OT: Peyton

[Excalibur]

It's a court case. How is his premise made-up?

Explained in the other thread. I have no time to explain further. The court case is not his premise.

 

[intlzncster]

My race-baiting about Shaun King?!?? That's a new low for even you. I wanted Cam and the Panthers to win and constantly defended him while people have been bashing him for things like dancing too much and smiling too much which I find are racially prejudiced reactions. I'm the furthest thing from a Peyton fan or a fan of any of the Mannings, I'm a Giants fan that doesn't even want Eli as our quarterback. Of course you don't want to be reminded of the PSU stuff, the whole board tore you apart for it. I'm actually surprised you still post here after that.

Liked a lot of this post, but this made me chuckle. Who would you want instead?? As a Pats fan, Eli has been a royal pain in my arse.

From a Cam perspective, I wanted the Panthers to win as well, but I don't think the criticism is (mostly) race related. It's probably a part, especially for a smaller subsection of the population. But there are so many things that go into it. His conduct in college is part of it. The self-anointed Superman shtick is part of it. The cultural clash (the dancing, look at me cockiness). Media focus. And so on.

Look at Winston. He's a black QB with a horrible rep coming out of college. He's kept his head down, worked hard and toed the line. He's got a good chance to be successful, given his rookie performance. But he doesn't catch much flack anymore. It's not a black thing.

Wilson catches no flack (except for not schtooping his fiance). Bridgewater? None. Moon never did. Cunningham neither. And that was in a harsher time race-relation speaking.

 

[intlzncster]

Any sports fan knows this story, it's been around for like 20 years. It's a 13 year old court filing from the woman's lawyers. Shaun King wrote his story because Peyton Manning was playing in the Super Bowl against Cam Newton. He wants to paint the picture that the media hates Cam Newton because he's young black and brash and the media loves the golden boy hokey image of the old white Peyton Manning. Shaun King is a fraud and it's a joke that he's still writing for a paper. The NY Daily News was never a bastion of journalism but nowadays it's worse than the tabloids you see at the checkout counter. Again the allegation about Manning could be true but if you don't think Shaun King has an agenda I don't know what to tell you. He certainly wasn't writing this because he actually cares about the woman possibly being victimized 20 years ago.

There are parts that are new though. Especially the bit about an apparently upstanding and successful woman losing future employment over the matter (after Peyton's book came out).

 

[intlzncster]

Explained in the other thread. I have no time to explain further. The court case is not his premise.

Upstater's point is that we are discussing facts from the court case, and that is what is important. King's perspective is irrelevant in the matter anyway.

 

[FASTEDDY]

Peyton Manning is the dirt bag that I always thought he was.

Why the media always seems to believe him and give him a pass is a crime.

I hope Manning pays for what he has done and pays in every way possible.

 

[superjohn]

Liked a lot of this post, but this made me chuckle. Who would you want instead?? As a Pats fan, Eli has been a royal pain in my arse.

From a Cam perspective, I wanted the Panthers to win as well, but I don't think the criticism is (mostly) race related. It's probably a part, especially for a smaller subsection of the population. But there are so many things that go into it. His conduct in college is part of it. The self-anointed Superman shtick is part of it. The cultural clash (the dancing, look at me cockiness). Media focus. And so on.

Look at Winston. He's a black QB with a horrible rep coming out of college. He's kept his head down, worked hard and toed the line. He's got a good chance to be successful, given his rookie performance. But he doesn't catch much flack anymore. It's not a black thing.

Wilson catches no flack (except for not schtooping his fiance). Bridgewater? None. Moon never did. Cunningham neither. And that was in a harsher time race-relation speaking.

Eli was pretty clutch in some huge games in his career but overall I just don't consider him a top tier quarterback, he's way too inconsistent and has led the league in int's 3 times. When you say it's cultural with Cam Newton I think that's just kind of a coded thing to say instead of calling it racial. When people are saying nasty things about you because you smile too much and dance too much there is something more to it, than just wanting your QB to be stoic and show more personality. Plenty of white QB's have smiled a bunch, danced and done end one celebrations without ever feeling the wrath from fans and media. You mention certain other black QB's not being judged, maybe that's because they fit the model of what many people inherently think a black man playing the position is supposed to act, buttoned up and with less emotion. Also if you think those black QB's you mentioned never caught any flack that's incredibly naive of you.

