OT: Player who didn’t make the baseball Hall of Fame that you think should?

[mauconnfan]

I'm with you that neither should be in. But a much better hitter in his prime? Do the numbers I posted mean anything? Baines had a prettier swing, that's about it.

Evans' two best seasons:

1987 -- .305 BA, 34 HR, 123 RBI, .986 OPS, 106 walks.
1982 -- .292 BA, 32 HR, 98 RBI, .932 OPS, 112 walks.
(his 1981 season was actually better but tough to compare due to the strike)

Baines' best two:

1984 -- .304 BA, 29 HR, 94 RBI, .903 OPS, 54 walks
1999 -- .312 BA, 25 HR, 103 RBI, .919 OPS, 54 walks (extra credit for doing this at age 40)

Evans was really good, Baines was a better "hitter" no doubt not just a prettier swing. But neither scared you when they got in the box. The walks are really a nice stat those 2years for Dewey which brings him to a better OBP impressive, never really knew that of him. As I said better argument for DE but nope for both.

 

[mauconnfan]

Oh, PLEASE!!!!

Dewey had the quintessential Walt Hreniak swing. Who in New England didn't imitate that swing playing Wiffle Ball?

Wait please tell me you don't believe Hreniaks guys swings were pretty?

 

[mauconnfan]

I use it because the old folks still value it . . .

If you're not driving in runs you better be walkimng a ton and scoring a ton. Otherwise tell me the impact as a 3-4-5 hitter?

 

[Excalibur]

If you're not driving in runs you better be walkimng a ton and scoring a ton. Otherwise tell me the impact as a 3-4-5 hitter?

Plenty of teams now put their best power hitters at the very top of the lineup.

Of course, in the Baines/Evans argument, Evans had similar RBI numbers while batting out of the leadoff spot for a good portion of his career.

 

[Husky25]

Wait please tell me you don't believe Hreniaks guys swings were pretty?

Griffey Jr. did the same thing. It looked much prettier from the left side when the bat led him down the line.

 

[Excalibur]

Griffey Jr. did the same thing. It looked much prettier from the left side when the bat led him down the line.

Ok I think my sarcasm detector is a bit off . . .

 

[Husky25]

Ok I think my sarcasm detector is a bit off . . .

No. It's probably working well. I think that Evans' swing was quirky (and effective), but not exactly pleasing to the eye. On the other hand it was famous and often imitated. Of course, rarely duplicated (See: Jordan, Michael).

 

[nomar]

Fred McGriff, Joey Belle and Andruw Jones belong.

From the list:

Bonds, Clemens and Walker.

I just told Belle that you called him Joey. He's going to hit you with a corked bat.

 

[whaler11]

Exactly, it's hard to believe people are this naive. Everyone was taking them then because the league wanted everyone taking them then.

Steroids and HGH are still rampant in every sport. For some reason nobody has ever cared that all our football players are on it. People care about players going brain dead but they don't care about the roids they are all taking. A big part of the reason they are going brain dead is because of the roids.

Edelman versus Bonds. Kinda different.

 

[whaler11]

Yup, the Mets pay him every July 1st through 2035.

Maybe my favorite random opponent.

Greenwich softball league.

Bobby Bo hitting balls on top of the public bathroom what felt like a mile away but in play.

 

[lavuuk153]

If you're not driving in runs you better be walkimng a ton and scoring a ton. Otherwise tell me the impact as a 3-4-5 hitter?

The problem with RBIs are they are team dependent. If you have bad teammates you get less opportunities. It’s really no different than a great pitcher who gets no run support having a mediocre record.

 

[lavuuk153]

I can’t believe how much support Vizquel is getting over someone like Rolen or Andruw Jones.

 

[intlzncster]

I can’t believe how much support Vizquel is getting over someone like Rolen or Andruw Jones.

Well, Scott Rolen was a noted . And Vizquel was a very nice guy. Writers doing their thing.

Heard Jones was a good guy though.

 

[Huskybass]

Grouchy me is going with "none of the above" on this one. Clemens and Bonds blew it with the steroids, it's unforgivable no matter how many players were doing it. If Petite doesn't play for the Yankees, he and his lifetime 3.85 ERA wouldn't be in the conversation. He's a classic Hall of Very Good player along with Walker, Visquel and Shiling. Visquel is the closest in my book because of his glove, but the numbers on all of them just don't add up.

Pettite has 19 postseason wins, the most all time. You may want to consider that.

 

[superjohn]

Edelman versus Bonds. Kinda different.

Sure but they all do it in football. Peyton Manning or Tom Brady versus Bonds.

 

[lavuuk153]

Pettite has 19 postseason wins, the most all time. You may want to consider that.

He also had 9 more starts than anyone else. I think he’s close but for me he’s the tier right below.

 

[intlzncster]

Sure but they all do it in football. Peyton Manning or Tom Brady versus Bonds.

Besides, half the point of football is showcasing speed, power, and strength.

I'd argue, if a guy isn't doing something (especially a guy Edelman's size), he's a lunatic. Gotta not get killed out there.

 

[Yankees32123]

Curt Schilling is a POS, absolutely garbage person, but he was a helluva pitcher and deserves to be in. And the fact that him being a garbage person is keeping him out of the Hall is a shame.

 

[Mr. French]

Not to mention all the pitchers with their spitballs and Vagisil. Corked bats. etc.

Vagisil? I’m guessing the Mets?

 

[Mr. French]

Greg Maddux over everybody.

 

[intlzncster]

Vagisil? I’m guessing the Mets?

hahaha 'Major League' reference.

Just a PSA: Crisco. Bardol. Vagisil. Any one of them will give you another two to three inches' drop on your curveball.

 

[superjohn]

Besides, half the point of football is showcasing speed, power, and strength.

I'd argue, if a guy isn't doing something (especially a guy Edelman's size), he's a lunatic. Gotta not get killed out there.

I would be surprised by any players who are not doing roids and hgh in football.

It just doesn't make sense that we care so much about it in baseball but nobody cares they all do it in football. Bigger, stronger, faster in football means more head injuries in that sport. Bigger, stronger, faster in baseball means more home runs. You either think of football players as gladiators and don't care about them going brain dead or you actually care about their safety and want to get rid of that stuff, you can't have it both ways.

 

[FlippinCrazy!]

Pettite has 19 postseason wins, the most all time. You may want to consider that.

As a Red Sox fan, I will say I never once feared facing pettite in the playoffs. In fact, actually preferred it.

Only talent that stood out about pettite was his extremely borderline-balk pickoff move to 1st.

 

[Excalibur]

hahaha 'Major League' reference.

Just a PSA: Crisco. Bardol. Vagisil. Any one of them will give you another two to three inches' drop on your curveball.

Of course, if the umps are watching me close I just rub a little jalapeno up inside my nose, get it runnin and if I need to load the ball up a little, I just *sniff* wipe my nose . . .

 

[lavuuk153]

Of course, if the umps are watching me close I just rub a little jalapeno up inside my nose, get it runnin and if I need to load the ball up a little, I just *sniff* wipe my nose . . .

You put snot on the ball?!?