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Mr. Conehead said:
The Valley is very loyal to each other. Can't take just Ansonia without taking several other NVL schools, primarily Derby, Seymour, and Naugatuck. Ansonia and Naugatuck have been playing Thanksgiving football since the late 1800's. Let's say the SWC takes the most attractive NVL schools and divides into 3 divisions:
  • Class S: 1) Ansonia, 2) Woodland, 3) Seymour, 4) Holy Cross, 5) Oxford, 6) Derby, 7) ND Fairfield
  • Class M: 1) Brookfield, 2) Wolcott, 3) Weston, 4) New Fairfield, 5) Joel Barlow, 6) Waterford, 7) Stratford, 8) Bethel
  • Class LL/L: 1) Naugatuck 3) Bunnell, 4) Masuk, 5) Pomperaug, 6) Newtown, 7) New Milford
This would work. Though, I wish each school luck getting to a Friday night game along I-84 on time. But, the question then becomes what happens to the less attractive schools, primarily the 3 Waterbury high schools and those north?
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The SWC wouldn't take those teams. They'd take Oxford back and Ansonia. That's probably it. But Oxford left already because they couldn't compete in the league and Tom likes his cupcake schedule so it's probably not going to happen anyway.

If we ever went to a district model, though, these wouldn't be that far off
 
Mr. Conehead said:
The Valley is very loyal to each other. Can't take just Ansonia without taking several other NVL schools, primarily Derby, Seymour, and Naugatuck. Ansonia and Naugatuck have been playing Thanksgiving football since the late 1800's. Let's say the SWC takes the most attractive NVL schools and divides into 3 divisions:
  • Class S: 1) Ansonia, 2) Woodland, 3) Seymour, 4) Holy Cross, 5) Oxford, 6) Derby, 7) ND Fairfield
  • Class M: 1) Brookfield, 2) Wolcott, 3) Weston, 4) New Fairfield, 5) Joel Barlow, 6) Waterford, 7) Stratford, 8) Bethel
  • Class LL/L: 1) Naugatuck 3) Bunnell, 4) Masuk, 5) Pomperaug, 6) Newtown, 7) New Milford
This would work. Though, I wish each school luck getting to a Friday night game along I-84 on time. But, the question then becomes what happens to the less attractive schools, primarily the 3 Waterbury high schools and those north?
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You are so right! I'm a proud Valley alum (Shelton - ripper!) and I hate all other Valley schools - until someone outside the Valley messes with them. Then we are all together against the common enemey. We're like a bunch of Scot highland clans. Now, I live in a tony Boston suburb where I'm the only guy who takes a leak on my front lawn. As I told my wife, THEY have a problem, not me!
 
BlueandOG said:
You are so right! I'm a proud Valley alum (Shelton - ripper!) and I hate all other Valley schools - until someone outside the Valley messes with them. Then we are all together against the common enemey. We're like a bunch of Scot highland clans. Now, I live in a tony Boston suburb where I'm the only guy who takes a leak on my front lawn. As I told my wife, THEY have a problem, not me!
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Don't mess with Shelton or they'll burn their own town down!
 
JMick said:
The SWC is mostly class M schools. Ansonia should seriously consider joining the SCC or SWC. With the SCC their scheduling opportunities are endless.
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Pretty sure Newtown, New Milford, Pomperaug, Masuk, and Bunnell are all either LL or L. Brookfield, Stratford and Barlow are in the high upper tier concerning enrollment in Class M, not sure about Weston but they did have a good team this year. The only really small school in the conference is ND of Fairfield.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Pretty sure Newtown, New Milford, Pomperaug, Masuk, and Bunnell are all either LL or L. Brookfield, Stratford and Barlow are in the high upper tier concerning enrollment in Class M, not sure about Weston but they did have a good team this year. The only really small school in the conference is ND of Fairfield.
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This isn't true. Brookfield is always on the smaller side of class M. That's why they used to bounce between SS and M when there were six divisions.

Brookfield, Weston, Barlow, New Fairfield, Bethel, Stratford and Bunnell have all been in M recently. That's more than half the league. Bunnell goes up and down and Barlow goes up and down sometimes but they're all generally about the same size.
 
JMick said:
This isn't true. Brookfield is always on the smaller side of class M. That's why they used to bounce between SS and M when there were six divisions.

