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upstater said:
Not leaving it out, it just didn't pertain to what I was discussing. I was responding to someone who suggested the BOT should have had oversight.
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The BOT unquestionably knew the character of JoPa, and his belief that he was Penn State. That is why they are severely tainted.
 
uc1974 said:
I am guessing (just my opinion) the penalty will be a bowl ban for 3-5 years, forfeiture of profits for 3 years, money to go to abuse prevention, scholarship reductions and no TV for home games. Scholarship reduction hurts only PSU as there are umpteen other programs where players can get scholarships, from Duke to SE Missouri State. Bowl ban hurts only PSU, no profits hurts only PSU and no home TV hurts mostly PSU although TV could be allowed with profits forfeited. Short of a death penalty, what else can you do? It would not be fair to PSU's opponents to pull the schedule at this late date so that option was probably rejected. There also could be imposed a home game limit of 4 or 5 games per season. None of this will ever be enough but I suspect my guess will be close to what actually happens.
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Forfeiture of profits can be easily schemed. No school makes profits. All they have to do is include the line items they don't currently include, or get rid of revenues such a direct fees, etc. The NCAA sanctions have to be football/sports specific. if they include $$ as part of the penalty, it will be a whitewash since that has been in the works already for a very long time, as a kind of self-sanction.
 
Wow. So not only was there a child abuse coverup at PSU they'll cook the books, too? You're serious? OK, flat fine then, $10,000,000.
 
I agree with those who think the penalties will be minimal, but here is what I think is appropriate:

For every year that Sandusky was raping children and the University had reason to suspect it -- which, if I'm not mistaken (haven't been following the case closely), would include years from the 1970s to 2000s -- PSU is barred for one year from bowls, and experiences in reduction in scholarships.

Thus, if they permitted the rapes for 24 years, bar them from postseason play and reduce scholarships by 10 for 24 years.

That should reduce them to the level of Indiana or lower. And 24 years should be long enough to change the culture.
 
"The penalties, however, are considered to be so harsh that the death penalty may have been preferable, the source said."

So no death penalty. Yep, the NCAA will slap their wrist.
 
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upstater said:
Not leaving it out, it just didn't pertain to what I was discussing. I was responding to someone who suggested the BOT should have had oversight.
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I'm not suggesting anything, I am saying they had a legal obligation to do so.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
So if the reports of post season bans and scholarship reductions are accurate, does that mean: low APR/text message violations = enabling/covering up child rape?
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This is perfectly stated and so true if these punishments are just that, a bowl ban and scholarship reduction. I will also hold judgement until after 9am tomorrow but I cannot wait to see reaction if this is all the penalty is.
 
Stinger92860 said:
Please explain why this would be stupid?
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They can't cancel this season because what happens to the holes in the 12 programs that were supposed to play PSU? You can't reschedule games for those 12 teams in about a months time. The penalties would need to be in place for '13-'14 season if they impose a football ban.
 
uc1974 said:
Wow. So not only was there a child abuse coverup at PSU they'll cook the books, too? You're serious? OK, flat fine then, $10,000,000.
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Who doesn't cook the books?
 
UCername said:
I'm not suggesting anything, I am saying they had a legal obligation to do so.
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They didn't have a legal obligation. The charter is expressly clear on this. They are to stay out of all governance matters and only conduct hiring. This is why they sought reforms in 2004. They wanted to change the university's charter. They had the exact opposite of legal authority in this matter. Legally, they were expressly forbidden from interfering by Penn. state law.
 
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Waquoit said:
This entire process seems choreographed. Report, statue, leaks, NCAA announcement coming out with military precision. How did PSU get the NCAA to play ball? Why was UConn left hanging for so long for much, much less?
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What sport is the bigger moneymaker: BCS College Football? or M College Bball? The fiasco at PSU as way way bigger, from a financial standpoint, than UCONN's MBB issue... We'll be OK... PSU's football squad generated way more doe.. and now this happens? They are handling this matter as "corporately" as possible...
 
upstater said:
My reaction to this is threefold.

1. The guy initiating the report is Arman Keteyian, the person who put the pressure on Goodell prior to the punishment for the Patriots on Spygate. Goodell and the media were discussing a Broncos like penalty of a third rounder. So, use the word "unprecedented" and then when sanctions are announced on Monday morning, you create controversy when you realize the punishment is lighter than they hype.

