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OT: Red Sox sign stealing penalty

tentoes4rings said:
These are just stupid comm

I was going to cite Giambi too but didn’t want to start the whole Papi, Manny crap again, to which we could bring up Grimsley, Sheffield, Knoblauch, Clemens and so many others. I’m willing to admit both teams have done their share of cheating but to have Yankee fans call anyone else cheaters is beyond hypocritical.
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We talking steroids, HGH or stealing signs?? Get over it I can call you cheaters because you did steal signs. Can tell it bothers you, I’m happy. All is good outside of Covid can have a little fun with you.
 
mauconnfan said:
Or Trot, or Youk or.... oh who has the time.

We have plenty of our own I know.
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I listed confirmed guys and you’re listing guys YOU suspect, not a fair comparison. As far as sign stealing, go find the article from The Athletic, that states The Yankees used video room to steal signs from 15-17. And they hired Carlos Beltran from The Astros who was said to “have a gift” for detecting signs. With the resources of the two teams and the stakes involved, I’ll reasonably agree both organizations have bent the rules.
 
tentoes4rings said:
I listed confirmed guys and you’re listing guys YOU suspect, not a fair comparison. As far as sign stealing, go find the article from The Athletic, that states The Yankees used video room to steal signs from 15-17. And they hired Carlos Beltran from The Astros who was said to “have a gift” fWith the resources of the two teams and the stakes involved, I’ll reasonably agree both organizations have bent the rules.
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It’s a fair comparison because they all cheated but denial will always be you and the Nation. Papi lol no doubter. Yanks didn’t steal signs read it with the blinders off.

www.sny.tv

What are the Yankees accused of in sign-stealing scandal, and what are the facts?

It's worth taking a moment to parse the significant differences in the accusations between the Yankees and Red Sox.
www.sny.tv www.sny.tv

Get the blinders off not even the same world as far as the usage. Yeah I know “it’s SNY blah blah blah” but it talks of the Athletic article and others.

Anyway who cares the game has changed accept it for what it is, that your team probably cheats somehow or just stop watching it. They all do there’s still too many crappy players hitting HRs all over the place. Yeah partially ball but also partially MLBs inability to catch up to everything these players are taking.

I don’t miss baseball half as much as I’d miss UConn basketball anyway so here’s hoping we’re ok come sept/Oct. Get me the majors, college hoops and football and I’m good with no baseball it’s not the same game.
 
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You could tell this was going to be a nothing-burger. The investigation dragged on and on and on. Manfred was getting mocked for the Houston ruling and he was hoping something - anything - of significance would fall in his lap if he just kept the Boston investigation open long enough just so he could right some wrongs.

Then you had 3 or 4 Sox players in the past 2 weeks start to basically challenge Manfred's manhood, telling him if he actually found anything he should just go ahead and release it and get this whole thing over with.

Of course, Manfred also probably came to the realization - or came across evidence - that what this video scout did for the Sox was also probably going on with other teams.

In Verducci's column he notes that many if not most teams had a setup similar to what the Red Sox had - in that their advance video scout also doubled as their replay monitor guy. So in essence, most of these same guys whose job it was to find patterns in other teams pitch sequencing just *happened* to also be watching live feeds in the replay monitor room during the game. The replay room. That has a camera that shows the catchers signals where you can see if the scouting report you just made for these players prior to the game, is still spot on once the very first guy reaches second base. And if you catch something during a game - let's say in the first inning - you have to stay buttoned up, even though maybe the biggest job you have for that day maybe entirely kaput after a couple of batters if the other team changed their sequence and you just found out what it was.

I mean the whole setup that MLB allowed was crazy to begin with. It's like taking a drug addict and sitting him down in front of a line of coke and hope he resists.

In the end, Manfred stated in the report that even if he had the authority to punish players who came forward, he wouldn't have done it based on what was discovered. And Alex Cora was cleared from any wrongdoing in 2018 and 2019. His suspension was for Houston alone.

Speaking of Cora, in his statement tonight, if you read between the lines you could tell he is tired of taking all of the bullets (or at least half - with Beltran) for what went down in Houston. You get the feeling he's done his job to not snitch on others but this wasn't just a Cora/Beltran production. That there were deeper tentacles that ran through that organization.
 
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UConn990411 said:
Glad to see another reasonable thread about a Boston team on this board.
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I remember the 1986 World Series while at UConn. The Yankee fans mostly sided with the Mets fans, creating a 50-50 split across campus. It was crazy. Connecticut is just like that about these teams.
 
