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tzznandrew said:
They can shop him until July 6th. Then they have to wait.
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It's a sign and trade acquisition, he doesn't even become theirs until after July 6th. They'd have to wait until December to trade him again regardless.
 
djct1999 said:
The Nuggets will go on a multi year run of playoff basketball, a top 4 seed, and relevance. I doubt they ever win a title with this roster. I still think in this NBA you need a mega star or two to win it all. The Raptors still had Kawhi but if the Dubs were healthy, they would have been blown out.
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Denver will win a title if MPJ pans out. That is a big "if" but they have one of the best players in the NBA and another guy in Murray who should be top 25 by 2021. They just need a 3rd star.

Gary Harris is what Draymond Green would call a "16" game player.
 
ihatepants said:
It's a sign and trade acquisition, he doesn't even become theirs until after July 6th. They'd have to wait until December to trade him again regardless.
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The point is they can modify the transaction by the 6th so the original deal changes form into a 3 way trade or whatever.
 
uconnbaseball said:
Denver will win a title if MPJ pans out. That is a big "if" but they have one of the best players in the NBA and another guy in Murray who should be top 25 by 2021. They just need a 3rd star.

Gary Harris is what Draymond Green would call a "16" game player.
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Or they both hit enough to become assets to land that 3rd Star
 
superjohn said:
It's hard to believe Nelson and HuskyHawk are arguing against this. I guess there always has to be a couple contrarians no matter what, it's still insane though.
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I don't know that it would be the three best players of all time. I think that's a stretch. But show me a team that made a long run of success with a similar roster.

Showtime Lakers had: Magic, Jabaar, Worthy but also Byron Scott, Cooper, Rambis, AC Green
Bulls had Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, plus Armstrong, Kerr, Harper, Kukoc etc.
Celtics had Bird, McHale, DJ or Tiny, Parish, and filled in with quality guys around them...Ainge, Carr etc.

I've never seen a team win a championship with three great players and a bunch of guys who were below average in the league.
 
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djct1999 said:
Exactly who would you realistically want them to sign for 3-4 years? That dream ended with a ruptured achilles a few weeks back.
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Randle (and he was so no complaint there). I would have preferred 3-4 years for Portis if they're signing him at all. Would have also liked 4 years at more money for Brogdon
 
Kawhi is one of the 3 best players in the league. If he wants to come to your team, you take him
 
HuskyHawk said:
I don't know that it would be the three best players of all time. I think that's a stretch. But show me a team that made a long run of success with a similar roster.

Showtime Lakers had: Magic, Jabaar, Worthy but also Byron Scott, Cooper, Rambis, AC Green
Bulls had Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, plus Armstrong, Kerr, Harper, Kukoc etc.
Celtics had Bird, McHale, DJ or Tiny, Parish, and filled in with quality guys around them...Ainge, Carr etc.

I've never seen a team win a championship with three great players and a bunch of guys who were below average in the league.
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You really shouldn't be doubling down on this.
 
superjohn said:
Blazers get Whiteside for Harkless and Leonard.
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I like that gamble for Portland. Whitesides upside and only a one year contract make this well worth it.
 
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Lakers would have 2 best players in the league PLUS Anthony Davis. It's LeBron's Heat on steroids
 
Lefty2one said:
Kawhi is unquestionably one of the two best players in the league for 2019-20.
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So he's "unquestionably" better than Giannis? What? Or is LeBron no longer one of the best?
 
HuskyHawk said:
I don't know that it would be the three best players of all time. I think that's a stretch. But show me a team that made a long run of success with a similar roster.

Showtime Lakers had: Magic, Jabaar, Worthy but also Byron Scott, Cooper, Rambis, AC Green
Bulls had Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, plus Armstrong, Kerr, Harper, Kukoc etc.
Celtics had Bird, McHale, DJ or Tiny, Parish, and filled in with quality guys around them...Ainge, Carr etc.

I've never seen a team win a championship with three great players and a bunch of guys who were below average in the league.
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What some of these "Lakers will dominate" posters fail to realize is that the players around them wouldn't be below average. They would be terrible, not really even NBA caliber talent. Who are these "ring chasers" that auror and superjohn think are waiting by their phones? Bogut was one of those "ring chasers". He was $2.4 million, played in 11 regular season and 19 playoff games this season, and was not much more than a warm body. Levingston made $8MM this year, and Iquodola mate $18MM. Players don't work for free.

Once Klay got hurt, the Warriors had no chance. They wouldn't have made it out of the first round of the playoffs without Durant and Thompson, not because they didn't have enough stars, but the players like Cook, Jones and Jerebko were glorified G League players. Portland lost its starting center and third best player near the end of the season, but it had Enes Kanter at Center and made it to the conference finals. Depth matters.

Finally, Toronto doesn't get out of the second round of the playoffs without Marc Gasol, who was a late season pickup, and Vanvleet, a reserve, playing great down the stretch and in the playoffs. Toronto went 8 deep and all 8 of those players were critical to winning the Title.
 
HuskyHawk said:
So he's "unquestionably" better than Giannis? What? Or is LeBron no longer one of the best?
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They are all the best player in the NBA. Along with Kyrie. And Durant. And whoever the other flavor of the month is.
 
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I don't want Kawhi to sign with LA (and wasn't the whole reason he left SA to be a more noticeable star? Why join the milky way if that's the goal?!), but that would be a pretty fascinating experiment. How much better can 3 of the top 5 or 6 NBA players be versus balanced teams? It definitely would not be as much of a favorite or super team as the healthy Warriors have been for the last 3 seasons. The Warriors had 2 of top 6 and 4/5 starters in the top-20, plus a better bench than most.