2. No hearing means PSU is already on board with this and the NCAA.

3. The fact that they're not waiting for the September trials that are only 45 days away probably means the sanctions will impact this season (otherwise they would have waited because Curley and Schultz are expected to provide a timeline of discussions during those trials, and obviously they will have to fit into the context of the emails and memos they sent).

So, given that the NCAA has elected not to go through procedure for sanctions in this case, and given the way the NCAA operates, this report is probably just hype.

Prepare to be underwhelmed. Because if the NCAA was truly going to give PSU, say, an unprecedented multi-year death penalty, they would have waited until after the trials. No way they punish PSU that severely without a hearing or without more discovery. I'm not saying they don't have enough to punish PSU now--they do. I am saying they would wait 45 days to become 99.9% certain. After all, they took forever in the UConn case just to hear more evidence on phone calls. The last thing the NCAA wants to do now is get itself into a situation, as with Patrick Sellers, where it admits to punishing a person or entity when it doesn't have all the evidence or when evidence contradicts earlier conclusions.

That's why--if there's an announcement Monday--I expect it to be a whitewash, and then you'll see lots and lots of media anger.
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"never seen anything like it!"

What have we seen?

1. One Death Penalty.
2. Probations of of varying length.
3. Loss of scholarships in varying numbers.
4. Bowl and TV bans of varying length.

5. Combinations of 2 thru 4.

There is no adjective awful enough to describe Child molestation. It is an abomination. What you are suggesting would be possible if it were anything else, including murder. This is about Sandusky horribly abusing little kids while other, highly placed, grown-ups participated in a cover-up of his actions. The NCAA is very aware of the vox populi. The NCAA knows the whole nation and a good part of the world is watching. It's not the type of ruling that incenses fans in one state and fan shrugs in the other forty-nine. Finally, the NCAA knows it can't hide behind by-laws it stores on the planet Obfuscate. If whatever they announce is perceived to be a "whitewash" or slap on the wrist, all the nastiness directed (and deservedly so) at Penn State will be shared by the NCAA. The back page tabloid headlines will read: "NCAA Condones Child Molestation."

Two more points:
When has the NCAA ever worried about or considered due process?
I sincerely hope I'm not wrong.
 
upstater said:
I have no idea what you're going on about. Continue in your forever ignorance.
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Why don't you take your "I'm not sticking up for a pedophile, I'm making excuses for an organization that covered up for one act" to someplace where people are stupid enough to believe it.
 
UCFBfan said:
They can't cancel this season because what happens to the holes in the 12 programs that were supposed to play PSU? You can't reschedule games for those 12 teams in about a months time. The penalties would need to be in place for '13-'14 season if they impose a football ban.
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PSU will wish they never played those games. It will be nightmare. Pulling this one out of nowhere....have schools play a home and home. Take some of the money from the 2nd game and give it to charity or just let the schools keep it. If I remember correctly the BCS championship game was a replay.
 
Stinger92860 said:
As I peruse the web looking for information, my prediction is that the penalties will underwhelm most of the non-PSU landscape, yet the PSU fans will scream that it's unfair. I believe the NCAA and PSU do not understand the PR storm that is about to unfold. I saw a statement by SNAP expecting the Death Penalty for years.Based on the leaks, I do not see this happening and as a result a significant backlash against both the NCAA and PSU. I can only hope that the civil suits bring PSU to it's senses over the next few years.
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Prior to the "Freeh Report" release, there were "leaks" saying Freeh was a tool of the Trustees and Lawyers, for attribution, that said that the whole issue would be whitewashed. All we can do is wait.
 
Stinger92860 said:
PSU will wish they never played those games. It will be nightmare. Pulling this one out of nowhere....have schools play a home and home. Take some of the money from the 2nd game and give it to charity or just let the schools keep it. If I remember correctly the BCS championship game was a replay.
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I'm not quite sure what you're suggesting here besides forcing teams to play home and homes with PSU. Do you think anyone is lining up to play them right now? You have to assess a season ban for 13-14 at the soonest, and I think that would be a reasonable conclusion. Let them play this year so the players dont get hurt, all revenue goes to either the victims, a fund, or somewhere but the PSU bank account, then all players may transfer with no penalty after 12-13, no other program is hurt by losing an unreschedulable home game this year, can make plans to reschedule the 13-14 games, and there are far fewer needless bystanders affected by this who did not commit any violations.
 
