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djct1999 said:
The Randle and Gibson contracts, 2 years with team option are both easily tradeable. These signings will not impede the Knicks from doing anything going forward. That said, I am surprised they didnt rent their cap space by taking salary dumps to accumulate more first round picks.
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Real basketball doesn't work like rotisserie basketball. A split second is the difference between an open shot and a contested shot so Players need to get on the same page to be successful. Look at all 4 conference finalists. The cores of those teams had been together for years. The 76ers, which may have had the most talented team in the east on paper, got bounced in the second round. The Nuggets may be on the verge of a multi year run to the conference and even NBA finals, but this year they were not ready yet.

A team needs to balance between having a solid team core and mixing and matching pieces around it. I don't want to focus on the Knicks as an example because that team could Spartacus up a cup of coffee, but I think the Bucks and Raptors' approach is more likely to be successful than the Lakers' or 76ers'. In extreme cases, the mixing and matching eventually overloads the cap number and you end up like the Thunder, Heat or Hornets. Kind of good, but in salary cap prison.
 
bballgrda said:
This is bananas. You think the Lakers would be better off not signing Kawhi?
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How many superstars did the NBA champs have? How about the Bucks? The Nuggets will be projected to win 55 to 60 games this year, and they only have 1 top 10-15 player. The right TEAM will beat 2 or 3 superstar players and a bunch of hacks. See the Raptors vs. 76ers if you want to see how that works.
 
Dallas backed out of the Jimmy Butler deal.

Did philly renounce him already?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Real basketball doesn't work like rotisserie basketball. A split second is the difference between an open shot and a contested shot so Players need to get on the same page to be successful. Look at all 4 conference finalists. The cores of those teams had been together for years. The 76ers, which may have had the most talented team in the east on paper, got bounced in the second round. The Nuggets may be on the verge of a multi year run to the conference and even NBA finals, but this year they were not ready yet.

A team needs to balance between having a solid team core and mixing and matching pieces around it. I don't want to focus on the Knicks as an example because that team could Spartacus up a cup of coffee, but I think the Bucks and Raptors' approach is more likely to be successful than the Lakers' or 76ers'. In extreme cases, the mixing and matching eventually overloads the cap number and you end up like the Thunder, Heat or Hornets. Kind of good, but in salary cap prison.
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In general yes, I agree 100%. The Lakers will strategy will implode. I never agreed with the 76ers approach and unless they win multiple championships, I don't see how it was worth it. But we were talking about the Knicks. Lets assume for a second they really were reluctant to give KD a max deal(I laugh), then they are doing the right thing. They are spending short term money while preserving long term flexibility. Sadly, the players they sign are less important than the terms(duration) they sign them for.

The Nuggets will go on a multi year run of playoff basketball, a top 4 seed, and relevance. I doubt they ever win a title with this roster. I still think in this NBA you need a mega star or two to win it all. The Raptors still had Kawhi but if the Dubs were healthy, they would have been blown out.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
How many superstars did the NBA champs have? How about the Bucks? The Nuggets will be projected to win 55 to 60 games this year, and they only have 1 top 10-15 player. The right TEAM will beat 2 or 3 superstar players and a bunch of hacks. See the Raptors vs. 76ers if you want to see how that works.
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You want to use Raptors v Sixers as an example as why a team is better off not signing Kawhi...
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
I don't think that too many short term deals are a good idea. NBA players will trade about 20-30% of their annual salary for an additional 2 years. I am not a Portis fan, but if the Knicks could have gotten him for 4 years at $10 or $12 a year, they should have done it. The short term deals just dump the Knicks right back in free agency hunting for players and likely overpaying. It also makes it difficult to build a core of a team, because the pieces will constantly be changing.
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Agreed. I would have preferred they signed guys to 3-4 years, all they did now is push off building a team for 2 years
 
bazz&boujee said:
horford is not better than tobias and tobias is not better than simmons. neither of those things are close.
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Simmons is an enigma, he has most of the tools to be a great player but a massive deficiency in the way.
re: Horford vs Harris
A. Look at their career stats, Al is superior.
B. Look at more than just scoring right now, Al generates offense for others, VORP etc
C. Defense, a big that can guard multiple people, guard outside is incredibly important to defend 3's
D. Likewise a big that can stretch defenses is vital and more valuable in today's NBA than a SF

