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Sources: Irving asking Cavaliers to trade him

Well this is certainly interesting. Not sure I'd want Kyrie to be my No. 1 on my team full time. Impact of possibly durability issues and not having James as a huge defensive focal point could be huge.

What does it say that a stud PG doesn't want to play with LeBron? Cleveland franchise is in a weird place right now.
 
intlzncster said:
Sources: Irving asking Cavaliers to trade him

Well this is certainly interesting. Not sure I'd want Kyrie to be my No. 1 on my team full time. Impact of possibly durability issues and not having James as a huge defensive focal point could be huge.

What does it say that a stud PG doesn't want to play with LeBron? Cleveland franchise is in a weird place right now.
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Jesus. Just hand the warriors the finals now why don't you.

On the other hand, Celtics have a real shot at the finals!!
 
intlzncster said:
Sources: Irving asking Cavaliers to trade him

Well this is certainly interesting. Not sure I'd want Kyrie to be my No. 1 on my team full time. Impact of possibly durability issues and not having James as a huge defensive focal point could be huge.

What does it say that a stud PG doesn't want to play with LeBron? Cleveland franchise is in a weird place right now.
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If they trade Irving, they might as well just trade lebron because they'll have no shot at the title and he'll leave town after the season. Imagine the draft picks/young talent you could get trading both of them??
 
walker11 said:
Just guessing but I think it has less to do with him not wanting to play with LeBron and more to do with him not wanting to be stuck in Cleveland post LeBron.
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Good call man. No doubt.
When LeBron leaves and the team falls apart and doesn't make the playoffs, he won't look good.
I hope he and everybody else, including Love, stays at least one year after LBJ leaves. Only so that LeBron's outrageous value to his team becomes that much more obvious when they go from NBA champs/Finalists to a non playoff team.
 
IT, Jae Crowder and Memphis' 2019 #1 for Kyrie

uconnphil2016 said:
If they trade Irving, they might as well just trade lebron because they'll have no shot at the title and he'll leave town after the season. Imagine the draft picks/young talent you could get trading both of them??
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Aldridge, Green, Murray + 1st round pick. Get it done Pop.
 
walker11 said:
Just guessing but I think it has less to do with him not wanting to play with LeBron and more to do with him not wanting to be stuck in Cleveland post LeBron.
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Could be, but that's a funny rumor to throw out there. Although, I wouldn't put it past Dan Gilbert to float something like that on purpose.
 
Come on Dealin Danny, go get LeBron. Time to dangle those picks. Only if he takes some sort of extension though.
 
intlzncster said:
Come on Dealin Danny, go get LeBron. Time to dangle those picks. Only if he takes some sort of extension though.
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LeBron to LA seems like a done deal, I don't think he'd consider Boston but you never know. Dealing for Kyrie more probable, not sure what I'd offer as health concerns are serious and not sure he fits into a championship team without LeBron's leadership and passing mentality.
 
I don't get why Cleveland would trade Kyrie. If it's cuz he doesn't want to play with LeBron, I don't think that will matter past this year. Is there a better option than keeping him, and being resigned to making 4 straight finals?
 
intlzncster said:
Could be, but that's a funny rumor to throw out there. Although, I wouldn't put it past Dan Gilbert to float something like that on purpose.
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Now that I have caught up on on my NBA twitter feed, it seems totally accurate. The agent isn't even denying it. There are reports that he wants to be traded to NY, SAS, MIA or MIN. I think some of it is because he doesn't want to get stranded in CLE, but he would be a FA in 2 years anyways. I would have thought he wanted to leave Bron's shadow and be the man (NY makes sense) but he is going to be another cog in a great system with either Pop or Thibs. Strange
 
intlzncster said:
Sources: Irving asking Cavaliers to trade him

Well this is certainly interesting. Not sure I'd want Kyrie to be my No. 1 on my team full time. Impact of possibly durability issues and not having James as a huge defensive focal point could be huge.

What does it say that a stud PG doesn't want to play with LeBron? Cleveland franchise is in a weird place right now.
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LeBron isn't really a plus defensively anymore, nor was he ever the lockdown man defender that he should have been given his athletic talent.



Kyrie is smart for trying to get out (and kind of screw LeBron over for a year) before LBJ can do it to him.
 
champs99and04 said:
I am going to be spending all night on the trade machine.

