OT Lebron destroying Barkley

[Horatio]

Lebron wants to win multiple championships in Cleveland. If "whining " gets him a good back-up point guard and some more help , so be it. Maybe if Barkley did some "whining" he'd have a championship. I still remember Scottie Pippens criticism of Barkleys work ethic and Desire in Houston.
Pippen Rips `Fat' Barkley

 

[superjohn]

Lebron wants to win multiple championships in Cleveland. If "whining " gets him a good back-up point guard and some more help , so be it. Maybe if Barkley did some "whining" he'd have a championship. I still remember Scottie Pippens criticism of Barkleys work ethic and Desire in Houston.
Pippen Rips `Fat' Barkley

It just seems like Lebton wants to control everything, I would be a little annoyed if I was Gilbert and Love right now. Gilbert has given him all you could ask for, he wanted to play with other stars Gilbert got him Kyrie and Love. They have the biggest payroll in NBA history.

 

[champs99and04]

Talk about burying the lead with that headline. The "hater" comment is about the 20th most interesting thing about that article. I've never seen LeBron so unhinged, it really shocked me to read some of that stuff.

Barkley's impossible to dislike, if you ask me. If you're going to start railing against anyone who speaks unintelligibly about race or basketball, you're going to have a thin list of people to relate to.

But whatever you do, please don't lump him in with Stephen A. Smith or anybody else who takes themselves way too seriously. He's far more like Bill Walton - occasionally he'll say something that resonates, but if you're going there for insight you're probably doing it wrong. Dudes like that who are larger than life are probably the last people to ask about that stuff.

 

[Horatio]

It just seems like Lebton wants to control everything, I would be a little annoyed if I was Gilbert and Love right now. Gilbert has given him all you could ask for, he wanted to play with other stars Gilbert got him Kyrie and Love. They have the biggest payroll in NBA history.

Gilbert is supposed to get him other stars to play with. He's not doing Lebron a favor by getting him Love and Kyrie. He's supposed to surround him with superior talent in this age of Super Teams if he wants to win multiple championships. The problem is the injuries with JR and Love.

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

Barkley is the same guy who goes on a national radio platform and said Black people deserve to get racially profiled by the police because a lot of Black people are crooks, says on national TV that he can't say for sure slavery was all that bad because he wasn't there, and you think this clown is above being criticized or having articles written on him taking him to task for the buffoon that he is. You gotta get your mind right because you sound crazy right now.

And what the hell does any of that have to do with his quotes related to Lebron? You cited him being a drunk in a previous post. Now this?

Why don't you attack his argument instead of his as a person?

Here I'll list his points out to make it easy for you:

"Inappropriate. Whiny. All of the above,". Lebron is whiney. This is true

"The Cleveland Cavaliers, they have given him everything he wanted. They've given him a lot. maybe not everything. But lebron can do whatever he wants. ill say this is true.

"They have the highest payroll in NBA history." True

"He wanted J.R. Smith last summer, they paid him." True again

"He wanted [Iman] Shumpert last summer". Also True

"They brought in Kyle Korver." True

"He's the best player in the world." True

"Does he want all of the good players?" Apparently so

"He don't want to compete?" This is a question not a statement.

"He is an amazing player". True

"They're the defending champs." True

So of all the points Barkley made, every single one is more or less true. Do you disagree with any of this??

On a side note, what Lebron said is also true. Hes never been in trouble off the court and seems like a great family man and dad. That doesn't mean he cant also be whiny. They aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[champs99and04]

LeBron comes off as pretentious as hell, and I say that as somebody who's a fan of his. He could have left it to basketball.

 

[aceboon]

And what the hell does any of that have to do with his quotes related to Lebron? You cited him being a drunk in a previous post. Now this?

Why don't you attack his argument instead of his as a person?

Here I'll list his points out to make it easy for you:

"Inappropriate. Whiny. All of the above,". Lebron is whiney. This is true

"The Cleveland Cavaliers, they have given him everything he wanted. They've given him a lot. maybe not everything. But lebron can do whatever he wants. ill say this is true.

