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HuskyHawk said:
Looked back a little bit. Three did it from one class (I think). Lawrence Maroney, Adai and Bush, all from 2006. Dangelo Williams also got to the Superbowl at least.
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So basically the answer is not many at all. Maroney was a big time bust. It just doesn't seem to make sense to take a RB in round 1. Not only is it a position with short careers, but also its very dependent on OL/blocking. I just cant justify it.

I hope hes awesome and breaks the trend and wins us a ton of SB's but im not optimistic.
 
superjohn said:
I'm actually shocked he was even considered a #1 pick.
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It's because he tests far better than any of the other QB prospects when it comes to skills prioritized in NFL quarterbacks. The analytic guys - who hate Allen across the board by the way - like Mayfield a lot. It's cool that Josh Allen can throw the ball 80 yards. That will be exceptionally useful in a league where QBs rarely throw deep balls.
 
KembaStepback said:
So basically the answer is not many at all. Maroney was a big time bust. It just doesn't seem to make sense to take a RB in round 1. Not only is it a position with short careers, but also its very dependent on OL/blocking. I just cant justify it.

I hope hes awesome and breaks the trend and wins us a ton of SB's but im not optimistic.
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Maybe, but I think that the "how many won a superbowl" is a pretty useless measure. Do it with QBs. You get some. Both Mannings, Rodgers, but more that were not 1st rounders. I'd ask how many helped their team win, and a lot did.

I think Barkley was not a great pick, because I think any top ten pick is probably a bad pick financially, and based on what you'd get trading back. Those teams tend to have lots of holes. I think the first round salary scale is such that it's almost a disadvantage to pick at the top. This is not the NBA, where the draft can be top heavy and you only play 10 guys.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
It's because he tests far better than any of the other QB prospects when it comes to skills prioritized in NFL quarterbacks. The analytic guys - who hate Allen across the board by the way - like Mayfield a lot. It's cool that Josh Allen can throw the ball 80 yards. That will be exceptionally useful in a league where QBs rarely throw deep balls.
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Did you read Dan O's write up on these guys? Very solid.

In the end, I think the Browns took Mayfield because Darnold has less personality, and Mayfield is a leader. It's Cleveland. They have sucked forever. They need a guy who can will his teammates to win. He's the guy most likely to bring those intangibles. He's very accurate and doesn't turn the ball over. He will have a problem with height, and he isn't as mobile as Wilson that they can roll him out.
 
intlzncster said:
If it was that easy to pick HOF out of the draft, people would do it all the time. You just don't know.

Even with record breaking numbers, it would be hard to outperform the contract at his position.

Think about paying an elite QB $45m per year. That's what's happening.

I'm not a Giants fan, but I am certainly going to enjoy watching him.
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Every single person I have talk to as well as every analyst I’ve seen, 50+ people and they all said Barkley is the best talent in the draft, that should tell you something.

The famous scout Gil Brandt stated he’s the greatest running back he’s scouted since Adrian Peterson.
 
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EBonz30 said:
Every single person I have talk to as well as every analyst I’ve seen, 50+ people and they all said Barkley is the best talent in the draft, that should tell you something.

The famous scout Gil Brandt stated he’s the greatest running back he’s scouted since Adrian Peterson.
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He will have to be. If he's literally anything less than All Pro in his rookie season, you've lost value.

Because RBs can have relative quick impact on the league (productive as a rookie, etc.) and are more interchangeable than most positions, you can really take advantage of cheap late round rookie deals and cut them loose after. But because the contract market for RBs has been depressed by this fact, a top draft pick just costs too much compared to what is available on the open market.

Barkley will have the most guaranteed money for a RB in the entire league and a top 4 cap hit per year. Think about that. Even if he plays like even an above average or good NFL starter as a rookie, you're out substantial value. Potential Hall of Famers like LeSean McCoy got 18 million guaranteed and you're going to give Barkley 30 million. Carlos Hyde, a good NFL starter, got a 3 year deal with 8 million in total guarantees and a 5 mil cap hit per year.

Why not just sign proven contributors Telvin Coleman or Jay Ajayi next offseason for literally half what you signed Barkley to?
 
