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Alum86 said:
when you see AAC tourney returning to Hartford it should make you heave.
Scooter is right. And I do not understand the love affair with Suzy on the BY. When it comes to athletics and The P5, I think she could give a FF if we go or not.
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Alum86 said:
when you see AAC tourney returning to Hartford it should make you heave.
Scooter is right. And I do not understand the love affair with Suzy on the BY. When it comes to athletics and The P5, I think she could give a FF if we go or not.
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She is like most college presidents. If she had her way we would be d3. Just about every president of every college would rather not have the headaches of athletics but they are stuck with them. You think the guy at Louisville wants to deal with his coach hiring hookers for recruits and he can't even fire the guy? Or Susan wants to spend hundreds of thousand on hiring an ad when critical funding for research is in danger? Of course they don't. Just like Shalala effectively downgraded Miami football by joining the ACC, and to paraphrase another Florigian she knew exactly what she was doing. She knew exactly what she was doing...she.knew...

Susan is fine with keeping UConn right where it is. If it gets a call she will answer but if not she has other priorities.
 
Scoot, do you have anything that you can submit to substantiate your assertions? It sounds to me that you are merely making assumptions based on what you've read on other people in positions similar to where SH is at UConn. If this is not the case I would like to see some evidence.

Trust me, SH wants UConn to be in a position academically that is similar to where schools like Michigan, Wisconsin, California, Virginia etc. are today and she fully realizes that the only way UConn can get there would be with affiliation in a major athletics conference. Yes, her primary concern is UConn's academic stature and yes, the last thing she would want is for UConn to turn into something similar to Miami in "Tha U's" heyday or have a scandal such as what Louisville is facing today but this does not require her to prefer a diminished stature in athletics.
 
freescooter said:
I don't know. My impression of Herbst is that she cares but not that much about athletics. If a P5 happens fine if not she has lots of other goals and she's not going out of her way to make it happen. She will say the right things but she won't make much of an effort. To quote the writer Isaac Basheva Singer when asked if he said he wouldn't cross the street to meet Shaespere, "I might cross the street, but I wouldn't travel to Flushing." That is Herbst's approach to the power 5. She might cross the street but she isn't willing to go out of her way.
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Have you ever talked to her about this? I have. A number of times. Usually at sporting events, strangely enough.

Even if she only cares because donors care and she wants their money; she cares.
 
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If you think the tournament coming back to Hartford means anything you're to put it nicely, misinformed. We'd be added for the 2017-2018 school year. We'll be be in the AAC in 2016-2017 regardless. I'm sure they're not selling very well in Orlando because hmm maybe no one in Florida cares about AAC basketball. They know there's a good chance UCONN will play at least 2 games thus at least 2 games will actually have people in the stands.
 
Well turns out that Orlando is going to host the NCAA first round. But that the tourney is returning to Hartford is not a great sign in my view.
 
Alum86 said:
when you see AAC tourney returning to Hartford it should make you heave.
Scooter is right. And I do not understand the love affair with Suzy on the BY. When it comes to athletics and The P5, I think she could give a FF if we go or not.
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Why? It shows that we're the only school in the league that can support it. That's positive. You assume that if we were (and we are) working a Big XII invite we'd share that with the AAC? Really? Of course we wouldn't tell them. Meanwhile we are in this league next year at the minimum.
 
Let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that freescooter doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing. He is undertaking a systematic effort to troll the boneyard. He knows his characterization of Herbst is demonstrably false, but he keeps going at it to rile everybody up.
 
junglehusky said:
Let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that freescooter doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing. He is undertaking a systematic effort to troll the boneyard. He knows his characterization of Herbst is demonstrably false, but he keeps going at it to rile everybody up.
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Trolling takes effort... I think he's just ignorant.
 
Of course SH wants us in a P5 conference. To me that's not the question. The fact is she has been up to this point very unsuccessful in doing that.

And when an independent body seeks proof she is doing that retrospectively - nothing is to be found. She has also said numerous times she has no control over this - which has always struck me as odd. If you have no control over something, why work at it?

The fact that she hired Mike T implicitly to me indicates she doesn't have the relationships or clout in the Presidents club to know how to get this done.
 
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Chief00 said:
Of course SH wants us in a P5 conference. To me that's not the question. The fact is she has been up to this point very unsuccessful in doing that.

And when an independent body seeks proof she is doing that retrospectively - nothing is to be found. She has also said numerous times she has no control over this - which has always struck me as odd. If you have no control over something, why work at it?

The fact that she hired Mike T implicitly to me indicates she doesn't have the relationships or clout in the Presidents club to know how to get this done.
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Do you ever tire of proving how little actual insight you have?
 
Chief00 said:
Of course SH wants us in a P5 conference. To me that's not the question. The fact is she has been up to this point very unsuccessful in doing that.