Quick ranking search and this is first one I found, Tobias #40, Al #34 - if its as definitive as you say, find at least TWO that have Tobias higher or we can average them.
Ranking NBA's Top 100 Players of 2018-19 Season so Far
 
nelsonmuntz said:
How many superstars did the NBA champs have? How about the Bucks? The Nuggets will be projected to win 55 to 60 games this year, and they only have 1 top 10-15 player. The right TEAM will beat 2 or 3 superstar players and a bunch of hacks. See the Raptors vs. 76ers if you want to see how that works.
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Come on, everyone and their mother knows the Warriors would have won it all again if their superstars were healthy. It's always been a superstars league. Lebron, AD, and Kawhi would be like nothing we've seen and they would be heavy favorites.
 
navery12 said:
Agreed. I would have preferred they signed guys to 3-4 years, all they did now is push off building a team for 2 years
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Exactly who would you realistically want them to sign for 3-4 years? That dream ended with a ruptured achilles a few weeks back.
 
superjohn said:
Come on, everyone and their mother knows the Warriors would have won it all again if their superstars were healthy. It's always been a superstars league. Lebron, AD, and Kawhi would be like nothing we've seen and they would be heavy favorites.
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They might have won it if just Klay Thompson didn't tear his ACL and miss another game entirely.
 
Anyone know when new jerseys will be available? Want to get a Kemba C's and Bazz Warriors. And before anyone asks, I don't have an NBA team - I only care about the UConn guys
 
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superjohn said:
Come on, everyone and their mother knows the Warriors would have won it all again if their superstars were healthy. It's always been a superstars league. Lebron, AD, and Kawhi would be like nothing we've seen and they would be heavy favorites.
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Why is everyone acting as if Kawhi isn't a super star. Nelson's original statement isn't even valid. IDK why I engage.
 
I just know that now I'll have to learn to root for new teams. Kemba with the celts? I haven't rooted for the celts since Russell retired. JLamb with the Pacers? I can't remember ever following the Pacers. Bazz a Warrior? Where's his playing time goming from there?
 
A lot of Kawhi to the Lakers talk. If that happens the NBA is a rap. Seriously, how many super teams does Lebron need?
 
Dogdeacon said:
Simmons is an enigma, he has most of the tools to be a great player but a massive deficiency in the way.
re: Horford vs Harris
A. Look at their career stats, Al is superior.
B. Look at more than just scoring right now, Al generates offense for others, VORP etc
C. Defense, a big that can guard multiple people, guard outside is incredibly important to defend 3's
D. Likewise a big that can stretch defenses is vital and more valuable in today's NBA than a SF

Quick ranking search and this is first one I found, Tobias #40, Al #34 - if its as definitive as you say, find at least TWO that have Tobias higher or we can average them.
Ranking NBA's Top 100 Players of 2018-19 Season so Far
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horford sucks. i looked it up.
 
superjohn said:
Come on, everyone and their mother knows the Warriors would have won it all again if their superstars were healthy. It's always been a superstars league. Lebron, AD, and Kawhi would be like nothing we've seen and they would be heavy favorites.
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They may be heavy favorites with gamblers, but that team is going to struggle at times given how bad their bench is going to be. How many minimum contract players can a team have in its Top 8 and still expect to win? Who will guard Jokic or Aldridge? What happens if one of the Big 3 even sprains an ankle.

The Lakers could have gotten 4 quality players for what they are going to pay Kawhi. They don't need more stars, they need a team around the stars they have. Unfortunately, the ship has already kind of sailed on Plan B, so maybe it is Kawhi or bust at this point.
 
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superjohn said:
He'll be starting.
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He will, but I tend to agree that this is poor roster construction. When your three best players are all guards, that's not ideal. If they were offering a max contract, why not Kawhi? He's much better than Russell. Who is playing in their front court?
 