HuskyHawk said:
I find it remarkable how NFL GMs keep failing to evaluate college QBs well. The vastly undervalue the mental aspect, which is what separates the great QBs. You can find a dozen guys every year who have better "measurables" than Drew Brees. They aren't better QBs. I think they need to hire Dan O.
Breaking Down the 2018 QB Draft Class | By Dan Orlovsky

I love what he says about Josh Allen "There’s just a massive, massive difference in the NFL between being a thrower and playing quarterback. You have to understand the game. You have to understand defenses. You have to understand the problem the defense is presenting you with and identify the opportunities."
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Like most fans, I will be stunned if Josh Allen is a good QB. Hell, I'll be surprised if he's still in the league in five years. This article is great...

There’s almost no reason to believe Josh Allen will work. Almost.

For all the hype about Allen's arm strength he had the lowest completion percentage on yards of 15+ throws compared to the other four 1st round QBs, was the least-aggressive at throwing past the sticks in 3rd down situations, completed only one pass all year of 40+ yards (of 9 attempts), and on average had the most time in the pocket of the five first round QBs and Mason Rudolph. Sure, some of that is coaching/playcalling but I need to see more from a guy when he's facing a lower level of competition.


I spent part of my day watching Darnold highlights (I'd previously stuck to lowlights) in attempt to get myself excited as a Jets fan. I feel slightly better, mainly because outside of a brutal 4-game stretch this year he's been great. He's not Mark Sanchez at least. I like the comparisons of Philip Rivers, which on one hand is good because that means he'll be our best QB since Joe Willie but at the same time I think Rivers is horribly overrated and he's never won a thing. Time will tell...
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
It's because he tests far better than any of the other QB prospects when it comes to skills prioritized in NFL quarterbacks. The analytic guys - who hate Allen across the board by the way - like Mayfield a lot. It's cool that Josh Allen can throw the ball 80 yards. That will be exceptionally useful in a league where QBs rarely throw deep balls.
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Allen concerns me for that reason. The thing I worry about with Mayfield is that he just spent the last couple years playing behind the best offensive line in college football. Plus, he's over two years older than Darnold. I know age isn't as big of a factor with quarterbacks, but that's still a significant amount of time developmentally. If I had told someone a year ago at this time that Mayfield would be drafted ahead of Darnold, I'd have been laughed at. I'm always leery of players who make this big of a leap in such a short time span, especially when they play with that sort of talent. Statistically he's similar to what Sam Bradford did as a sophomore.
 
Serious question because I don't pay attention much anymore: Do we have anyone that's going to be drafted?
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I'm seeing people saying things along the likes of who would you have taken and projecting his performance.

I think this isn't about that at all.
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Myself, huskyhawk, whaler, auror, kembastepback, connhuskbasketball etc etc have been arguing the 'value' argument. Which is all about money by position.
 
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auror said:
Every year a RB comes out who is the next Adrian Peterson. Last year it was Fournette. Year before was Elliot. Then it was Gurley.

Here are the running backs with the most yards in the Super Bowl on all the Super Bowl winning teams and their cap hit from that season this millenium:
LeGarrette Blount - 1.25 mil
LeGarrette Blount - 1 mil
CJ Anderson - 0.6 mil
LeGarrette Blount - 0.25 mil
Percy Harvin - 4.9 mil / Marshawn Lynch 8.5 mil
Ray Rice - 5 mil
Ahmad Bradshaw - 2.25 mil
James Starks - 0.34 mil
Pierre Thomas - 0.46 mil
Willie Parker - 4.1 mil
Ahmad Bradshaw - 0.32 mil
Dominic Rhodes - 2 mil
Willie Parker - 0.3 mil
Corey Dillon - 1.75 mil
Antowain Smith - 2 mil
Michael Pittman - 2.2 mil
Antowain Smith - 0.5 mil
Jamal Lewis - 1.8 mil

Saquon Barkley on rookie deal
2018: $5M
2019: $7M
2020: $8M
2021: $10M
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Nicely done. RB is a place to find value. Take the money and protect your qb and open holes.

I understand a lot more risk in qb but upside is so much higher. It’s one of the few positions worth paying.

Eli is not worth the money anymore. Was time to cut bait but I guess upsetting the fan base was to scary for GM after last years backlash. Problem was sitting Eli for Geno. Can’t imagine if Webb was who we want him to be Macadoo wouldn’t have played him to save his job.

