OT: Re-'Vol'-ting stories about Peyton. . .

[huskypantz]

I would just be interested to see what the Defendants' briefs looked like.

Careful, that's what got Peyton in trouble.

 

[UCFBfan]

Did they dump their trash on us? Is that why it showed up?

I think the other thread is from the men's bball board. I guess all OT threads that talk about football just gets transferred here now? Same thing with that Cam Newton thread?

 

[DaddyChoc]

Did you read it? If true, he is not the person you think he is.

Yeah I read it, terrible... but still wonder why it took to the end of his NFL career

 

[DaddyChoc]

I think it's silly that it was dumped over here

 

[ZOOCONN]

USA Today doesn't have the power to suppress those documents. They're local court filings. Presumably anyone so inclined could walk into the Polk County courthouse and (for a small fee) obtain those documents. I'm not sure what King expected USA Today to do with the documents. As King mentions, they wrote about them two different times.

Now, sure, they could have put them on the internet. But that wouldn't be particularly fair unless they also put the Defendants' briefs online, too. And why is USA Today obligated to be a document repository for every local court case involving a public figure?

Certainly King's article isn't at all fair. He just provides a synopsis of Plaintiff's facts of the case and treats it as though is the absolute truth.
And he uses all sorts of over-dramatic language to embellish his story. "I opened the PDF, began reading, and felt like I had stumbled on to state secrets." Really! You felt like local court records from a well-publicized case that happened 13 years ago are state secrets. How do you think you were able to get copies of this document with 24 hours of first looking into it? Answer - because they're not secret at all!

That being said, the version of facts presented in the document does look awfully bad for Manning and much of it is backed up by the testimony of individuals with no obvious reason to testify against Manning. So yeah, there's a real good chance that Manning and his people screwed this woman over.

I just thought King's article was sensationalist, hack journalism. But even sensationalist hacks have a good point sometimes.

thank you, this is exactly what I was thinking. if you read any of his other pieces they are all written in the same vitriolic manner.

 

[ZOOCONN]

It is disgusting what happened to this young professional, who clearly had done nothing wrong but made the sports star angry at her. However, it's just further evidence of the extreme arrogance and power that football has South.

You have no grounds to say what did or did not happen, there is a 3 page section of the plaintiffs report that has been redacted as instructed by her counsel. it says right in the column that the redacted portion covers the previous incident that was the source of Mannings ire towards the ATC.


Also let me just say before I get attacked by the ever faithful manning hating pats fans, I 100% believe that the incident occurred, the evidence is damning to say the least but that is not the point. the point is that we as a society have all of a sudden become this over reaction, first to write a sensational piece, gotta be the first to say something controversial before I check the facts or write something without a painfully obvious bias. where did journalistic integrity go?....

 

[upstater]

You have no grounds to say what did or did not happen, there is a 3 page section of the plaintiffs report that has been redacted as instructed by her counsel. it says right in the column that the redacted portion covers the previous incident that was the source of Mannings ire towards the ATC.

So you're saying she might have deserved it?

 

[SubbaBub]

Duke Lacrosse, except this was over 20 years ago. My life doesn't require me to have an opinion on this, except to say that in today's world of money, fame worship, and using the law as a weapon, I'm OK with whatever the original proceedings determined. Since that was a settlement, I gather both sides were satisfied with the outcome. Whether that is avoiding a sensationalized trial for one and the other getting a few buck and perhaps some sense of self respect or one avoiding a potential fraud charge and the other avoiding a conviction.

Why this is important is that is shows exactly how dumb it is for Title IX to hold universities responsible for law enforcement. The gist of the suit is that the school "condoned" this behavior his should only be a title IX issue if the school was actively interfering with a criminal complaint or was rounding up coeds for human trafficking.

This suit smells like a cash grab. Every school should adopt an official policy of dispassionately supporting law enforcement investigations of complaints and referring any complaints it receives to local law enforcement. That and the current education programs should clear them of any liability.

 

[ZOOCONN]

So you're saying she might have deserved it?

I feel like thats not what I said.... hmmm
what I said is, you have no idea what events lead up to the Trojan helmet incident. Do not paint her as a totally innocent party without knowing all of the facts of the case. I have personal relationships with many many female ATCs and understand the BS that many athletes put them through better than most. Manning deserves to be judged for his behavior and she deserves an apology for what he did but I for one will not jump to conclusions just because I am told to do so by some hack from the daily news.

 

[huskypantz]

Duke Lacrosse, except this was over 20 years ago.

Please. Duke didn't hand a 6 figure settlement to the victim.

