OT: Revis to the Jets

[Danzz]

They won the world series the season before last. They had a bad year last year, whatever. Team looks very strong this year. The Yanks have been consistently mediocre for many years now, yet all I hear about is a bunch of World Series titles from long ago. The point is, no matter how mediocre the Yankees are, the fans will never accept that reality. The Montreal Canadiens fans are the same. Boston fans in my experience are always realistic, if not downright pessimistic about their teams. It's usually gloom and doom and hope for the best.

"all I hear about is a bunch of World Series titles from long ago"
Kind of like Cuse with their Helms Trophies

 

[Danzz]

I was kidding and having fun and this is what you come up with? What a .

Maybe you never heard of Pedro and "Who's your daddy" it was a joke?

My mom is in the hospital right now fighting all kinds of crap at 90 yrs old and I just got home from visiting, wish you were close I'd rip your wise a** up talking like that about her.

Hope all works out well with your Mom.

 

[mauconnfan]

Hope all works out well with your Mom.

Thank you

 

[mauconnfan]

"all I hear about is a bunch of World Series titles from long ago"
Kind of like Cuse with their Helms Trophies

It's all good but admit it, many Sox fans say so "how many in the last 10 years" because they started winning in 2004. When a Yankee fan tries to include the late 90's they say "ancient history". Now that's funny

 

[Dooley]

He got his ring now he wants his money. Different things motivate different players. Some players are willing to sacrifice a little scratch to play on teams that are consistent contenders. Others want to max out deals and don't mind the losing as much. It happens. Everybody has a choice and Revis has clearly chosen some serious Jet greenbacks to finish no higher than 3rd place every year.

 

[donyell34]

You guys made up good for you. This is all in fun for me ; nothing personal though I like to take some jabs at Cuse fans as well as pc fans and those backwards thinking and miserable republicans.

 

[mauconnfan]

He got his ring now he wants his money. Different things motivate different players. Some players are willing to sacrifice a little scratch to play on teams that are consistent contenders. Others want to max out deals and don't mind the losing as much. It happens. Everybody has a choice and Revis has clearly chosen some serious Jet greenbacks to finish no higher than 3rd place every year.

See Pats fan like a Sox fan. Couldn't leave it as his choice had to throw the "3rd place" bomb in.

 

[willie99]

It must suck being a jet fan. Your whining is kinda funny you guys are worse than the republicans.

Knock it off before we take your voter base off our family payroll. You know, the dudes who get off their couches once every four years

 

[RayRay19]

Revis was a goner from the get go. After he got released from Tampa he wanted to go back to the Jets but they wouldn't offer him so he signed with the pats. Got in a system where he would be able to prove his worth with a good secondary and now back to being one of the most important non qbs in the league. NE was just a pit stop for him so he could get paid. One interesting thing is the Jets saying they'll do whatever they can to sign him while he was under contract. I read an article which proposed swapping 1st between the pats/jets. This happened before with Lance Briggs and even though he didn't sign with the 49ers but they still had to swap third rounders. In this case Revis actually left. Now was this due to the Jets saying they'll do whatever they can to sign him which is why he didn't sign with the pats?


BTW this offseason has been insane...

 

[IMind]

Yankees suck!

 

[Dogdeacon]

Revis was a goner from the get go. After he got released from Tampa he wanted to go back to the Jets but they wouldn't offer him so he signed with the pats. Got in a system where he would be able to prove his worth with a good secondary and now back to being one of the most important non qbs in the league. NE was just a pit stop for him so he could get paid. One interesting thing is the Jets saying they'll do whatever they can to sign him while he was under contract. I read an article which proposed swapping 1st between the pats/jets. This happened before with Lance Briggs and even though he didn't sign with the 49ers but they still had to swap third rounders. In this case Revis actually left. Now was this due to the Jets saying they'll do whatever they can to sign him which is why he didn't sign with the pats?


BTW this offseason has been insane...

I don't get why the Pats didn't pick up the option for 1yr. Maybe Revis is overpriced at $20M, but I think by a small amount and that overpay doesn't tie you to a player in his 30's. Seems to me that other than this being fundamentally contrary to how the Pats do business, 20M for 15-16 would have made both business and football sense. So the only reason not to do it is organizational consistency. Or were they also being nice to Revis by letting him get the big pay day, OR were they also being devious and hoping to cash-in on tampering?

 

[Mikey G]

I don't get why the Pats didn't pick up the option for 1yr. Maybe Revis is overpriced at $20M, but I think by a small amount and that overpay doesn't tie you to a player in his 30's. Seems to me that other than this being fundamentally contrary to how the Pats do business, 20M for 15-16 would have made both business and football sense. So the only reason not to do it is organizational consistency. Or were they also being nice to Revis by letting him get the big pay day, OR were they also being devious and hoping to cash-in on tampering?

Would have been 26 mil against cap....Pats didn't have room.

 

[Deepster]

I don't get why the Pats didn't pick up the option for 1yr. Maybe Revis is overpriced at $20M, but I think by a small amount and that overpay doesn't tie you to a player in his 30's. Seems to me that other than this being fundamentally contrary to how the Pats do business, 20M for 15-16 would have made both business and football sense. So the only reason not to do it is organizational consistency. Or were they also being nice to Revis by letting him get the big pay day, OR were they also being devious and hoping to cash-in on tampering?