Brookfield, Weston, Barlow, New Fairfield, Bethel, Stratford and Bunnell have all been in M recently. That's more than half the league. Bunnell goes up and down and Barlow goes up and down sometimes but they're all generally about the same size.
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Sorry but you're wrong. I've attached the latest enrollments for every school in the state. Harding is Class L and Barlow, Stratford, Bethel, and Brookfield are not too far behind. As for Bunnell the school has 1104 students placing it firmly in Class L. Brookfield will be in Class L maybe within the next 2 or 3 years, my kids go to Huckelberry elementary and Whisconier Middle School and both schools are dealing with severe overcrowding. Young and middle aged couples with kids are moving into Brookfield and Bethel in droves. What's even more telling are differences in size between the freshman and senior classes at Bethel and Brookfield High.


http://ciacsports.com/site/?page_id=137
 
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huskyrob1 said:
Sorry but you're wrong. I've attached the latest enrollments for every school in the state. Harding is Class L and Barlow, Stratford, Bethel, and Brookfield are not too far behind. As for Bunnell the school has 1104 students placing it firmly in Class L. Brookfield will be in Class L maybe within the next 2 or 3 years, my kids go to Huckelberry elementary and Whisconier Middle School and both schools are dealing with severe overcrowding. Young and middle aged couples with kids are moving into Brookfield and Bethel in droves. What's even more telling are differences in size between the freshman and senior classes at Bethel and Brookfield High.


http://ciacsports.com/site/?page_id=137
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those aren't the football classes, Rob. Class M this year was 378-518 enrolled boys

League sorted by enrollment:

S (up to 377)
Notre Dame Fairfield - 242

M (378-518)
Brookfield - 415
New Fairfield - 427
Weston - 429
Barlow - 484
Stratford - 500
Bethel - 504

L (519-678)
Masuk - 529
Bunnell - 596
Pomperaug - 643

LL (679+)
New Milford (695)
Newtown (844)

As you can see, Brookfield is the smallest M team in the SWC. It would take a huge jump for them to be bumped to L. They are 38 kids from class S and 104 kids away from L. It's not even close.

Bunnell was also in class M in both 2015 and 2016. Masuk was almost in M this year.
 
JMick said:
those aren't the football classes, Rob. Class M this year was 378-518 enrolled boys

League sorted by enrollment:

S (up to 377)
Notre Dame Fairfield - 242

M (378-518)
Brookfield - 415
New Fairfield - 427
Weston - 429
Barlow - 484
Stratford - 500
Bethel - 504

L (519-678)
Masuk - 529
Bunnell - 596
Pomperaug - 643

LL (679+)
New Milford (695)
Newtown (844)

As you can see, Brookfield is the smallest M team in the SWC. It would take a huge jump for them to be bumped to L. They are 38 kids from class S and 104 kids away from L. It's not even close.

Bunnell was also in class M in both 2015 and 2016. Masuk was almost in M this year.
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They don't sort LL, L, M, and S by the number of kids that come out for the team. They sort it strictly by school boy enrollment, so "football classes" are irrelevant. If it did sort that way then Ansonia and Derby would rarely would have been Class S and a Class LL schools like Andrew Warde would rarely have been LL. It would also allow high school coaches to play games with the CIAC to get a more favorable class designation.
 
huskyrob1 said:
They don't sort LL, L, M, and S by the number of kids that come out for the team. They sort it strictly by school boy enrollment, so "football classes" are irrelevant. If it did sort that way then Ansonia and Derby would rarely would have been Class S and a Class LL schools like Andrew Warde would rarely have been LL. It would also allow high school coaches to play games with the CIAC to get a more favorable class designation.
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Scroll down for 2018 Football Divisions/Classes... http://ciacsports.com/site/?page_id=952
 
huskyrob1 said:
They don't sort LL, L, M, and S by the number of kids that come out for the team. They sort it strictly by school boy enrollment, so "football classes" are irrelevant. If it did sort that way then Ansonia and Derby would rarely would have been Class S and a Class LL schools like Andrew Warde would rarely have been LL. It would also allow high school coaches to play games with the CIAC to get a more favorable class designation.
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What in the world are you talking about? The numbers I posted are for the total of boys enrolled. That's how they make the football classes. I am right. You are wrong. Take the L
 
JMick said:
What in the world are you talking about? The numbers I posted are for the total of boys enrolled. That's how they make the football classes. I am right. You are wrong. Take the L
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Sorry, I thought you were saying the number of kids who try out for the team is the "football class".
 
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huskyrob1 said:
Yeah I saw that medic, what's your point? If schools move up based in part on champion success on the field, then shouldn't Ansonia have been Class M or L for like the past 20 years?
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The point is exactly what @JMick was saying - - moves up or down are based on the CIAC numbers. I just had the link handy as I was on CIAC site for another sport’s bracket for today’s games.

... and the Tournament Success factor only applies to “schools of choice”.

I’ll let you and @JMick go back to arguing who was right.
 
huskymedic said:
The point is exactly what @JMick was saying - - moves up or down are based on the CIAC numbers. I just had the link handy as I was on CIAC site for another sport’s bracket for today’s games.

... and the Tournament Success factor only applies to “schools of choice”.

I’ll let you and @JMick go back to arguing who was right.
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Thanks for the clarification....lol

"schools of choice"?.......whose choice?

It appears that the schoolboy numbers, CIAC numbers and "football class" numbers are the same, so no argument. I misunderstood what he meant by using the term football class. We do have a difference of opinion on Bunnell, Brookfield, and Bethel, especially where trends are concerned.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Thanks for the clarification....lol

"schools of choice"?..whose choice?