 

[ZOOCONN]

ill just leave this here...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/15/whitlock-calls-out-shaun-king-not-the-quarterback/

 

[upstater]

I feel like thats not what I said.... hmmm
what I said is, you have no idea what events lead up to the Trojan helmet incident. Do not paint her as a totally innocent party without knowing all of the facts of the case. I have personal relationships with many many female ATCs and understand the BS that many athletes put them through better than most. Manning deserves to be judged for his behavior and she deserves an apology for what he did but I for one will not jump to conclusions just because I am told to do so by some hack from the daily news.

Whatever happened between them before, you don't handle it by putting your ass**** on her face.

 

[upstater]

ill just leave this here...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/15/whitlock-calls-out-shaun-king-not-the-quarterback/

Why?

 

[Adios]

Eli's got upper hand once again...

Cooper's in energy. The family will do fine.

 

[ZOOCONN]

Whatever happened between them before, you don't handle it by putting your ass**** on her face.

Again I never said it did, all I said is that you cannot say for certain that there was no previous history. It is 100% an unacceptable response regardless of the previous incident but again dont say that you know this was unprovoked.

 

[ZOOCONN]

Why?

because it goes to the credibility or lack there of in regards to the author of the article

 

[upstater]

Again I never said it did, all I said is that you cannot say for certain that there was no previous history. It is 100% an unacceptable response regardless of the previous incident but again dont say that you know this was unprovoked.

If it's a 100% unacceptable response then it was unprovoked.

 

[upstater]

because it goes to the credibility or lack there of in regards to the author of the article

First, Whitlock doesn't know what he's talking about. It was just a hit piece on the author. I don't know why the link Whitlock gives from the Daily News wasn't good enough for him (the article shows that this guy was beaten badly in high school and had spinal surgery, and friends who witnessed it said it was racial; and the article also has the writer saying all four of his siblings have different fathers, and that his sperm donor was out of the picture when he was born).

Second, I was only referring to the documents from the court testimony, and specifically Peyton's friends, including the fullback, stuff that was never released in those old USA Today articles.

So I think the writer is totally irrelevant here. The only thing that really makes me question the writer is the fact that he writes for the Daily News.

 

[ZOOCONN]

If it's a 100% unacceptable response then it was unprovoked.

incorrect, if I punch you in the face and you in turn pull out a gun and shoot and kill me, your response is 100% unacceptable but not unprovoked.

 

[upstater]

incorrect, if I punch you in the face and you in turn pull out a gun and shoot and kill me, your response is 100% unacceptable but not unprovoked.

Really now?

An employee is not committing a physical act against Peyton. Let's face it.

She did nothing of the sort. She would have been fired. And why would she physically attack a big football player?

You're really reaching here.

 

[ZOOCONN]

Really now?

An employee is not committing a physical act against Peyton. Let's face it.

She did nothing of the sort. She would have been fired. And why would she physically attack a big football player?

You're really reaching here.

......... I never said she struck him, laid a hand on him or anything in that manner I simply was stating cause and effect in simple example. also you again have no idea what that previous incident was, it could have been any number of conflicts that caused an ongoing issue between the two parties that eventually escalated to manning allegedly Trojan helmeting the woman. which again as I have stated many times already was unacceptable.

 

[huskyharry]

You have no grounds to say what did or did not happen, there is a 3 page section of the plaintiffs report that has been redacted as instructed by her counsel. it says right in the column that the redacted portion covers the previous incident that was the source of Mannings ire towards the ATC.


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The disgusting event that I referred to was that she got fired from her position at Florida Southern. I do not believe that that fact is in question, so I certainly think I have grounds to say that the firing was disgusting.

 

[ZOOCONN]

you assume a lot, you are obviously more than welcome to your own opinion as am I. we have no way of knowing why it is she was let go from her job at FS, I have a hard time believing that a world renowned medical professional was removed from her position based solely on the fact that she had nuts dragged across her face at the previous institution that she worked at. but as you said if she was released from her position based solely on that then yes, that is indeed disgusting.

 

[Bonehead]

if this happened to kids on campus I would be even further appalled...

 

[SubbaBub]

Please. Duke didn't hand a 6 figure settlement to the victim.

I doubt UT would if this happened today either. Until the Duke case, everyone ran in fear of these complaints. Today, while still heavily biased to the complaintant, at least there is some investigation.

The Rolling Stone article really flipped my opinion on these cases. The public can have no idea on what really happens between two people. The possibilities run the full spectrum, so any claim serious enough to warrant a complaint needs to be handled by law enforcement.