And on top of that, they let Browner walk too. You'd think they wouldn't want to lose both in the same week. Didn't they pass on Browner because of something small like a 2m bonus or something?

 

[UConn990411]

And on top of that, they let Browner walk too. You'd think they wouldn't want to lose both in the same week. Didn't they pass on Browner because of something small like a 2m bonus or something?

Supposedly it had to do with him not fitting their defensive scheme as well without a shutdown corner like Revis. But who knows - that could be some Patriots spin.

 

[mauconnfan]

And on top of that, they let Browner walk too. You'd think they wouldn't want to lose both in the same week. Didn't they pass on Browner because of something small like a 2m bonus or something?

Good news for the Giants if the Pats make the Super Bowl again next year. No one to check Beckham Jr

 

[HuskyHawk]

Supposedly it had to do with him not fitting their defensive scheme as well without a shutdown corner like Revis. But who knows - that could be some Patriots spin.

He was also a liability from a penalty perspective. Browner was only useful due to his size allowing him to match up with the big WR. I wouldn't have brought him back because there are better corners out there that they can bring in. The secondary won't be as good without Revis, but Browner is no loss.

 

[mauconnfan]

He was also a liability from a penalty perspective. Browner was only useful due to his size allowing him to match up with the big WR. I wouldn't have brought him back because there are better corners out there that they can bring in. The secondary won't be as good without Revis, but Browner is no loss.

Fung Wah at its finest huh Deep?

 

[HuskyHawk]

Fung Wah at its finest huh Deep?

You think it was money? His contract option was cheap, I don't think they wanted him back at any price. He's a pass interference machine, and Belichick hates those penalties. They will sign somebody else that Bill thinks fits his scheme better.

 

[mauconnfan]

You think it was money? His contract option was cheap, I don't think they wanted him back at any price. He's a pass interference machine, and Belichick hates those penalties. They will sign somebody else that Bill thinks fits his scheme better.

I was kidding Hawk, all good. I know he's a pretty good player but as a Giants fan I didn't watch the Pats close enough to know otherwise.

 

[donyell34]

Ok! Willie.

 

[Deepster]

You think it was money? His contract option was cheap, I don't think they wanted him back at any price. He's a pass interference machine, and Belichick hates those penalties. They will sign somebody else that Bill thinks fits his scheme better.

Honnnnnnnk! Honnnnnnnk!! Fung Wah comin'!!!

 

[boba]

And on top of that, they let Browner walk too. You'd think they wouldn't want to lose both in the same week. Didn't they pass on Browner because of something small like a 2m bonus or something?

What Mike says:

Perhaps the Patriots viewed Browner (team-high 15 penalties) as a package with Revis, because having both of them would have allowed the team to continue to play press-man, which is Browner's specialty. Without Revis, the Patriots' defensive plans are in flux, and thus that could have affected the value the club placed on Browner based on his scheme-specific skills.

Unlike some on this board, I am neither a GM nor executive for a professional team, and so therefore refrain from second guessing why a team signs or fails to sign a player. I assume they know things I do not know, have insight that I lack, and generally know how to do their jobs.
I will admit that I expressed my distaste for signing one ARod way back when, and my further distaste for resigning him. But like Seinfeld said, we cheer for the laundry.

 

[Dooley]

See Pats fan like a Sox fan. Couldn't leave it as his choice had to throw the "3rd place" bomb in.

Pats yes. Sox no.

3rd place "bomb" is the truth. Do you really think the Jets are going to finish ahead of New England/Miami/Buffalo???

 

[Dogdeacon]

Would have been 26 mil against cap....Pats didn't have room.

I agree 100% with those that have said we (fans) are not the GM's and don't get why its such a huge part of following the NFL to opine, care and approve/disapprove of roster matters = at end of day rooting for laundry and fans act like they are going to be 49-102% cheering based on how the team's personnel decisions align with their viewpoints.

So disqualifier said, with __# (40, 60 I have no idea?) players involved do we really know for a fact that Revis' 26M cap hit would have put the team over the cap either in its current or future state? Or would it simply have hampered their ability to sign anyone else or necessitated roster cuts? I'd think with so many players and non-guaranteed contracts the math is incredibly complex.

Even in the NBA with 12-15 roster spots its tough to define within 1-3 stars what makes team building difficult. I also dodn't know what happens if you go over the cap? Shouldn't a XX% chance at the Super Bowl create a situation where overspending at one of the key 22-30 starters worthwhile?

Again I follow NBA (soft cap) somewhat more closely. Thunder claimed they traded James Harden because otherwise they'd go over the luxury tax cap to have Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden. But they traded Harden one year before his new salary kicked in AND before they knew/realized what that next year's luxury cap number would be. And they were 2-3 years away from a major uptick in salary caps. So motivation of OVER THE CAP penalty was really a smokescreen for them wanting to keep costs in line i.e. they could have met Harden's demands and amnestied Kendrick Perkins and had more costs but never exceeded the cap.