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ZooCougar said:
Why don't you take your "I'm not sticking up for a pedophile, I'm making excuses for an organization that covered up for one act" to someplace where people are stupid enough to believe it.
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More of the same. Aren't just embarrassed with yourself? You should be.
 
FAIRTIDES said:
Prior to the "Freeh Report" release, there were "leaks" saying Freeh was a tool of the Trustees and Lawyers, for attribution, that said that the whole issue would be whitewashed. All we can do is wait.
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Oh, and he wasn't?
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
I'm not quite sure what you're suggesting here besides forcing teams to play home and homes with PSU. Do you think anyone is lining up to play them right now? You have to assess a season ban for 13-14 at the soonest, and I think that would be a reasonable conclusion. Let them play this year so the players dont get hurt, all revenue goes to either the victims, a fund, or somewhere but the PSU bank account, then all players may transfer with no penalty after 12-13, no other program is hurt by losing an unreschedulable home game this year, can make plans to reschedule the 13-14 games, and there are far fewer needless bystanders affected by this who did not commit any violations.
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What I was suggesting was that the teams with holes play each other. For example Ohio St and Michigan play a home and home. I should have been clearer.
 
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Should be a death penalty for 2 years, after playing this upcoming year. Kids should be allowed to transfer out. Bowl ban, championship ban, and scholarship reduction for 10 years. Forever tarnished reputation! Disgusting.
 
I have to disagree, let them play, but force them to not benefit financially in ANY way. All ticket, concession, TV, merchandise, and any other revenue to the university is donated to charity or the victims, that way no players, local businesses/merchants, other programs who scheduled them are affected negatively. Basically, they're playing for the sake of playing. Also, no bowls/B1G championships, and players may transfer at any time with no penalty. All current scholarships may be honored, but none allowed to be awarded for the next two seasons. That's basically a death penalty right there.
 
junglehusky said:
CBS now reporting $30-60 million fine which will be donated to charity.
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If the NCAA tries that, it probably won't see a dime. I'll be very surprised to see that. Such money would come out of the general budget (i.e. tuition). With 40k students, that $1,500 for each one. If there is such a fine (which, I don't think the NCAA has fined anyone before other than return of paid money, etc.) there should be a revolt on PSU's campus and a push to simply leave the NCAA (i.e. the academic side doesn't pay the NCAA).
 
brasssbonanzaa said:
I have to disagree, let them play, but force them to not benefit financially in ANY way. All ticket, concession, TV, merchandise, and any other revenue to the university is donated to charity or the victims, that way no players, local businesses/merchants, other programs who scheduled them are affected negatively. Basically, they're playing for the sake of playing. Also, no bowls/B1G championships, and players may transfer at any time with no penalty. All current scholarships may be honored, but none allowed to be awarded for the next two seasons. That's basically a death penalty right there.
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Kill the program.

This plan of yours doesn't work since there is literally no profit. They couldn't run a sports department without that revenue. It has to come from the academic side.

Yu're putting sports ahead of academics in this.

As for not hurting other programs, now we know that college ball has become TOO BIG TO FAIL. You're saying these programs are so big now that we can't have one end football?
 
junglehusky said:
CBS now reporting $30-60 million fine which will be donated to charity.
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PSU makes 50M a year from Football, plus donations. What an f''ing joke. Proof it pays to cover-up your crimes. If you don't get caught, worse case is less than 1 year of revenues. Wow. I hope the civil judgement's and associated expenses total 1B.
 
Stinger92860 said:
PSU makes 50M a year from Football, plus donations. What an f''ing joke. Proof it pays to cover-up your crimes. If you don't get caught, worse case is less than 1 year of revenues. Wow. I hope the civil judgement's and associated expenses total 1B.
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Sigh. Please tell me how you figure this. The school takes all revenue and pays for athletics. The academic side doesn't make a dime. Donations are considered PART of athletic revenue. As for $1 billion, they don't have $1 billion. The entire university would have to shut down.

So, shut down the football program, don't shut down the university. Why do that? Shut down the Catholic Church too while you're at it. Civil judgements will roughly be in line with those anyway, and the recent money paid by the Church to victims is about $2-3 million.
 
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