It appears that the schoolboy numbers, CIAC numbers and "football class" numbers are the same, so no argument. I misunderstood what he meant by using the term football class. We do have a difference of opinion on Bunnell, Brookfield, and Bethel, especially where trends are concerned.
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Brookfield has had 140+ boys in a senior class before. The trend you're talking about is a wave. It's been going up and down for 20 years. 110 in the freshman class is nothing.
 
JMick said:
those aren't the football classes, Rob. Class M this year was 378-518 enrolled boys

League sorted by enrollment:

S (up to 377)
Notre Dame Fairfield - 242

M (378-518)
Brookfield - 415
New Fairfield - 427
Weston - 429
Barlow - 484
Stratford - 500
Bethel - 504

L (519-678)
Masuk - 529
Bunnell - 596
Pomperaug - 643

LL (679+)
New Milford (695)
Newtown (844)

As you can see, Brookfield is the smallest M team in the SWC. It would take a huge jump for them to be bumped to L. They are 38 kids from class S and 104 kids away from L. It's not even close.

Bunnell was also in class M in both 2015 and 2016. Masuk was almost in M this year.
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Ok I'll concede on Brookfield now this year, but that will change, and Bethel and Stratford could easily move up to Class L, even Barlow is not too far away. Bunnell however at 596 is firmly in Class L, and the numbers I posted for boys only and the numbers you posted are the same.
 
huskyrob1 said:
Ok I'll concede on Brookfield now this year, but that will change, and Bethel and Stratford could easily move up to Class L, even Barlow is not too far away. Bunnell however at 596 is firmly in Class L, and the numbers I posted for boys only and the numbers you posted are the same.
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I know Bunnell is class L but they do go up and down. See 2015 & 2016. That was only 2 years ago
 
JMick said:
Brookfield has had 140+ boys in a senior class before. The trend you're talking about is a wave. It's been going up and down for 20 years. 110 in the freshman class is nothing.
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No it's not a wave, when I see elementary schools in Brookfield getting portable class rooms for oncoming years it's more than just a wave. When the school board wants to build new permanent classrooms but gets shot down it's because it is seeing a trend. They're not looking at spending that kind of money because of a "wave".
 
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JMick said:
I know Bunnell is class L but they do go up and down. See 2015 & 2016. That was only 2 years ago
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Ok got it. Bunnell made a solid move up to be firmly in Class L from M in 2 years as you pointed out, yet Brookfield can't make the same jump in "2 or 3 years". Yes it is impossible and you are right. Lol
 
huskyrob1 said:
No it's not a wave, when I see elementary schools in Brookfield getting portable class rooms for oncoming years it's more than just a wave. When the school board wants to build new permanent classrooms but gets shot down it's because it is seeing a trend. They're not looking at spending that kind of money because of a "wave".
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They've had portables for 20 years lol. Trust me, I know more about this than you do.
 
JMick said:
They've had portables for 20 years lol. Trust me, I know more about this than you do.
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At Huckleberry? No way, they're actually discussing putting them right on the soccer field when they tear down the old ones. If they haven't already. That may change though if the new school gets approved, but there will probably be a referendum on it.
 
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JMick said:
Brookfield demolishes portables at Huckleberry
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huskymedic said:
The Thanksgiving Week GameTimeCT / Register Top 10 Football Poll: Ansonia, Naugy ranked ahead of showdown
  1. Darien (LL) v. New Canaan (LL 7-2) in Stamford
  2. Greenwich (LL) v. Staples (LL 7-2) in Greenwich
  3. Hand (L) v. Guilford (L 6-3) in Madison
  4. Shelton (LL) v. Derby (S 4-5) in Shelton
  5. St. Joseph’s (M) at Trumbull (LL 5-4) in Trumbull
  6. Southington (LL) v. Cheshire (LL 3-6) in Southington
  7. Newtown (LL) v. Masuk (L 5-4) in Newtown
  8. New Britain (LL) n/a (season complete)
  9. Naugatuck (L) at Ansonia (S 9-0)
  10. Ansonia (S) v. Naugatuck (L 9-0)
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Added Turkey day Games. I wonder how the forecasted record cold in Thursday will impact teams.
 
There are only 3 remaining Turkey Day games in North Jersey, one (Kennedy v. Eastside in Patterson) has been moved to Wednesday night; but, that was done weeks ago before the forecast came out to try and increase attendance. Up by my folks in the Live Free or Freeze to Death state, Nashua North and Nashua South usually play Wednesday night. On Thursday, Manchester Central will play Manchester West on Thanksgiving along. It will be colder in the western hills though where Keene will be at Monadnock. The forecasted high in Swanzey, which is near my folk's place, is for a high of of 13 F with a 20 MPH breeze. That's a bit nippy even with fortified hot chocolate.
 
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