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seanmc94 said:
Don't give me season long stats...what did your eyeballs tell you. DEFENSE won those games. Eli played well; but he wasn't the driving force in those games. He's far from mediocre; but legend? Not by my standards
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Eli out played Brady in both those games. Yet Brady walks on water and eli is lucky and sucks. Ok gotcha.
 
Huskybass said:
My friend and I view this very differently. He contends that guys like Bucky Dent and Eli Manning are legends. I say the term is reserved for guys like Babe Ruth, Joe Montana and Larry Bird. Essentially, under my definition the guy had to have achieved greatness to be considered as a legend.

Your thoughts?
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Bucky Dent is much more a legend in Boston than NY. And no where else.
 
Jerry1714 said:
Eli out played Brady in both those games. Yet Brady walks on water and eli is lucky and sucks. Ok gotcha.
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Have I mentioned Brady once? NO
Did I type Eli sucks? Actually the exact opposite.

Way to read, bro.
 
Jerry1714 said:
Eli out played Brady in both those games. Yet Brady walks on water and eli is lucky and sucks. Ok gotcha.
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Hey Jer, you kidding me this is wrong.....I agree with you!:eek:
 
seanmc94 said:
Don't give me season long stats...what did your eyeballs tell you. DEFENSE won those games. Eli played well; but he wasn't the driving force in those games. He's far from mediocre; but legend? Not by my standards
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when any other qb wins a SB it's all the qb. when eli wins its luck and defense. every qb and team needs a lot of luck to even get to a sb. pats fans are just butt hurt cause they lost to eli and the gmen twice
 
FfldCntyFan said:
What if Eli ends up winning a third ring? How about if he ends up with four? Will your collective opinions change at that point?
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We're really comparing Eli and Brady?

Okay then.
 
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Huskyforlife said:
in paper i see what you mean. but eli has beat him on the biggest stage twice, you have to admit thats impressive
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It is, and he was truly a great player in 2011 from the start of the season through the Super Bowl.

But he hasn't been able to sustain that great play since, and quite frankly he just hasn't been good over the last two years. Calling him a legend (and comparing him to one like Brady) is simply inaccurate.
 
UConn990411 said:
It is, and he was truly a great player in 2011 from the start of the season through the Super Bowl.

But he hasn't been able to sustain that great play since, and quite frankly he just hasn't been good over the last two years. Calling him a legend (and comparing him to one like Brady) is simply inaccurate.
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it's true what you're saying but you can compare eli and brady
 
seanmc94 said:
Don't give me season long stats...what did your eyeballs tell you. DEFENSE won those games. Eli played well; but he wasn't the driving force in those games. He's far from mediocre; but legend? Not by my standards
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he definetly outplayed Brady in that Superbowl, did you see how effed up he got against the Niners in the NFC title game.
 
UConn990411 said:
It is, and he was truly a great player in 2011 from the start of the season through the Super Bowl.

But he hasn't been able to sustain that great play since, and quite frankly he just hasn't been good over the last two years. Calling him a legend (and comparing him to one like Brady) is simply inaccurate.
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Im a Giants fan and I wouldnt call Eli a legend I would call him a villain.
 
Huskyforlife said:
when any other qb wins a SB it's all the qb. when eli wins its luck and defense. every qb and team needs a lot of luck to even get to a sb. pats fans are just butt hurt cause they lost to eli and the gmen twice
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Trent Dilfer would disagree with you.
 
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seanmc94 said:
Trent Dilfer would disagree with you.
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You were doing ok at first until you brought up Trent Dilfer, did Dilfer have 2 gw drives in a Super Bowl.
 
mauconnfan said:
That's hialrious.......you want a joke for a comparison you just made it sean!
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read the quote I was refuting; boys. The claim was when a QB wins; it's all about him. I give you Trent Dilfer. The fact you guys are laughing at it, proves my point.
 
seanmc94 said:
read the quote I was refuting; boys. The claim was when a QB wins; it's all about him. I give you Trent Dilfer. The fact you guys are laughing at it, proves my point.
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No one is saying it's all about the QB....they are just saying its not all about the defense! Your point was proven only to you but if you're okay with that so am i!
 
mauconnfan said:
No one is saying it's all about the QB....they are just saying its not all about the defense! Your point was proven only to you but if you're okay with that so am i!
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Read the post...guy actually said it was all about the QB. In Dilfer's case it wasn't. My point was proven in spades...
 
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seanmc94 said:
Read the post...guy actually said it was all about the QB. In Dilfer's case it wasn't. My point was proven in spades...
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He said "when any other QB wins it's all about the QB...." but never said he believed it was all about Eli......either way I get your point but his point is well stated too......

The only person we heard about from the Pats fans was Tom Brady by the way.......
 
Eli held up his end of the bargain in those two games. I hate the Giants, but he came up big when he needed to.

Calling him a legend is laughable, but he's accomplished way too much to be called mediocre overall (although he's been pretty mediocre this season, if that sentence makes sense).
 
ok legend was too far i agree. but he is a great qb, and earned those two sb
 
Rico444 said:
Eli held up his end of the bargain in those two games. I hate the Giants, but he came up big when he needed to.

Calling him a legend is laughable, but he's accomplished way too much to be called mediocre overall (although he's been pretty mediocre this season, if that sentence makes sense).
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The only thing this thread proves is the word "legend" is used loosely in this day and age. It really always has because I agree with those that legendary status goes way beyond those who have HOF status in their sports and instead should be dedicated to those who were a heckuva lot better than most. The Babe, Muhammed Ali, Michael Jordan, Bobby Orr, Vince Lombardi are among those types......

For those who somehow confuse mediocrity and luck with Eli though you need to rethink your knowledge of athletes!
 
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I love when non-Giant fans do everything in their power to try and discredit Eli's status.

Two lucky passes? What a joke.

I'm a Giant fan and Eli is a legend here in NYC/NJ and I couldn't give a what a Patriot, Eagle, Cowboy or Jet has to say about it.
 
What do you consider heaving a ball into triple coverage while running for your life? Skill? Catching a ball up against your helmet. Skill?
 
seanmc94 said:
What do you consider heaving a ball into triple coverage while running for your life? Skill? Catching a ball up against your helmet. Skill?
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during the helmet catch the pats defense had eli down but they let him spin out of a sack. that play was all on the pats d screwing up. manningham's catch was a great throw and catch you can't hate on that
 
The window to drop the ball that Manningham caught was the size of a shoebox. A few inches off in any direction there is no chance of completing that pass.
 
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