logic.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

The thing is I have 300 posts in a concentrated period where you're even claiming I spent too much time on here when I'm really only on pace to match you if I continue to do this for 3 years.

So basically if I continue to be obsessed with the yard for 3 years I'll be you? Nice logic.

I'm hoping you lose interest in this place fairly quickly. But that's just me.