RayIsTheGOAT said:
I’m just saying the Warriors is possibly the most surprising destination for D Lo, IMO.
Also when Klay comes back in March/April, will DLo still be starting? Doubtful.
I also think DLo is possibly overrated. He had the third highest usage rate behind Harden and PG13. Not sure he slides right in and is worth max money on a team where he’s the 3rd/4th option or possibly a 6 man?
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DLo is a bad fit on the Warriors. The thing about DLo is that he should be awesome as an off-ball catch and shoot guy, but he low-key sucks at it. He really wants to have the ball in his hands, work off a lot of ball screens and try to get to his mid range pull up or a floater, all of which run counter to what Kerr prefers to do. I mean, he's one of the better pick n roll point guards and is bad at everything else, and the Warriors run close to the least amount of pick n rolls.

I think it's a way worse fit for the Warriors offense than it looks like on paper unless he really changes how he plays.
 
God help us if the Lakers get Kawhi. AD, LeBron, and Kawhi will cruise through season and if healthy I don't see who would beat them in the playoffs. I don't know who they will get but I imagine their bench will be just fine, plenty of ring chasers will join.
 
ihatepants said:
DLo is a bad fit on the Warriors. The thing about DLo is that he should be awesome as an off-ball catch and shoot guy, but he low-key sucks at it. He really wants to have the ball in his hands, work off a lot of ball screens and try to get to his mid range pull up or a floater, all of which run counter to what Kerr prefers to do. I mean, he's one of the better pick n roll point guards and is bad at everything else, and the Warriors run close to the least amount of pick n rolls.

I think it's a way worse fit for the Warriors offense than it looks like on paper unless he really changes how he plays.
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The Warriors have already put D Lo on the trading block.
 
HuskyHawk said:
He will, but I tend to agree that this is poor roster construction. When your three best players are all guards, that's not ideal. If they were offering a max contract, why not Kawhi? He's much better than Russell. Who is playing in their front court?
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ihatepants said:
DLo is a bad fit on the Warriors. The thing about DLo is that he should be awesome as an off-ball catch and shoot guy, but he low-key sucks at it. He really wants to have the ball in his hands, work off a lot of ball screens and try to get to his mid range pull up or a floater, all of which run counter to what Kerr prefers to do. I mean, he's one of the better pick n roll point guards and is bad at everything else, and the Warriors run close to the least amount of pick n rolls.

I think it's a way worse fit for the Warriors offense than it looks like on paper unless he really changes how he plays.
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Word is Warriors will trade him.
 
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bballgrda said:
Why is everyone acting as if Kawhi isn't a super star. Nelson's original statement isn't even valid. IDK why I engage.
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He's a super-star. The value of Kawhi to a team of good but not great players in Toronto is immense. The value of Kawhi to a team that already has LeBron and Brow, plus a bunch of scrubs, is much lower. Probably lower than merely bringing in three good but not great players to go with LeBron and AD.

I think a lot of GMs suck at roster construction. You want a team that is better than the sum of its parts. That means if you've got a power forward that plays like a point guard and needs the ball in his hands, you want to surround him with the right guys. Reddick would have been perfect for the Lakers. Deadly when LeBron or Davis is doubled and passes out, but doesn't create much and doesn't need the ball in his hands.

DLo to GS is another head scratcher. There's no fit there. Curry needs the ball in his hands and so does Russell. Edit: just saw post above
 
nelsonmuntz said:
They may be heavy favorites with gamblers, but that team is going to struggle at times given how bad their bench is going to be. How many minimum contract players can a team have in its Top 8 and still expect to win? Who will guard Jokic or Aldridge? What happens if one of the Big 3 even sprains an ankle.

The Lakers could have gotten 4 quality players for what they are going to pay Kawhi. They don't need more stars, they need a team around the stars they have. Unfortunately, the ship has already kind of sailed on Plan B, so maybe it is Kawhi or bust at this point.
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If it happens, their team will have the 3 best players to ever play together. You start there, and you get the ring chasers at a discount and go from there.
 
auror said:
If it happens, their team will have the 3 best players to ever play together. You start there, and you get the ring chasers at a discount and go from there.
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It's hard to believe Nelson and HuskyHawk are arguing against this. I guess there always has to be a couple contrarians no matter what, it's still insane though.
 
Woodson said:
I'm very confused by this Russell situation. If they're already planning to trade him then why would he do the sign and trade? What am I missing?

Edit: only option for him to get max deal?
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He'd probably have to okay the landing spot until the 6th, which limits GSW options. But yeah, locking in the max is also a good thing for him.
 
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