"They have the highest payroll in NBA history." True

"He wanted J.R. Smith last summer, they paid him." True again

"He wanted [Iman] Shumpert last summer". Also True

"They brought in Kyle Korver." True

"He's the best player in the world." True

"Does he want all of the good players?" Apparently so

"He don't want to compete?" This is a question not a statement.

"He is an amazing player". True

"They're the defending champs." True

So of all the points Barkley made, every single one is more or less true. Do you disagree with any of this??

On a side note, what Lebron said is also true. Hes never been in trouble off the court and seems like a great family man and dad. That doesn't mean he cant also be whiny. They aren't mutually exclusive.

I could care less about the Lebron vs Barkley debate, superjohn argued that Barkley was some beloved character who is above being criticized in articles and I disagreed, and the stuff that has come out of Barkley's mouth has certainly made him not beloved with anyone in my circle. Follow along with the convo, if you want to get in some silly First Take type debate you can try someone else because that wasn't the discussion we were having.

 

[superjohn]

Talk about burying the lead with that headline. The "hater" comment is about the 20th most interesting thing about that article. I've never seen LeBron so unhinged, it really shocked me to read some of that stuff.

Barkley's impossible to dislike, if you ask me. If you're going to start railing against anyone who speaks unintelligibly about race or basketball, you're going to have a thin list of people to relate to.

But whatever you do, please don't lump him in with Stephen A. Smith or anybody else who takes themselves way too seriously. He's far more like Bill Walton - occasionally he'll say something that resonates, but if you're going there for insight you're probably doing it wrong. Dudes like that who are larger than life are probably the last people to ask about that stuff.

That's what I was trying to get at. Barkley doesn't take himself seriously, so much so he loves being the brunt of the joke. Lebron is the complete opposite, he's always serious as hell and rarely if ever seems loose enough to have a laugh at himself. Making it personal with Barkley seems like an unwise and melty move.

 

[Matrim55]

LeBron is the best. Barkely is also the best. This is awesome.

 

[HuskiesAllDay]

I could care less about the Lebron vs Barkley debate, superjohn argued that Barkley was some beloved character who is above being criticized in articles and I disagreed, and the stuff that has come out of Barkley's mouth has certainly made him not beloved with anyone in my circle. Follow along with the convo, if you want to get in some silly First Take type debate you can try someone else because that wasn't the discussion we were having.

Ok, fair point. But you were engaged in a pretty silly argument in the first place. Maybe beloved isn't the right word, but Charles is pretty darn popular.

 

[superjohn]

I could care less about the Lebron vs Barkley debate, superjohn argued that Barkley was some beloved character who is above being criticized in articles and I disagreed, and the stuff that has come out of Barkley's mouth has certainly made him not beloved with anyone in my circle. Follow along with the convo, if you want to get in some silly First Take type debate you can try someone else because that wasn't the discussion we were having.

I could also care less about the Barkley Lebron debate. Never was looking for an argument and didn't say he is above being criticized in articles. We disagreed on him being beloved then you posted an article which calls him a drunk and Uncle Tom. Thread then became about race and you chose to make assumptions about who my friends are. I like you as a poster and respect your basketball opinions and wouldn't make assumptions about you as a person.

 

[aceboon]

I could also care less about the Barkley Lebron debate. Never was looking for an argument and didn't say he is above being criticized in articles. We disagreed on him being beloved then you posted an article which calls him a drunk and Uncle Tom. Thread then became about race and you chose to make assumptions about who my friends are. I like you as a poster and respect your basketball opinions and wouldn't make assumptions about you as a person.

Fair enough, I probably took it a step too far in regards to you but as far as Barkley he can't be defended imo, the stuff that has come out of his mouth the past few years has been garbage. I swore off watching any of the TNT pre/postgame stuff after the slavery comments.

 

[EBonz30]

Lebron just made it personal, not a smart move on his part. Barkley is funny, self-deprecating and beloved he's not the type of guy you want to pick a fight with. I think Barkley will probably let him off the hook but if not he could make Lebron look very bad.

Problem with that theory is that LeBron has nothing else to prove, most people look at Barkley as a joke because he says outrageous things just to get ratings and publicity.

LeBron is definitely tough to take though, but his greatness shines through on the court, just stop talking about players and play basketball.