My feeling is a lot like Ollie the giants are holding on a year to long with Eli. So giants will go 7-9 and have to give away a bunch of picks to get a qb next year.
 
Eli will be fine for 2-3 yearsand now he has a running back AND receivers, neither of which he had last year. I think the Giants decided that Webb was probably not much different than the draft quarterbacks. They’ve had a problem with 3rd and short for years and hopefully this will help.
 
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champs99and04 said:
I'm an Eagles fan who kept waiting for the Benny Hill music to start playing while our division rivals were picking last night. The Giants took a RB, the Redskins took a DT, and the Cowboys took an ILB. The NFC East of the next ten years is about to become the AFC East of the last ten. Thank you for your six free wins and please drive through.

If I were a Giants fan, I wouldn't be upset that we passed on a quarterback, I'd be upset that we passed on Bradley Chubb. You had your chance to slide him in for JPP and wreck quarterbacks for the next decade. That's always been your blueprint, from Taylor to Strahan to Tuck and Umenyiora. Even if Barkley turns out to be Le'Veon Bell, you'll take the stud edge rusher every time. The gap between Barkley and say, a prime DeMarco Murray is so much less than it is between Von Miller and your average edge rusher. I'm not saying a great back isn't still extremely valuable, but they tend to be the final piece rather than the bellwether. It's your ultimate turnstyle position. Many of the great ones are discovered by accident.
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Eagles do something for the first time in 4 decades and this is what we get.

OK.
 
intlzncster said:
Myself, huskyhawk, whaler, auror, kembastepback, connhuskbasketball etc etc have been arguing the 'value' argument. Which is all about money by position.
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And we're all just debating ourselves?
 
ConnHuskBask said:
And we're all just debating ourselves?
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Course not. But the OP started off with "What everyone is missing is that Barkley now has the...".

I was just merely saying that, no, not everyone was missing that.
 
nomar said:
Eagles do something for the first time in 4 decades and this is what we get.

OK.
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No you don't understand, I actually feel bad about how good we are. I don't deserve this. Our division rivals deserve it a little bit because of all the Lombardi jokes, but I can relate to fanbases who are pumped about drafting a guard in the second round because that's all been us at one point. The Giants are the new year, new me everyman that can feel good about striving to be the best version of themselves. They're better today than they were yesterday and we're all happy for them.
 
Surprised everyone is neglecting the fact that it will be very hard for Barkley to perform to the level of his contract. I mean, this is what, page 11 now? It's all about value IMO.
 
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JMick said:
Meh I think the pick will be fine especially if we get Hernandez at 2.2 to step in at guard. The line could actually be pretty good and we can address defense with the rest of the draft.
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Looking at when you posted this. Great foresight.
 
whaler11 said:
If they had a QB I wouldn’t have any problem.

What’s a realistic length of time he can be dominant? 5-6 years? He’s good enough to help them get to where they are stuck in the middle of the draft but it’s impossible to get over the hump without a QB.

They are going to waste half of his peak on cooked Eli.
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Eli’s cooked and you know this how? No line and no receivers last year yeah that’s fair to say.
 
champs99and04 said:
No you don't understand, I actually feel bad about how good we are. I don't deserve this. Our division rivals deserve it a little bit because of all the Lombardi jokes, but I can relate to fanbases who are pumped about drafting a guard in the second round because that's all been us at one point. The Giants are the new year, new me everyman that can feel good about striving to be the best version of themselves. They're better today than they were yesterday and we're all happy for them.
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Dear lord, I thought Eagles fans were insufferable before winning a Super Bowl...all that hose manure and climbing greased telephone poles leveled them up.
 
My beloved Steelers finally got it together after a curious R1. Washington and Rudolph were steals...didn’t like the OT with our 2nd 3rd round pick, but we’ll see.
 
mauconnfan said:
Eli’s cooked and you know this how? No line and no receivers last year yeah that’s fair to say.
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You are welcome to share the opinion that doubling down on a 37.5 year old immobile statue is a good idea.

You’d have to be pretty generous to squeeze him into a list of the top 15 qbs.

Brady and Brees have had success at the age, but they both had much higher peaks than Eli.

It might work but it certainly seems more likely to me it just digs them a deeper hole even if 7-9 looks better to start from than 3-13.

Eli turns 40 during Barkley’s third season. That’s a lot of faith in a guy who hasn’t been good for multiple seasons.
 
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