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Old news, do better. Another 5* though taking an official to little old PC. That’s a new phenomenon this year.
 
ninety-nine said:
The man is from Providence. He should give a crap about building his hometown university's program instead of belittling it on his way out the door and saying publicly that Georgetown, which hasn't been consistently good since the days of Mutombo and Iverson, is a superior job. That's a betrayal when PC has been trying to build something, and has actually gotten good. Plus, his recycled schtick at his hiring announcement made him seem really fake.

If Randy Edsall had been from, say, New Haven, New Britain or Bristol, I bet lots of UConn football fans would despise him for leaving for Maryland in 2011. I know I would have been way more annoyed, instead of being disappointed but taking it in stride. The expectations would be different. (Cue Bruce Springsteen's "My Hometown.") I know it's good for the Big East if G'town gets good again, because they do have historical brand recognition, but it's going to be hard to root for Cooley to be the guy who makes it happen.
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This is what I was saying in my post except I wasn't offering my personal feelings on the matter but rather wrote in more objective or neutral language. I was responding to FldCityFan's post about why the PC fans feel betrayed.

Edited a few minutes later:

The part about him being fake is what drives PC fans nuts even more. Cooley is very calculating and know how he is perceived and how PC is perceived. He used his reputation and public perception as a likeable TV Dad for deceitful purposes. Him saying "Divine Providence" is not an "oops that slipped from my tongue moment". Him saying that was part of his plan in preparing for that speech.
 
gsmooth said:
This is what I was saying in my post except I wasn't offering my personal feelings on the matter but rather wrote in more objective or neutral language. I was responding to FldCityFan's post about why the PC fans feel betrayed.

The part about him being fake is what drives PC fans nuts even more. Cooley is very calculating and saying "Divine Providence" is not a "oops that slipped from my tongue moment". Him saying that was part of his plan in preparing for that speech.
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He hadn’t tweeted in a month but somehow managed this yesterday. Enough bad can’t happen to this guy Saturday.
 
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ninety-nine said:
If Randy Edsall had been from, say, New Haven, New Britain or Bristol, I bet lots of UConn football fans would despise him for leaving for Maryland in 2011.
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Oh, plenty of people despise Randy both for leaving, and for coming back. But the thing is we don't go on other peoples boards to talk about it.

For what it's worth I am completely supportive of PC hating Cooley, he earned that. Likewise, I think the big East films ploy was brilliant. Beyond that, it just doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I am curious to hear how PC fans treat him. Maybe get a nice "adulterer" chant going. Hey, if you're going to hate the guy you might as well go all in.
 
John said:
is this one a borderline 5* too?
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Not sure but I’m pretty sure Top 10 is normally 5* I think? I don’t really care until they actually suit up and play so when Tipton said 5* that’s what I went by.
 
Shame he left PC the way he did but he had a family decision. One-stay, continue supporting Providence. But his personal life would be a living hell. Two-leave his town, but at least with his family. He took the latter.

Feels like betrayal to PC basketball and fans, but at least not further betrayal to his family. I think any fan put in his position would understand.
 
bballerct50 said:
Shame he left PC the way he did but he had a family decision. One-stay, continue supporting Providence. But his personal life would be a living hell. Two-leave his town, but at least with his family. He took the latter.

Feels like betrayal to PC basketball and fans, but at least not further betrayal to his family. I think any fan put in his position would understand.
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There is a way to go about dealing with your personal life while not destroying what you had. He didn’t choose that. Ego? Bad advice? Both? Doesn’t matter, the die is cast and he will face the consequences of his decisions.
 
bballerct50 said:
Shame he left PC the way he did but he had a family decision. One-stay, continue supporting Providence. But his personal life would be a living hell. Two-leave his town, but at least with his family. He took the latter.

Feels like betrayal to PC basketball and fans, but at least not further betrayal to his family. I think any fan put in his position would understand.
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He didn't need to be a complete horse's ass about it. Show some regret, some humility. Instead he basically said "good riddance, that place sucks". No class at all.
 
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gsmooth said:
Kim English looks like a good hire. He is young and will make some mistakes, but he could turn out to be really good.
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No doubt. A couple rebuild years. A surprisingly good year and maybe a bid in year 3 or 4 so he can cash in and get a position at a real school.
 
Deepster said:
Their problem is they think they’re us and don’t realize they have and always will be a stepping stone program. Come in, clean up the mess and get a better job elsewhere.

No one worth their salt wants to coach Providence.
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This is a big part of it. In the 1950-70s Providence was a national player. The only real one in New England. They won an NIT when the NIT was the more important tournament, played major schools, not only local ones. In many ways the Big East caused PC to lose their place in the northeast pecking order. Instead of being the Big Fish in New England, they were just another fish in the Big East and never really could get to the top.

They are a stepping stone program and likely will always be one. That’s true of PC. It’s true of most NEWBIE programs. Willard just left the Hall, where he was remarkably ordinary, to take Maryland. Most NEWBIE programs don’t have the money to compete if it comes down to that with the major conferences. Guys who have some level of success are going to get offers and most NOOBS won’t be able to match. There is a reason why last year the Jonnies, Butler and Xavier all hired old guys, 2 with ethical issues, who were unattractive to power programs.