 

[gtcam]

He is a drunk, and while I've long stopped watching Inside the NBA because I have no desire to listen to either him or Shaq, Barkley routinely said dumb ish about basketball. Are you fogetting his "jumpshooting teams can't win championships" nonsense? Barkley is a running joke on NBA Twitter for his baksetball opinons. Also, you don't have to be from Baltimore to not like Barkley, if you think he's this beloved character that just lets me know you need to diversify your circle.

Who are you to tell someone to "diversify your circle"?
Barkley is far from my favorite person
BUT LJ is perhaps the most egotistical bloviated person in sports - he never commits a foul Is he a star? Hell yeah and may be the most talented person to play the game - not the best- the most talented. He has gotten to the point where he feels he is Gods gift to man - far from it. Those shots of him at the Cleveland Indians games cracked me up - yeah he's a Cleveland fan, must be a season ticket holder - saw him at all the Browns games that he could have attended too.
Shaq is someone who is off his rocker - like someone hit him in the head too many times
Barkley says some outlandish things but so does Shaq, Kenny, Bilas, Vitale, Jason, Greenburg - they all do
That's my opinion and I definitely have a very diverse circle of friends

 

[aceboon]

Who are you to tell someone to "diversify your circle"?
Barkley is far from my favorite person
BUT LJ is perhaps the most egotistical bloviated person in sports - he never commits a foul Is he a star? Hell yeah and may be the most talented person to play the game - not the best- the most talented. He has gotten to the point where he feels he is Gods gift to man - far from it. Those shots of him at the Cleveland Indians games cracked me up - yeah he's a Cleveland fan, must be a season ticket holder - saw him at all the Browns games that he could have attended too.
Shaq is someone who is off his rocker - like someone hit him in the head too many times
Barkley says some outlandish things but so does Shaq, Kenny, Bilas, Vitale, Jason, Greenburg - they all do
That's my opinion and I definitely have a very diverse circle of friends

Outside of Shaq none of those guys have said anything outside of sports on the level of what Barkley has said, if you don't know what's actually being discussed here why bother putting yourself in the conversation?

 

[Robertelamin]

Well this thread was about Barkley's comments about LeBron until you hijacked the conversation.

 

[nomar]

FWIW, this is the Barkley comment that aceboon's referring to:

“The only problem I had with Kenny’s, umm, open letter was, umm, I don’t think anytime something bad happens in the black community we have to talk about slavery. Listen, slavery is, uh, well, I shouldn’t say one of the worst things ever, because I don’t know anything about it other than what I read or what my grandmother told me.”

 

[sammydabiz]

Lebron is a 6'8" 260 lb whining little "female dog"

Best example is the fact he didn't do one thing, when his own teammate was having relations with his mom of all people. Grow a sack Lebron

 

[superjohn]

Fair enough, I probably took it a step too far in regards to you but as far as Barkley he can't be defended imo, the stuff that has come out of his mouth the past few years has been garbage. I swore off watching any of the TNT pre/postgame stuff after the slavery comments.

I never heard the slavery comment before today and it was an incredibly stupid comment. He puts himself out there a lot on race and he has said a couple things I agree with but has also said a whole bunch of dumb. I'm very open about talking about race because I think it's still about the biggest problem in our country. Barkley should be more informed but I would take someone like him who is open to talking about it and sticking his foot in his mouth over the countless otbers who stay silent. Anyways, I can see where you are coming from.

 

[aceboon]

Well this thread was about Barkley's comments about LeBron until you hijacked the conversation.

That hijacking was due to a comment made by one poster about Barkley that I disagreed with, this really shouldn't be that hard. My comments are ON Barkley.

 

[BUConn10]

I like both guys, consider myself a HUGE fan of Lebron, but Lebron is right here. Saying things like a guy will NEVER be in the top 5 all time when he's still in his prime is short sighted and frankly a "hater" thing to say, at least let him bring his career to a close and assess it objectively.

Barkley is also notorious for saying things for the sake of stirring up controversy or YouTube clips, he plays the role of the dumb guy well and has embraced it so it almost uses it as his shield when saying ridiculous things. And like @aceboon said just because Barkley was a great player doesn't mean he hasn't had a plethora of idiotic comments and statements about the game analytically speaking.