NBA Trade Machine - ESPN
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The one I have read that I think could make sense for all

Cavs get Melo and Bledsoe
Phoenix gets Kyrie
Knicks get Josh Jackson and JR

Apparently PHO offered the #4 pick and Bledsoe predraft for Kyrie.

I think this makes sense for both the Knicks and Suns and the Cavs will be screwed either way when Lebron leaves. I think I would prefer to unload Kyrie for picks and prospects next year and just tank. If they can't accept that they should tank, Cleveland just has to mix it up. Bledsoe is a huge upgrade defensively and they have spot shooting to surround Lebron. Melo is still a great scorer who would thrive offensively, and while he is not a good wing defender, I think he would matchup better vs the Warriors @ the 4 than Love, who could either play C in a small ball lineup, or play big minutes as the 6th man.

Knicks get a nice young asset (who I don't absolutely love) and considering the offers they have been receiving, this should be a no brainer on their part.

The Suns would now have an explosive and entertaining backcourt with enough high upside bigs to be intersting (and I also think Warren is underrated because he may not fit the current prototype).
 
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NielsisGood said:
LeBron isn't really a plus defensively anymore, nor was he ever the lockdown man defender that he should have been given his athletic talent..
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No I meant other teams keying on LeBron freeing up kyrie to work. He wouldn't have that advantage anymore
 
walker11 said:
The one I have read that I think could make sense for all

Cavs get Melo and Bledsoe
Phoenix gets Kyrie
Knicks get Josh Jackson and JR

Apparently PHO offered the #4 pick and Bledsoe predraft for Kyrie.

I think this makes sense for both the Knicks and Suns and the Cavs will be screwed either way when Lebron leaves. I think I would prefer to unload Kyrie for picks and prospects next year and just tank. If they can't accept that they should tank, Cleveland just has to mix it up. Bledsoe is a huge upgrade defensively and they have spot shooting to surround Lebron. Melo is still a great scorer who would thrive offensively, and while he is not a good wing defender, I think he would matchup better vs the Warriors @ the 4 than Love, who could either play C in a small ball lineup, or play big minutes as the 6th man.

Knicks get a nice young asset (who I don't absolutely love) and considering the offers they have been receiving, this should be a no brainer on their part.

The Suns would now have an explosive and entertaining backcourt with enough high upside bigs to be intersting (and I also think Warren is underrated because he may not fit the current prototype).
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No way the Knicks can get Jackson and only give up Melo. Nor would cavs probably take them for a player of Kyrie's caliber.
 
Huskyforlife said:
No way the Knicks can get Jackson and only give up Melo. Nor would cavs probably take them for a player of Kyrie's caliber.
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Thats not how you should look at 3 team trades. Jackson isn't getting traded for Melo. If you think the Cavs should get more than Melo and Bledsoe, fair enough. Knicks would probably do it for Chriss and maybe Bender anyways depending how they view him.
 
intlzncster said:
No I meant other teams keying on LeBron freeing up kyrie to work. He wouldn't have that advantage anymore
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Oh guess I misunderstood what you meant. He'll probably score more at a worse % if anything, wherever he goes.
 
OK, so now that I've had a few hours to digest news, the big question to me is what incentive the Cavs have to trade a young star player with three years left on a reasonable deal. Just because he asked for one? That's not how this works. Unless I can increase my odds of keeping LeBron/winning the championship next season, he's not going anywhere.

One of my first reactions upon hearing this is that Kyrie and Love for Russ and PG makes a tiny bit of sense. It obviously doesn't make Oklahoma City better, but it extends whatever window they have of being competitive two years.
 
With Allen Crabbe being traded to the Nets I think that's gonna give Shabazz the chance to be 1st guard off the bench. Hope he's working hard!!
 
champs99and04 said:
OK, so now that I've had a few hours to digest news, the big question to me is what incentive the Cavs have to trade a young star player with three years left on a reasonable deal. Just because he asked for one? That's not how this works. Unless I can increase my odds of keeping LeBron/winning the championship next season, he's not going anywhere.

One of my first reactions upon hearing this is that Kyrie and Love for Russ and PG makes a tiny bit of sense. It obviously doesn't make Oklahoma City better, but it extends whatever window they have of being competitive two years.
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Russ and Paul George for Kyrie and Love? Bwahahahaha.
 
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