OT: Re-'Vol'-ting stories about Peyton. . .

[huskypantz]

No, you missed the point. Coach Pressler and the players were the victims in the Duke case.

They are polar opposites.

 

[husky8273]

They are polar opposites.

strike 2!

 

[nelsonmuntz]

As sexual assault goes this is pretty mild stuff. It is mostly stupid and sophomoric. I'm mot defending, I'm calling it for what it is, bad judgement. There should have been a price to pay, at the time. A little sensitivity training. A sincere apology. If the school thinks it should suspend or even kick the kid out, that's their call.

But the idea this has anything to do with the character of the kid is a stretch. If it's a pattern that's a whole different animal. But this is said to be a one time incident. And if that's true, then it's just stupidity which is an epidemic in college.

I once got into it with SU fan because Ben Gordon slapped his girl friend. Shouldn't have done it. Bad judgement. But it in no way defined his personality. I'm not defending the slap, I'm trying to put it in context.

That might be true if Manning dropped it right after it happened. Instead, he tried to destroy this woman's life, twice. F' him.

 

[upstater]

I saw a LOT of questionable behavior when I was an RA in the jungle. Some of it I counseled kids about, some of it I had no choice but to get authorities or the school involved. But I never pretended that stuff didn't happen. And the worst guy on the floor (who was referred to as the "anti-christ" by some of the other RAs) is a productive member of society and hasn't had a drink in 15 years.

The point that Palatine is trying to make is that kids do a lot of dumb things, especially when they are around other kids. Then they grow up. Some people never change, but most do. Judging a 40 year old for something they did when they were 20 is a bit silly to me.

($^## - now I'm defending Palatine)

As people have said a million times in this thread, trying to destroy her life later on is largely the focus of this whole story. It speaks to bratty privilege.

 

[hthusky74]

Looks to me like the Doctor is trying to set up a nice retirement account.

 

[Adios]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...eyewitness-account-of-peyton-manning-incident

So Peyton might have just been mooning, after all.

 

[upstater]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...eyewitness-account-of-peyton-manning-incident

So Peyton might have just been mooning, after all.

People who didn't read the court testimony will believe Manning's roommate. But the court testimony from people like Saxton and others, including the Tenn. football admin. guy who used to call Naughright "Bumper" (look up why he did that), are pretty clear about it. The moon story was made up by the football guy (he said he concocted it once he found out "Bumper" had reported it). Saxton was Manning's friend and testified that Manning did as she alleged. The starting fullback for them backed up Saxton's story. There is a ton of testimony that goes absolutely against this report.

My question to you: why would Saxton, the starting fullback, the Tenn. admin who claimed he made up the mooning story (and who called Naughright "Bumper"), why would these people lie?

What do they have to gain by lying?

We obviously know why Manning's roommate might not be telling the truth, but what do the others gain by lying? Because their story contradicts Manning's roommate.

 

[Adios]

Barbara McNeeley, who worked at the UT-Knoxville Student Health Clinic as the nursing supervisor during Naughright’s time there, described her dealings with Naughright as “rude and crude.” McNeeley says Naughright included the nickname “Bumper” when introducing herself. McNeeley continued: “She’d say, ‘People call me Bumper because I have such big t---,’ and then she’d grab them and shake them.” In her 1996 complaint against the university, Naughright cited the unwelcome use of that nickname by Tennessee players and staff as one of the instances of harassment that contributed to a discriminatory work environment.

 

[upstater]

Barbara McNeeley, who worked at the UT-Knoxville Student Health Clinic as the nursing supervisor during Naughright’s time there, described her dealings with Naughright as “rude and crude.” McNeeley says Naughright included the nickname “Bumper” when introducing herself. McNeeley continued: “She’d say, ‘People call me Bumper because I have such big t---,’ and then she’d grab them and shake them.” In her 1996 complaint against the university, Naughright cited the unwelcome use of that nickname by Tennessee players and staff as one of the instances of harassment that contributed to a discriminatory work environment.

So, let me get this straight. Mike Rollo claimed that he made the Bumper comment up, but you're saying he is lying.

Why would anyone lie about such a thing?

"As an undergraduate in 1989, Naughright, who had interned for a year with the women's athletic programs (including the world-famous UT women's basketball team), was transferred to the men's programs. According to court documents and affidavits, her boss, associate trainer Mike Rollo, perceived Naughright to be a lesbian. Rollo, who had just left working with a group of young women he also thought to be lesbians, allegedly began calling Naughright "c--t bumper." This wasn't a rare occurrence or something he said to her only in private; he called her that in front of others. For three years, until 1992, when Naughright built up enough courage to complain, she said she was almost exclusively called "c--t bumper," or "bumper" for short, by a variety of staff members in the program (see court documents, pages 5-7; all subsequent references are to these).

According to the allegations in the documents, Rollo regularly referred to the women's teams, known as the Lady Volunteers, as the Lady Lickers. Naughright, who is not a lesbian, said she was told by Rollo that she would just have to get used to hearing such vulgarities. Since she was one of the first women to work in the men's program, the 20-year-old Naughright decided to endure the abuse if it meant she could serve as a pioneer of sorts for women in sports. After Naughright issued a formal complaint, Rollo and other staff members allegedly were ordered by administrators to cease the practice. While the name "c--t bumper" ceased, Rollo and the staff continued to call her "bumper" and would frequently add other sexual adjectives to it (see page 8).

Determined to persevere without jeopardizing her career, Naughright began writing policies for the program prohibiting foul or abusive language. First she instituted the policies for athletic training rooms, then later the male cheerleading program. Eventually she would train a variety of student athletes on the proper and professional use of appropriate language."

Seriously, Butch, if someone had made these claims about you, why would you admit they were true if they weren't?

If you can give me even a plausible explanation or answer to this question, then I will say that McNeeley is not definitely a liar.

What's more plausible to you? That Naughright introduced herself to McNeeley by saying "Call me Bumper because I have big tatas" and then she cupped together her tatas and shook them at her, or is it more plausible that Rollo admitted to calling her C-Bumper because, well, he used to call her C-Bumper?

And why would he admit to concocting the mooning story?

 

[J187Money]

Lots of bad actors here. Which stems from having a boy's club with no checks / balances / discipline. Once you tolerate this type of behavior (or perhaps encourage it) god knows what ends up happening. Just because she might also be an @##hole doesn't mean she deserves this type of nonsense. Also doesn't mean that 40 Y/O Peyton Manning is a POS.

If any of us were solely judged on the worst of our actions...