 

[superjohn]

Upstater's point is that we are discussing facts from the court case, and that is what is important. King's perspective is irrelevant in the matter anyway.

Sure but not recognizing King's agenda is not being honest with yourself. Again, what is alleged about Peyton all may be true but I felt it necessary to point out who the article was coming from and why he was writing it. King is a disgrace and it's disgraceful that the Daily News knows what he's all about and they still let him write for them.

 

[intlzncster]

Sure but not recognizing King's agenda is not being honest with yourself. Again, what is alleged about Peyton all may be true but I felt it necessary to point out who the article was coming from and why he was writing it. King is a disgrace and it's disgraceful that the Daily News knows what he's all about and they still let him write for them.

The Daily News is what it is these days. Most print has skewed that way.

 

[intlzncster]

Eli was pretty clutch in some huge games in his career but overall I just don't consider him a top tier quarterback, he's way too inconsistent and has led the league in int's 3 times. When you say it's cultural with Cam Newton I think that's just kind of a coded thing to say instead of calling it racial. When people are saying nasty things about you because you smile too much and dance too much there is something more to it, than just wanting your QB to be stoic and show more personality. Plenty of white QB's have smiled a bunch, danced and done end one celebrations without ever feeling the wrath from fans and media. You mention certain other black QB's not being judged, maybe that's because they fit the model of what many people inherently think a black man playing the position is supposed to act, buttoned up and with less emotion. Also if you think those black QB's you mentioned never caught any flack that's incredibly naive of you.

I'm sure they caught some flak, but was it ever a huge story or a media focus, or even a fan focus? It wasn't.

It's not so much the dancing imo, it's the arrogance: as typified by things like calling himself superman and his outward lack of humility. And the claiming glory when winning, but not accepting responsibility when losing.

You don't think Belichick or Calhoun get flack for being arrogant? They get crucified by media and fans alike.

Guys like Brady and Favre are demonstrative on the field, but it comes off as less of a 'look at me' thing, and more of pure celebration. And they attempt to be somewhat humble off the field, which enhances the prior observation.

In basketball, there's plenty of people who don't like the jersey popping or the fist pumping thing, but everyone does it. So your options are to accept it, or not watch BB at all.

This coming from a guy who likes Cam's attitude and play on the field. Didn't care for the press conference, but I'm not holding it against him. Maybe he'll learn.

Just musing, but I think some of it is jealousy. These guys have such enormous privilege, money, power, status. Just for playing a game. People don't want to have them tell you how great they are. Be humble. Accept your gifts with humility and grace and gratefulness.

 

[FartMan69]

The Manning Mafia has no bounds when it comes to discrediting people accusing them of wrong doings. Peyton rubs his balls all over the poor girls face and Archie tells everyone she's a whore. Classy group the Manning clan is.

 

[superjohn]

I'm sure they caught some flak, but was it ever a huge story or a media focus, or even a fan focus? It wasn't.

It's not so much the dancing imo, it's the arrogance: as typified by things like calling himself superman and his outward lack of humility. And the claiming glory when winning, but not accepting responsibility when losing.

You don't think Belichick or Calhoun get flack for being arrogant? They get crucified by media and fans alike.

Guys like Brady and Favre are demonstrative on the field, but it comes off as less of a 'look at me' thing, and more of pure celebration. And they attempt to be somewhat humble off the field, which enhances the prior observation.

In basketball, there's plenty of people who don't like the jersey popping or the fist pumping thing, but everyone does it. So your options are to accept it, or not watch BB at all.

This coming from a guy who likes Cam's attitude and play on the field. Didn't care for the press conference, but I'm not holding it against him. Maybe he'll learn.

Just musing, but I think some of it is jealousy. These guys have such enormous privilege, money, power, status. Just for playing a game. People don't want to have them tell you how great they are. Be humble. Accept your gifts with humility and grace and gratefulness.

I think every black quarterback has been held to a different standard forever, it's just the way it is. Warren Moon was always screwed over and had to break every record in the CFL to prove he could play the position, he's one of the greatest passers ever and until the last second he was told he had to switch to WR or defensive back, positions he wouldn't have made it professionally in.

 

[2UCONN04]

As a Denver Broncos fan, I have read plenty of blog discussions in regards to King's article. The jest of all the discussions is that King's article is based solely on the woman's point of view as detailed by her lawyer. Obviously it is going to paint the extreme version of the incident to that will tarnish Peyton's defense. It must be pointed out that the woman and Peyton settled out of court so we will never know the full story of what actually happened. But usually there are two sides to every story and the truth usually lies in between.

