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And this is why i say Uconn `24 absolutely smokes UNLV `90.
And this is why i say Uconn `24 absolutely smokes UNLV `90.
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This take never fails to make me chuckle.
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It's so dumb.
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Comparing eras is stupid. You have to factor in play style, how the game was reffed, all sorts of things. College teams don't even full court press now.
This last UConn team played the best brand of basketball I've seen. We play by far the best brand of basketball for this era, it's why you saw us destroy everyone in the tournament.
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People are talking about across the entire league. Generational athletes would be generational athletes regardless, but it's pretty obvious that even those guys you mentioned would have benefitted from advances in sports science and medicine. I don't think acknowledging that takes away from how great guys were.
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Can you explain all the advances in sports science and medicine that would have benefited these players?
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Once they eliminated hand checking the physicality of the game started to change dramatically. Especially on the perimeter.
Cannot compare eras as a player like Kareem would never have reached the level he did in today’s nba. He never would have been able to cover today’s centers.
He was the previous all time scorer before LB passed him.
Have not seen McAdoo listed he was before his time and when he played center he was a matchup nightmare. He was actually the first KD.
Cannot compare eras as a player like Kareem would never have reached the level he did in today’s nba. He never would have been able to cover today’s centers.
He was the previous all time scorer before LB passed him.
Have not seen McAdoo listed he was before his time and when he played center he was a matchup nightmare. He was actually the first KD.
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I don't see how you can really compare the two era's.
Before the mid 90's if you were tall for your age, you would most likely get labelled a center or forward and you would be 'stuck' under or close to the hoop and maybe not given much chance to develop the other skills. Coaches would want you to add weight, rebound, score around the rim and protect the hoop and your teammates. I remember watching some big guys shoot from outside, including 3's, before a game and then only step outside to set a pick now and then and not even look at the basket. I remember M. Bol being considered an oddity, not just for his unusual height, but because he could hit some 3's. Centers just didn't go out there and if one put up a shot and missed, he might be on the bench a second later. I look at Patrick Ewing as the example of the big man from the 80's. Even though I was a Celts fan, you had to recognize the skills he had. He had a decent shooter's touch and if he came through the different levels and was developed today, the 3 point shot would have been part of his game.
I do think there are more skilled players because basketball became a worldwide thing and it's popularity really grew in the U.S. as well. I do think there are some players who would struggle if they were playing 40-50 years ago, but most would do fine. I do also wonder what a guy like Jordan's numbers would be today because the game has gotten softer but that is because of the rules and not the players for the most part.
Before the mid 90's if you were tall for your age, you would most likely get labelled a center or forward and you would be 'stuck' under or close to the hoop and maybe not given much chance to develop the other skills. Coaches would want you to add weight, rebound, score around the rim and protect the hoop and your teammates. I remember watching some big guys shoot from outside, including 3's, before a game and then only step outside to set a pick now and then and not even look at the basket. I remember M. Bol being considered an oddity, not just for his unusual height, but because he could hit some 3's. Centers just didn't go out there and if one put up a shot and missed, he might be on the bench a second later. I look at Patrick Ewing as the example of the big man from the 80's. Even though I was a Celts fan, you had to recognize the skills he had. He had a decent shooter's touch and if he came through the different levels and was developed today, the 3 point shot would have been part of his game.
I do think there are more skilled players because basketball became a worldwide thing and it's popularity really grew in the U.S. as well. I do think there are some players who would struggle if they were playing 40-50 years ago, but most would do fine. I do also wonder what a guy like Jordan's numbers would be today because the game has gotten softer but that is because of the rules and not the players for the most part.
Oakley played out of position in 97-98, at Center when Ewing was out for most of the season as were Buck Williams and Chris Dudley. Oakley made the all defensive team that year.
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I mean…that’s nice and all. Draymond won a DPOY and is an 8-Time All Defensive player. It’s not comparable.
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Well surely not all of them but here's a few: a much better understanding of what the human body needs to recover, cryotherapy, electromagnetic pulse treatments, huge advances in arthroscopic surgery, advanced imaging technology, wearable technology to measure exercise variables, a better understanding of fast-twitch and slow-twitch muscles, and obviously many many more.
Exercise physiology has come a very, very long way in the last 40 odd years. We understand so much more about how to have top athletes performing at their best for the long haul. Do you think TMac's knees couldn't have benefitted from some of these techniques?
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Surgeries are one thing but "sports science" is mostly a junk industry people have gotten rich off of.
I don't know what T-Mac's knee injuries were or if advances in knee surgeries would've saved his knees. Maybe. I do think the numbers show the average age and career length in the NBA is now lower than it was in the 90's. There's so many different factors that I wouldn't even attempt to come up with any conclusion as to why that is.
The NBA game is very different now than it was 20+ years ago. Rule changes, emphasis on different things, and a different overall strategy around spacing and the value of the three point shot but I just don't think the players are bigger, stronger and more athletic now. The numbers and my eyes don't back it up.
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I’m so ready to annoyingly “what you know about this” to the offsprings about everything in sports and entertainment.
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Who is rooting against players today? I haven't seen any of that in the thread. The thread was started because a young current NBA star player said something totally ridiculous about former NBA players.
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Don’t think so, plus debates are fine.
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Ole heads be like "Take away the understanding of advanced stats, advancements in sports medicine and science, the ability to analyze and learn from previous athletes, better coaches/schematic differences, and smarter skill development starting at younger ages, the players of today would be JUST like the players from 20+ years ago!"
Yes, my dudes, if you took everything away from the players today that directly contributes to them playing at a higher level, they'd be like the players of 20+ years ago.
Nostalgia is so powerful, it's insane people argue about this.
Yes, my dudes, if you took everything away from the players today that directly contributes to them playing at a higher level, they'd be like the players of 20+ years ago.
Nostalgia is so powerful, it's insane people argue about this.
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I recently watched some old teams and honestly the basketball seemed primitive. Those defenses would have no answer for the offense Dan Hurley runs and the offensive sets they run were nothing todays teams havent seen already. As far as comparing eras being "stupid" i say sure, but its fun off season talk. Live a little.
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Do you watch current AAU ball?
Have you listened to Adam Silver's thoughts on American players coming into the league now?
Nothing wrong with debates but simulating is fun.
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Yup. Schemes and all that jazz may be at an all time high. But development is truly at a low for American basketball players coming into the league.
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Players of certain eras seem to have a big effect on the game afterwards.
Jordan brought in an era of swingmen superstars who were great in 1 on 1 iso (Kobe, T Max, AI, Ray, Vince. etc.)
This new era is completely birthed from Steph and the Warriors as well as every 7’ wanting to be KD.
Jordan brought in an era of swingmen superstars who were great in 1 on 1 iso (Kobe, T Max, AI, Ray, Vince. etc.)
This new era is completely birthed from Steph and the Warriors as well as every 7’ wanting to be KD.
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Exactly why the best players are from Europe
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Yes.
You know Adam Silver is just a businessman, right? He's not a good resource for basketball takes. I'm not sure how his opinion even disproves my point?
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No, you're a much better resource for NBA basketball takes than Adam Silver.
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I bet I watch 50x more basketball than Adam Silver. He's pretty busy managing a multi-billion dollar company.
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