 

[tower1]

He's still beloved. The country loves people who run their mouths; I'm sure you've noticed. For some reason, that's apparently become synonymous with being "honest." I do find Chuck entertaining. He's definitely a clown, but that's the shtick.

This is harsh:

"I'm not going to let him disrespect my legacy like that," James told ESPN. "I'm not the one who threw somebody through a window. I never spit on a kid. I never had unpaid debt in Las Vegas. I never said, 'I'm not a role model.' I never showed up to All-Star Weekend on Sunday because I was in Vegas all weekend partying."

LeBron forgot to mention the time when Barkely got pulled over for a DUI and told the officer that he ran the stop sign because he was in a hurry to get a BJ.

Hey, he was in a hurry to meet LeBron. LOL

 

[superjohn]

Lebron is a 6'8" 260 lb whining little "female dog"

Best example is the fact he didn't do one thing, when his own teammate was having relations with his mom of all people. Grow a sack Lebron

That whining little female dog would destroy you.

 

[Scoe]

Lebron is a 6'8" 260 lb whining little "female dog"

Best example is the fact he didn't do one thing, when his own teammate was having relations with his mom of all people. Grow a sack Lebron

Say it to his face.

 

[BUConn10]

Say it to his face.

When people say things like this I realize how fortunate a guy like Michael Jordan was that the internet and social media didn't exist during his career. The man literally became a billionaire because the media loved him and Nike carefully controlled his image. Nowadays with twitter and instagram everyone is a journalist and everyone is trying to get a rise out of someone famous for "views" and "likes".

If the internet was around in the '90s, people would be saying dumb stuff like calling him a "whiny female dog" because every comment MJ made would be made public. A notorious is worshipped as a saint and godfather of the game, while the second best to ever play it, a revolutionary of the game, and a flat out good dude who has never been in trouble with the law or making a fool of himself in public gets s*** on constantly by idiots like Sammydabiz and Barkley because it's easy and pretty much part of "internet culture"

/rant

 

[mjmoney23]

The only things softer than LeBron are his fans. Barkley is 100% accurate with his criticism of lebron. Thy won a title last year and he is whining and crying. He gets very offended when he is called out for his softness. Look at the whole Phil Jackson thing...lebron wouldn't even sit down to talk about it with him as that would require a spine. Mr softie also resorted to personal attacks, where as Barkley never said anything about Bron that didn't have to do with basketball. Let's look at his return to cleveland. He only left Miami as the heat were washed and he wasn't going to win there. What does he do? He goes to a team with a recent number 1 pick then gets another all star. Same crap he pulled in Miami but he gets a pass here because he went back home. Lebron stans will defend him and call me a hater, I already know that's coming. His obsession with being the best is nauseating as he goes about it the wrong way. He is a big baby who cries when he doesn't get his way. A hypocrite who cries to the media when draymond talks trash to him then runs his mouth to curry after dunking over him. He is the ultimate athlete in terms of his size and strength yet still is as soft as charmin.

 

[BUConn10]

The only things softer than LeBron are his fans. Barkley is 100% accurate with his criticism of lebron. Thy won a title last year and he is whining and crying. He gets very offended when he is called out for his softness. Look at the whole Phil Jackson thing...lebron wouldn't even sit down to talk about it with him as that would require a spine. Mr softie also resorted to personal attacks, where as Barkley never said anything about Bron that didn't have to do with basketball. Let's look at his return to cleveland. He only left Miami as the heat were washed and he wasn't going to win there. What does he do? He goes to a team with a recent number 1 pick then gets another all star. Same crap he pulled in Miami but he gets a pass here because he went back home. Lebron stans will defend him and call me a hater, I already know that's coming. His obsession with being the best is nauseating as he goes about it the wrong way. He is a big baby who cries when he doesn't get his way. A hypocrite who cries to the media when draymond talks trash to him then runs his mouth to curry after dunking over him. He is the ultimate athlete in terms of his size and strength yet still is as soft as charmin.