FWIW, I was sure there would be 20 pages decrying the reference to the NEWBIE as a mid-major! LOL
 
Imagine in 1998 if Calhoun was poached by Syracuse midway thru the season, tanking the team, then left high and dry after lying that he was staying.

I feel for PC on this one. I’m angry with them.
 
GT is barely not the dumpster fire that DePaul is - attendance is beyond terrible and the team is not good. Not sure if the dumping of huge amounts of cash in Cooley's lap is enough, I haven't looked recently but the last two years the Hoya boards had a lot of chat about how Admin didn't care about the program. One would hope after parking the Brinks truck for Cooley that there is real interest in restarting their program, time will tell.

Never liked Cooley, still don't. Guess I'll root for PC for the first time tomorrow.
 
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CTBasketball said:
Imagine in 1998 if Calhoun was poached by Syracuse midway thru the season, tanking the team, then left high and dry after lying that he was staying.

I feel for PC on this one. I’m angry with them.
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I'm in the same boat. My hate for Cooley transcends my hate for Providence. At the end of the day, I want a strong Providence (and Georgetown) because it's good for the conference. Cooley as a person can swallow rocks.
 
FriarJ said:
Goofball
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What? Deepster said nobody wants to coach at Providence and your reply was to link to a post about a high school kid visiting.

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WhereistheDove? said:
Makes you really wonder what his next job will be.
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^ Bryant

Georgetown sucks but I would really like to see what is happening at their practices this week. I'd imagine there is pain in that gym.
Georgetown has beaten nobody. They even lost to syracuse for pete's sake. I think Cooley will turn that program around once he has a chance to recruit and to portal, and it will take time. But anything can happen and I would expect a bloody brawl tomorrow in providence.
 
freescooter said:
This is a big part of it. In the 1950-70s Providence was a national player. The only real one in New England. They won an NIT when the NIT was the more important tournament, played major schools, not only local ones. In many ways the Big East caused PC to lose their place in the northeast pecking order. Instead of being the Big Fish in New England, they were just another fish in the Big East and never really could get to the top.

They are a stepping stone program and likely will always be one. That’s true of PC. It’s true of most NEWBIE programs. Willard just left the Hall, where he was remarkably ordinary, to take Maryland. Most NEWBIE programs don’t have the money to compete if it comes down to that with the major conferences. Guys who have some level of success are going to get offers and most NOOBS won’t be able to match. There is a reason why last year the Jonnies, Butler and Xavier all hired old guys, 2 with ethical issues, who were unattractive to power programs.

FWIW, I was sure there would be 20 pages decrying the reference to the NEWBIE as a mid-major! LOL
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stop trying to make fetch happen regina george GIF
 
CL82 said:
What? Deepster said nobody wants to coach at Providence and your reply was to link to a post about a high school kid visiting.

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Reading is fundamental. Emphasis on mental for you. He said, "no one worth their salt", you now can figure out the rest.
 
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I’m afraid he is going to start poaching more of our players at Gtown. Corey Floyd at PC. Who’s next? Andre Johnson Junior?
 
CTBasketball said:
Imagine in 1998 if Calhoun was poached by Syracuse midway thru the season, tanking the team, then left high and dry after lying that he was staying.

I feel for PC on this one. I’m angry with them.
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That was at the point where many people thought Calhoun couldn’t get over the top. There was talk of trying to replace him with Tom Penders a few years earlier. That had mostly died down by 1998, as had Penders’ career. But I imagine many people would have said “Good. Now we can bring in the guy to take the final step.” By the way, at that time a Final Four was the big step, not a National Championship. He had also been much more successful than Cooley FWIW.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I'm beyond sick and tired of PC fans whining about this. They lost a coach, that happens. They aren't the first school that this happened to and the won't be the last.

I remember when Michigan, with a team capable of making a very deep run in the tournament, discovered days before the tournament began that their head coach was negotiating with another school (to the point where an agreement had been reached and an announcement would be made once Michigan's season was over) to become their head coach. Did they whine? No! They fired the culprit before the tournament began and went on to win the whole thing.

So he had an illicit affair. If this offense is that egregious they should have fired him for it, not whine about it happening and then cry about the role that played in his departure. I remember when Arkansas fired their head football coach once an illicit affair that he was involved in was discovered.

He misled them about his looking to leave. I remember when Cincinnati's head football coach, shortly before a bowl game in what was then their best season ever responded "It's silly season. Don't listen to the noise" when asked if he was interviewing with Notre Dame.

Hell, even schools at the top of the food chain aren't immune to things like this. Michigan just lost their head football coach to the NFL. When Miami was a cut above everyone else in college football they lost their head coach to the NFL three different times (Johnson, Ericson and Davis) and fourth (Schnellenberger) that thought he had an NFL job waiting for him.

Did they apologize to Fairfield for taking Cooley? To GM for taking English? Hell, every head coach comes from somewhere and it's normally at another school's expense.

They need to get over it.
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Their panties get twisted over their alleged ownership to the rights to a Taylor Swift song. It’s a fan base of snowflakes.
 
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