LOL Red Sox fans LOL

Nothing ever wrong in the Nation. 2018 Mookie went from .264 to .346 (.378 at home) because that's what .290 career hitters do jump .82 basis points.

I'm done you're all clean as hell always have been. Heck Manny only did steroids when he was with Cleveland.

Have a good day! Let's talk UConn hoops here please, at least we are close to the same page at times.
 
This clearly didn't amount to much. MLB all but admitted everybody was doing it. Let's just put this behind us and move forward.
 
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Individual cheating like Roids and Peds is far different then premeditated team wide/organization cheating. Not a bad thing to have some back and forth arguing with Boston-NY fans, would rather argue sports then Covid 19.
 
If they investigated every team in baseball they would find cheating in one sense or another
I have to laugh at the Yankee fans - yeah they are/were lily white with the Steinbrenners at the helm
I'm a Cubs fan but do not care for the Yankees - on a Duke level
 
MLB found next to nothing with the Sox because they already forced their hand. They had the Astros dead to rights and they let them go. No way they were going to double down and hammer the Sox.

Both, and probably more, were guilty but the MLB were too soft to do anything. Crazy how we go from banning people for life and from the HoF to not even hand slapping for cheating that impacts the outcomes of games.
 
CL82 said:
Forget what?
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The cheating especially Dodgers fans maybe not so much the Sox but the Astros will still get booed heavily and guys will get hit by pitchers.
 
Scoe said:
The cheating especially Dodgers fans maybe not so much the Sox but the Astros will still get booed heavily and guys will get hit by pitchers.
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What cheating?
 
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CTBasketball said:
MLB found next to nothing with the Sox because they already forced their hand. They had the Astros dead to rights and they let them go. No way they were going to double down and hammer the Sox.

Both, and probably more, were guilty but the MLB were too soft to do anything. Crazy how we go from banning people for life and from the HoF to not even hand slapping for cheating that impacts the outcomes of games.
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I've always said you want steroids out of baseball you make the first offense a 1 year ban and the second offense a lifetime ban. How many examples are there of guys getting suspended for juice and then signing lucrative deals thereafter? The reward outweighs the risk. That needs to be changed.
 
mauconnfan said:
LOL Red Sox fans LOL

Nothing ever wrong in the Nation. 2018 Mookie went from .264 to .346 (.378 at home) because that's what .290 career hitters do jump .82 basis points.

I'm done you're all clean as hell always have been. Heck Manny only did steroids when he was with Cleveland.

Have a good day! Let's talk UConn hoops here please, at least we are close to the same page at times.
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You sound like Mike Aresco talking about UConn leaving the AAC.
 
mauconnfan said:
LOL Red Sox fans LOL

Nothing ever wrong in the Nation. 2018 Mookie went from .264 to .346 (.378 at home) because that's what .290 career hitters do jump .82 basis points.

I'm done you're all clean as hell always have been. Heck Manny only did steroids when he was with Cleveland.

Have a good day! Let's talk UConn hoops here please, at least we are close to the same page at times.
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Interesting Mau that you chose to reference an off year Mookie had in 2017 while conveniently omitting that he hit .318 in 2016 while finishing in the top 5 for MVP.

To use your reasoning, let’s discuss your boy Gio Urshela. The same guy who hit under .230 over 3 terrible seasons with Cleveland. He had SIX career HR in 499 career ABs. He was so bad offensively that he only got 43 ABs for an awful Toronto team. He was almost out of baseball. Then out of nowhere, he bats .315 and swats 21 HR, or one every 22 ABs his first year in pinstripes. Nothing fishy there Mau! Are you sure you want to keep playing this game?
 
I understand some NY fans are butthurt that they didn't have much on the Sox, but keep in mind that MLB has been run by two New Yorkers - a lifelong Yankees fan in Manfred, and Joe Torre. And with Manfred getting mocked for his Houston punishment, he probably was hoping he could drop an anvil on Boston. But there just wasn't much there.

It's not like Matt Damon and John Krasinski are running this league.
 
tentoes4rings said:
Interesting Mau that you chose to reference an off year Mookie had in 2017 while conveniently omitting that he hit .318 in 2016 while finishing in the top 5 for MVP.