Have you ever watched Inside the NBA? I don't think you do based on your post. Saying Barkley never said anything personal is crazy because that's like what Barkley is known for on that show. He probably makes one Lebron hairline joke or something per episode. And that's not me being "soft", I actually love the show for that very reason. Those guys were all great players and have personalities that allow them to make jokes and be funny without coming off as too critical.

Lebron's position in this matter is that Barkley has been saying stuff about him that he claims isn't true, and it's been going on for most of his career. I see nothing wrong with Lebron getting an opportunity to voice his opinion on Barkley when Charles has been doing it on live TV for over a decade. If anything that's far from being soft, I don't really get how that term really applies, he is responding to criticism, he gets a say in this matter too. We forget that the guy is probably the most analyzed athlete of the internet age and from the age of 18 this kid has done nothing but surpass the insane, unrealistic expectations set for him, all without really any major bumps in the road when you compare how the NFL and other leagues major stars are constantly under the microscope over endless domestic abuse and DUI cases and whatnot. Some people simply don't like Lebron for one reason or another, and I've always felt like that dislike from those people is somewhat irrational because besides a few comments and acts that rubbed people the wrong way he really doesn't deserve as much as he gets, I think it's because he's been the best for so long so that brings detractors. Something tells me you fall in that category.

 

[champs99and04]

FWIW, this is the Barkley comment that aceboon's referring to:

“The only problem I had with Kenny’s, umm, open letter was, umm, I don’t think anytime something bad happens in the black community we have to talk about slavery. Listen, slavery is, uh, well, I shouldn’t say one of the worst things ever, because I don’t know anything about it other than what I read or what my grandmother told me.”

This is ignorant, and I'm not going to quibble with anybody who turns the channel when a guy like Barkley comes on; ignorance is ignorance, even when it is dressed up as self-deprecation, and as a white guy I don't re-live the trauma that comments like these ignite. I'm not saying it this way to be diplomatic, I'm saying it this way because it's the only way to say it.

Accountability spills into elitism/classism real quick, though, and if our sensibilities have arisen from sociology textbooks rather than the street, the streets become endangered by a standard that was never meant to be applied universally (incidentally, in an era where the man who does need to abide by those standards - the president - does not, that line becomes muddled). Inside the NBA is not the streets, but the way it is branded - as a return to a simpler, less regulated forum - is inextricable from it's appeal, and as a result five figure suits are re-furnished to fit the casualness of a barbershop.

These comments are fairly innocuous in that context. They would not be innocuous if a white man had said them, but that a white man might think them is wholly relevant to this discussion for the reason that there are likely an a-ton of them who agree with him. And they agree with him because their experiences - or lack thereof - actually, in the most innocent of ways, prevent them from understanding the flaws in their thinking. Charles Barkley's comments were not thoughtful or insightful, but they were natural, and if ignorance cannot see the light of day then who can it ever be captured and reformed?

I am aware that this does not answer anybody directly, but I would offer a few cautionary words to LeBron: Barkley is credible because he is likable. That, along with the fact that he was one of the greatest ever, is literally it. And if you'd allow me to play internet psychologist for a moment, I suspect that LeBron's boiling frustration derives from him often having the opposite problem. He can't figure out why he's less likable than somebody who was not only a worse player than him but also more checkered.

There's a story in there somewhere about LeBron, and how remarkable it is that he is all those things he said he was, despite having every opportunity to act out on the injustice that has plagued his life and career...but it's not his job to tell it.

 

[NielsisGood]

He is a drunk, and while I've long stopped watching Inside the NBA because I have no desire to listen to either him or Shaq, Barkley routinely said dumb ish about basketball. Are you fogetting his "jumpshooting teams can't win championships" nonsense? Barkley is a running joke on NBA Twitter for his baksetball opinons. Also, you don't have to be from Baltimore to not like Barkley, if you think he's this beloved character that just lets me know you need to diversify your circle.

Don't people on this board ever get tired of posting dumb shit like this? There's like 15-20 people that still even post here, and this is how you treat a guy for having a different opinion about an OT subject that isn't even important in the first place?

 

[J-dog]

I'm siding with Lebron here. Barkley is a jerk. And everything James said is spot on. And I'm not a Lebron guy either.

Charles was 0 for 6 in 2014 & this makes him 0 for 7...