OT- Jeremy Lin

[Prezidint]

yeah but considering this is only his fifth career start,hes only 23 and is learning how to run an nba team he`s going to have turnovers but he`ll get better. scary to think what this kid will be in 5 years because i believe he is a legit big time pg.

Come on now. Don't spit the bit on this one. He's good, and doing well, but 23 is not exactly Kobe out of HS, and he's not going to be a substantially different player in 5 years. He'll be like he is now, with more experience.

 

[caw]

Come on now. Don't spit the bit on this one. He's good, and doing well, but 23 is not exactly Kobe out of HS, and he's not going to be a substantially different player in 5 years. He'll be like he is now, with more experience.

Just for fun, when Steve Nash was 23ish he was in his second year in Phoenix (first time) averaging 9.1 PTS, 3.4 Assists, 2.1 Rebounds, 1.3 TO's and shooting 46%, 42%, 86%. True it was in 22 minutes, but...he didn't hit his strides as a PG until he was 26+.

Nash is now 38 and averaging: 14.3 PTs, 10.5 Assists, 2.6 Rebs, 3.6 TO's and shooting 56%, 43%, 88% in one of his worst statistical seasons in 10 years.

Or there is Kyle Lowry who at 23 averaged 9.1, 4.5 and 1.7 TO's in 24 minutes a game and now is at 15, 7.6 and 3.2 TO's in 35 minutes.

Or Calderon (not in NBA at 23) Rookie year of 5.5, 4.5 and 1.6 TOs

Or Tony Parker who had 5.8 / 3.1 at 23 but is at 7.6 / 2.4, A/TO now.

PG is a position you can def learn and get better at, especially when it comes to A/TO.

Lin may not get substantially better statistically and I expect his PPG to dip from this 6 game stretch but he can become a substantially better player. He has a number of aspects to his game he can work on: 3PT shooting, TO's lead the way.

 

[Deadrody]

Come on now. Don't spit the bit on this one. He's good, and doing well, but 23 is not exactly Kobe out of HS, and he's not going to be a substantially different player in 5 years. He'll be like he is now, with more experience.

And with experience comes knowledge. How different guys try to defend you, how different teams will try and defend you, and therefore how to be aggressive without taking undue risks with the ball. I.E. less turnovers.

I have ZERO doubts that even 10 games from now, Lin will be better about protecting the ball, nevermind 5 years from now. The idea that you "are who you are" after starting 5 games is ridiculous.

 

[Prezidint]

The idea that you "are who you are" after starting 5 games is ridiculous.

That's not my idea.
My idea is that he's been playing at a high level for 8 or more years.
It's not like he's Drummond or Thabeet.
The kid's physical attributes 5 years from now will be the same as today, more or less.
His skill set and BBall IQ and so on are very high right now. In other words, given how smart he is, how much organized ball he has played, and so on, he's close to his ceiling.
I'm not saying he can't be better in a few years.
I'm just saying that it's, IMO, ridiculous to think that he's got a lot of room to improve.
On the contrary - as teams start to key on him more and scout him, his numbers will likely go down.

I'm definitely rooting for him, however. Love to see him do better.

 

[caw]

I agree 26-9 is his ceiling, but I think he can reduce his TO's significantly. His PPG will go down because teams start to key on him, but also because Carmelo and Amare will demand more shots. His assists should go up.

 

[Deadrody]

That's not my idea.
My idea is that he's been playing at a high level for 8 or more years.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Playing at a high level in the Ivy League is not even remotely close to playing at a high level in the NBA, which Lin has only been doing for about 10 days.

 

[Fishy]

John Starks is a good comparison.

He bounced all over creation in college, wasn't drafted, was signed and cut by Golden State, went to the CBA and WBL and eventually landed with the Knicks...who didn't want him, but who had to keep him because I think he was on injured reserve. (Couldn't cut him.)

Like Lin, they only played him when they have no other choice.

And like Tebow, it's a fun story, but I'm not sure it'll continue. The NBA adjusts - we'll see.

 

[TheChamps990411]

That's not my idea.
My idea is that he's been playing at a high level for 8 or more years.
It's not like he's Drummond or Thabeet.
The kid's physical attributes 5 years from now will be the same as today, more or less.
His skill set and BBall IQ and so on are very high right now. In other words, given how smart he is, how much organized ball he has played, and so on, he's close to his ceiling.
I'm not saying he can't be better in a few years.
I'm just saying that it's, IMO, ridiculous to think that he's got a lot of room to improve.
On the contrary - as teams start to key on him more and scout him, his numbers will likely go down.