To use your reasoning, let’s discuss your boy Gio Urshela. The same guy who hit under .230 over 3 terrible seasons with Cleveland. He had SIX career HR in 499 career ABs. He was so bad offensively that he only got 43 ABs for an awful Toronto team. He was almost out of baseball. Then out of nowhere, he bats .315 and swats 21 HR, or one every 22 ABs his first year in pinstripes. Nothing fishy there Mau! Are you sure you want to keep playing this game?
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Gio may have been a cheater, did I say he wasn't? Let's keep playing I have a ton going back a while, I'm not sure you're ready pal, as a matter of fact check out some guys from your championship years before you even start. It will be fun!!! LOL By the way did you watch Urshella I doubt you did?Never seen so many bloopers and bleeders in my life, he will not do it again I promise. But keep coming you're like candy for me. Millar, Trot, Miller, Pearce and his suddenly size 8 helmet let's play... ;)
 
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The Viking said:
I understand some NY fans are butthurt that they didn't have much on the Sox, but keep in mind that MLB has been run by two New Yorkers - a lifelong Yankees fan in Manfred, and Joe Torre. And with Manfred getting mocked for his Houston punishment, he probably was hoping he could drop an anvil on Boston. But there just wasn't much there.

It's not like Matt Damon and John Krasinski are running this league.
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Butthurt? Why? By the team that without sign stealing finished 19 games behind us with a team of misfit back ups playing in NY? LOL

LOL keep trying Vik I'm used to you and tentoes :D
 
mauconnfan said:
Gio may have been a cheater, did I say he wasn't? Let's keep playing I have a ton going back a while, I'm not sure you're ready pal, as a matter of fact check out some guys from your championship years before you even start. It will be fun!!! LOL By the way did you watch Urshella I doubt you did?Never seen so many bloopers and bleeders in my life, he will not do it again I promise. But keep coming you're like candy for me. Millar, Trot, Miller, Pearce and his suddenly size 8 helmet let's play... ;)
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Are you serious with this or just trying to embarrass yourself?

A) There was no Miller on a recent Sox team, there was a Mueller who wasn’t a power hitter at all

B) you keep naming guys only YOU suspect. Millar, Bill Mueller and Steve Pearce? Really?? There might be more obvious choices if you’re trying to prove steroid users. None of those guys were major power hitters with the Sox or grossly outperformed their numbers on other teams. Pearce was a Yankee too. Did he go to Sox and start juicing right before the World Series? That was his only great streak on the Sox.

Stick to basketball and golf, you’re really reaching in this thread! It’s okay to yell out uncle and let us get off you.
 
tentoes4rings said:
Interesting Mau that you chose to reference an off year Mookie had in 2017 while conveniently omitting that he hit .318 in 2016 while finishing in the top 5 for MVP.

To use your reasoning, let’s discuss your boy Gio Urshela. The same guy who hit under .230 over 3 terrible seasons with Cleveland. He had SIX career HR in 499 career ABs. He was so bad offensively that he only got 43 ABs for an awful Toronto team. He was almost out of baseball. Then out of nowhere, he bats .315 and swats 21 HR, or one every 22 ABs his first year in pinstripes. Nothing fishy there Mau! Are you sure you want to keep playing this game?
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You mean the way Big Poppy did when he came over from the Twins? That was more dramatic.
 
You guys realize something like 80% of major league players are drafted in the first 2 rounds. This hurts to an extent I thought it would be a first rounder
 
tentoes4rings said:
Interesting Mau that you chose to reference an off year Mookie had in 2017 while conveniently omitting that he hit .318 in 2016 while finishing in the top 5 for MVP.

To use your reasoning, let’s discuss your boy Gio Urshela. The same guy who hit under .230 over 3 terrible seasons with Cleveland. He had SIX career HR in 499 career ABs. He was so bad offensively that he only got 43 ABs for an awful Toronto team. He was almost out of baseball. Then out of nowhere, he bats .315 and swats 21 HR, or one every 22 ABs his first year in pinstripes. Nothing fishy there Mau! Are you sure you want to keep playing this game?
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Mau is completely clueless and baseless in this argument. But it’s fun to watch him try to selectively pick limited points to support his baseless arguments. Not one baseball expert would argue that Betts is not a top 5 player. Yet Mau finds that one stretch in his young career to support an ah-hah moment. By his own ridiculous argument, the entire 2019 Yankee team must have somehow been cheating since they all way over performed their career averages. But no, that would be the ONE time it’s legit. It’s quite comical.
 
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