Anyways, Manning is a corporate shill who has carefully crafted his persona. I am grateful for the time he spent in Denver (he was nothing but a pro and ambassador to Denver and NFL during his time there) but glad that he will move on (either retired or onto the LA Rams).

 

[intlzncster]

As a Denver Broncos fan, I have read plenty of blog discussions in regards to King's article. The jest of all the discussions is that King's article is based solely on the woman's point of view as detailed by her lawyer. Obviously it is going to paint the extreme version of the incident to that will tarnish Peyton's defense. It must be pointed out that the woman and Peyton settled out of court so we will never know the full story of what actually happened. But usually there are two sides to every story and the truth usually lies in between.

While I get the sentiment there. In my observation, when dealing with famous people, the truth is often closer to one end of the spectrum than another.

This is indisputable though: she lost her job due to Peyton's own public claims. There are also definitive accounts and texts that corroborate some of what she is saying (the other athlete's txts to Peyton). And Peyton broke the terms of the deal by continuing to discuss the incident publicly, so more of the story could come out (maybe more to come, who knows).

 

[2UCONN04]

While I get the sentiment there. In my observation, when dealing with famous people, the truth is often closer to one end of the spectrum than another.

This is indisputable though: she lost her job due to Peyton's own public claims. There are also definitive accounts and texts that corroborate some of what she is saying (the other athlete's txts to Peyton). And Peyton broke the terms of the deal by continuing to discuss the incident publicly, so more of the story could come out (maybe more to come, who knows).

Well, Peyton didn't break any terms this time, as it is being reported by a third party (King). So Peyton won't be held liable this time around. Peyton has already settled with the woman after the book incident came about and one other time.

This article from a Broncos blog has a good breakdown and reaction from this current situation: http://www.milehighreport.com/2016/2/16/11015918/peyton-manning-scandal-shaun-king-tennessee-1996

 

[intlzncster]

Well, Peyton didn't break any terms this time, as it is being reported by a third party (King). So Peyton won't be held liable this time around. Peyton has already settled with the woman after the book incident came about and one other time.

This article from a Broncos blog has a good breakdown and reaction from this current situation: http://www.milehighreport.com/2016/2/16/11015918/peyton-manning-scandal-shaun-king-tennessee-1996

Didn't he also say something (dismissive of it) in an interview a couple of years ago too? That's the latest one I was referring to. If that's settled too, then you are correct.

And, if we are being inclusive, she's lost two jobs out of this ordeal. She got the far worse end of the stick, settlement be damned.

I'd also say that, for most of the country, this is new. It was well managed PR wise originally, and swept under the rug (sans social media to fan the flames). There's also a different socio/political climate these days, which changes the 'standard' under which the incident is measured from a cultural perspective. Since Peyton is held up as a bastion of integrity (and makes a lot of money off of that), the incident in question deserves to be examined in this harsher light. jmo

I agree with most of this perspective:
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/02/16/peyton-manning-book-innocent-guilty/

 

[David 76]

Gee, I would think Brady fans would know to hold judgement until the facts are in. You certainly preached it enough a year ago.

I don't get the correlation between Brady love and Peyton hate. Is it because Manning is still a threat to Tommy?

 

[mauconnfan]

Gee, I would think Brady fans would know to hold judgement until the facts are in. You certainly preached it enough a year ago.

I don't get the correlation between Brady love and Peyton hate. Is it because Manning is still a threat to Tommy?

Funny thing is if Tom rubbed his ballsac on a young ladies face Pats fans would say he's cool. And she was picking on him so that's why did it, he always gets the "short end of the stick."

 

[intlzncster]

Gee, I would think Brady fans would know to hold judgement until the facts are in. You certainly preached it enough a year ago.

I don't get the correlation between Brady love and Peyton hate. Is it because Manning is still a threat to Tommy?

Nah, we'd rather have equal treatment.

And I don't think anyone is stringing him up by the cross here.

 

[upstater]

Funny thing is if Tom rubbed his ballsac on a young ladies face Pats fans would say he's cool. And she was picking on him so that's why did it, he always gets the "short end of the stick."

Pretty lame post. One of your lamest.