I'm definitely rooting for him, however. Love to see him do better.

its safe to say that lin will not be averaging 30ppg 10asts when hes 28 that wasnt what i meant. of course his ceiling physically is already reached but he is only going to get better as he understands the pro game more and more with experience. better doesnt mean he`ll average more points but by better i mean his a/to ratio should improve as well dealing with what other teams throw at him and of course his 3 point shooting can and will likely become more consistant.

 

[Devland]

I like to compare him more to Victor Cruz more so then Tebow, Tebow had hype coming out of college Lin did not.

Lin and Cruz comparisons

undrafted check
both organizations criticized for letting their guys go Steve Smith on the Giants and Billups on the Knicks
both playing in NY
Shumpert is getting overlooked now just like Hakeem Nicks was for the Giants

I can see both comparisons. Cruz and Lin both came out of nowhere to become stars. But, Tebow and Lin are both took over leadership type rolls on medeocre teams and when they started playing both their teams imediately went on winning streaks. They also both became instant national phenomenoms. I think Cruz was more of a local phenomenom and playing slot receiver isn't the same as point guard or quarterback.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

I can see both comparisons. Cruz and Lin both came out of nowhere to become stars. But, Tebow and Lin are both took over leadership type rolls on medeocre teams and when they started playing both their teams imediately went on winning streaks. They also both became instant national phenomenoms. I think Cruz was more of a local phenomenom and playing slot receiver isn't the same as point guard or quarterback.

Kurt Warner story and Victor Cruz story are more similar to Jeremy Lin story. Tebow was hyped non-stop in high school and college while everyone overlooked Jeremy Lin. Jeremy Lin's best asset is his decision making and mental toughness. He attacks non-stop and carried his team at key moments. He did it against the Timberwolves and the Raptors. Those Raptors came to play last night. They played hard and did everything possible to get the ball out of his hand. He had turnovers in the 1st half but he made adjustments in the second half. He delivered when it mattered.

I think going forward Jeremy Lin's scoring will be down but his assists will go up. He will be playing in the NBA for years because they way he can score from all kinds of methods. He will need to improve his turnovers but it is not that bad for someone who plays that many minutes and handles the ball that much. His outside shot is not that bad and can only improve going forward. The kid's future is very bright and I hope he can keep it going.

 

[Scoe]

Dennis Rodman is another great story he was a janitor at an airport and decided to give basketball another try once he experienced a growth spurt, of course he ends up winning 5 championships and goes into the HOF.

 

[Prezidint]

We'll have to agree to disagree. Playing at a high level in the Ivy League is not even remotely close to playing at a high level in the NBA, which Lin has only been doing for about 10 days.

Frankly, I want you to be right. I'd love the kid to be a perennial all start. An ass-kickin Asian Dynamo. I wow you long time.

I seem to recall, back when JLin played in the lowly Ivy League, he lit us up pretty damn good, at a pretty high level. Anybody recall the numbers? I remember seeing him light us up for 30ish and thinking, "this kid has NBA potential."

 

[WestCoastHusky]

Jeremy Lin is way more athletic than people give him credit for:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/12063/sport-science-jeremy-lin#comment

His success so far in the NBA is no fluke. Also, here is the take from Steve Nash who he is being compared to constantly:

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2012/02/...-than-the-system-perfect-storm/#ixzz1mckjrjVn

 

[sledog]

From a karma - may have been better off had the MSG-TW stand-off not eased.

 

[Devland]

Jeremy Lin is way more athletic than people give him credit for:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/12063/sport-science-jeremy-lin#comment

His success so far in the NBA is no fluke. Also, here is the take from Steve Nash who he is being compared to constantly:

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2012/02/16/steve-nash-jeremy-lin-success-more-than-the-system-perfect-storm/#ixzz1mckjrjVn[/quote]

People make a big deal out of the fact that he was not drafted. Saying he came out of nowhere. But there are only two rounds in the NBA draft and he was supposed to be a possible draft pick. If there were a third round and he was selected, would some of the cinderella aspect be gone? There's no way of knowing. Not getting drafted in the NBA is not as big of a deal as it is in other sports. There are a ton of other undrafted NBA players. As for people looking for a comparison to other athletes, I think the best comparison is Johnny Unitas. Unitas was cut by the Steelers. Although it's a little early to tell if he will have as prestiges of a career as Johnny U.