Would the Lakers strategy be to build 30pt leads with their super-four and then let the reserves try to only lose by half that? Or could they be 10+pts better than everyone with a super-three and then one of their stars holds down the fort with the scrubs? Again I'm not rooting for it, but it would be different, interesting and definitely FAR from a defacto championship.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
What some of these "Lakers will dominate" posters fail to realize is that the players around them wouldn't be below average. They would be terrible, not really even NBA caliber talent. Who are these "ring chasers" that auror and superjohn think are waiting by their phones? Bogut was one of those "ring chasers". He was $2.4 million, played in 11 regular season and 19 playoff games this season, and was not much more than a warm body. Levingston made $8MM this year, and Iquodola mate $18MM. Players don't work for free.

Once Klay got hurt, the Warriors had no chance. They wouldn't have made it out of the first round of the playoffs without Durant and Thompson, not because they didn't have enough stars, but the players like Cook, Jones and Jerebko were glorified G League players. Portland lost its starting center and third best player near the end of the season, but it had Enes Kanter at Center and made it to the conference finals. Depth matters.

Finally, Toronto doesn't get out of the second round of the playoffs without Marc Gasol, who was a late season pickup, and Vanvleet, a reserve, playing great down the stretch and in the playoffs. Toronto went 8 deep and all 8 of those players were critical to winning the Title.
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The Heat won the 2013 finals with Mario Chalmers and Udonis Haslem as two of their starters . And Davis is better than Bosh was then and Leonard is a lot better now than Wade was that year.

Maybe the Lakers will run into depth issues at times in the regular season but in the playoffs when the rotations get shorter and there are no back to backs, they'll be fine. Add in Kuzma to their Big 3 and they'll have enough.
 
Dogdeacon said:
I don't want Kawhi to sign with LA (and wasn't the whole reason he left SA to be a more noticeable star? Why join the milky way if that's the goal?!), but that would be a pretty fascinating experiment. How much better can 3 of the top 5 or 6 NBA players be versus balanced teams? It definitely would not be as much of a favorite or super team as the healthy Warriors have been for the last 3 seasons. The Warriors had 2 of top 6 and 4/5 starters in the top-20, plus a better bench than most.

Would the Lakers strategy be to build 30pt leads with their super-four and then let the reserves try to only lose by half that? Or could they be 10+pts better than everyone with a super-three and then one of their stars holds down the fort with the scrubs? Again I'm not rooting for it, but it would be different, interesting and definitely FAR from a defacto championship.
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We've already seen it, despite what HuskyHawk and Nelson say. Outside of the big three the next best player on the Heat was Haslem or Chalmers.
 
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Latest signings

Elfred Payton-Knicks 2 years 12 mill

Enes Kanter-Celtics 2 years 10 mill
 
superjohn said:
We've already seen it, despite what HuskyHawk and Nelson say. Outside of the big three the next best player on the Heat was Haslem or Chalmers.
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I guess that's kinda right, seems different since they didn't start by totally gutting the team. I would quibble to say that in 2012 they had Battier and Mike Miller, the next year they added a guy named Ray Allen. Those are their two titles - key moments for those three in each.
 
Dogdeacon said:
I don't want Kawhi to sign with LA (and wasn't the whole reason he left SA to be a more noticeable star? Why join the milky way if that's the goal?!), but that would be a pretty fascinating experiment. How much better can 3 of the top 5 or 6 NBA players be versus balanced teams? It definitely would not be as much of a favorite or super team as the healthy Warriors have been for the last 3 seasons. The Warriors had 2 of top 6 and 4/5 starters in the top-20, plus a better bench than most.

Would the Lakers strategy be to build 30pt leads with their super-four and then let the reserves try to only lose by half that? Or could they be 10+pts better than everyone with a super-three and then one of their stars holds down the fort with the scrubs? Again I'm not rooting for it, but it would be different, interesting and definitely FAR from a defacto championship.
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That's really all I'm saying. LeBron, AD and Kawhi plus the dregs of the league is not a slam dunk winner. It will have some great nights, and some bad ones. Any injury, or the aging LeBron taking a break, and this team becomes very thin. It will be very interesting for sure, as an experiment. The Warriors with a healthy KD, Curry and Klay, plus the guys they had like Green, were a much stronger team than this looks to be.

And while he is one of the best players ever, I am not convinced that LeBron is what he was. He may have a year or two before a big decline. I think that's the one way that Kawhi does make sense over quality depth, it leaves the Lakers a team that can win without Lebron later on.

It's going to be an interesting couple of seasons. The talent around the league has been spread out. I can see one of 8-10 teams that might win the championship next year. I think it's healthy for the league.
 
Dogdeacon said:
I guess that's kinda right, seems different since they didn't start by totally gutting the team. I would quibble to say that in 2012 they had Battier and Mike Miller, the next year they added a guy named Ray Allen. Those are their two titles - key moments for those three in each.
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They added those guys in the exceptions over consecutive off seasons. The lakers will have such exceptions as well.
 
Scoe said:
Latest signings

Elfred Payton-Knicks 2 years 12 mill

Enes Kanter-Celtics 2 years 10 mill
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Oh no! Kanter's always been a guy I love to hate, ever since his non-Kentucky days.
 
Dogdeacon said:
Oh no! Kanter's always been a guy I love to hate, ever since his non-Kentucky days.
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Not the guy I wanted, as I think they need defense first at the position, given that they need to contend with Embiid and others. But maybe Ainge thinks Williams can be the defensive center, and Kanter the offensive guy.
 
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