And when an independent body seeks proof she is doing that retrospectively - nothing is to be found. She has also said numerous times she has no control over this - which has always struck me as odd. If you have no control over something, why work at it?

The fact that she hired Mike T implicitly to me indicates she doesn't have the relationships or clout in the Presidents club to know how to get this done.
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CTMike said:
Do you ever tire of proving how little actual insight you have?
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If a tree falls in the woods and no one is there - does it make noise? That's your evaluation of my insight.
 
Chief00 said:
Of course SH wants us in a P5 conference. To me that's not the question. The fact is she has been up to this point very unsuccessful in doing that.

And when an independent body seeks proof she is doing that retrospectively - nothing is to be found. She has also said numerous times she has no control over this - which has always struck me as odd. If you have no control over something, why work at it?

The fact that she hired Mike T implicitly to me indicates she doesn't have the relationships or clout in the Presidents club to know how to get this done.
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One, Herbst does not have control over 1 key issues - an open slot at a p5 conference. Only the other conference can decide that and has we have seen with the back and forth discussions. facts, and rumors within the XII, it is not always a clear-cut process for them, also.

As for hiring Mike Tranghese, that seems to me she knows exactly what she is doing. She is the University President and is pulled in hundreds of ways, such as dealing with the fools and the mess at the Capital in Hartford right now. Conference expansion is such a important issue to her and the university that she knows she cannot give it the attention the issue needs. So, she hired an outside consultant, who is well connected in the college athletic circle, to do the heavy lifting and the connecting. As a consultant, he also likely lies outside of public FOI requests, which could derail any on-going, sensitive discussions.
 
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CTMike said:
Quite frankly, my money is on Herbst knowing one hell of a lot more than you.
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His boy Jimmy C speaks the world of Susan Herbst and has been saying all along that things will be ok..it may just take a little bit of time. Which is it @Chief00 doomsday or is your boy right? I mean you love to go on and on how you have sources close to Calhoun all the time.
 
Chief00 said:
Of course SH wants us in a P5 conference. To me that's not the question. The fact is she has been up to this point very unsuccessful in doing that.

And when an independent body seeks proof she is doing that retrospectively - nothing is to be found. She has also said numerous times she has no control over this - which has always struck me as odd. If you have no control over something, why work at it?

The fact that she hired Mike T implicitly to me indicates she doesn't have the relationships or clout in the Presidents club to know how to get this done.
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Quite frankly, the hiring of Mike T indicates to me something very different than what you are suggesting.
 
FDNY99 said:
His boy Jimmy C speaks the world of Susan Herbst and has been saying all along that things will be ok..it may just take a little bit of time. Which is it @Chief00 doomsday or is your boy right? I mean you love to go on and on how you have sources close to Calhoun all the time.
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Calhoun used to lean on Chief00 and pick his brain for hoops advice. When he's not hanging out with Drummond of course.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
Calhoun used to lean on Chief00 and pick his brain for hoops advice. When he's not hanging out with Drummond of course.
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Susan Herbst still signs one of Jim's pay checks but not mine. LOL

Actually, I don't personally have a problem with her - just speaking quite frankly. I will say she is not very popular in the Presidents club and that's all that matters. She doesn't seem to be able to built any strong relationships with other Presidents and that is a real liability.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
One, Herbst does not have control over 1 key issues - an open slot at a p5 conference. Only the other conference can decide that and has we have seen with the back and forth discussions. facts, and rumors within the XII, it is not always a clear-cut process for them, also.

As for hiring Mike Tranghese, that seems to me she knows exactly what she is doing. She is the University President and is pulled in hundreds of ways, such as dealing with the fools and the mess at the Capital in Hartford right now. Conference expansion is such a important issue to her and the university that she knows she cannot give it the attention the issue needs. So, she hired an outside consultant, who is well connected in the college athletic circle, to do the heavy lifting and the connecting. As a consultant, he also likely lies outside of public FOI requests, which could derail any on-going, sensitive discussions.
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One, there have been numerous P5 team adds during SH's tenure.

As for Mike T - personally I like the guy - having said that one P5 conference he's had too many battles with to be effective with today (ACC) unless other events completely back them into a corner.

The Athletic Dept generally likes Susan because she has not reigned in their budget despite huge deficits in the tens of millions.
 
Chief00 said:
Susan Herbst still signs one of Jim's pay checks but not mine. LOL

Actually, I don't personally have a problem with her - just speaking quite frankly. I will say she is not very popular in the Presidents club and that's all that matters. She doesn't seem to be able to built any strong relationships with other Presidents and that is a real liability.
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Thanks for your insight into university presidents.
 
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junglehusky said:
Let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that freescooter doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing. He is undertaking a systematic effort to troll the boneyard. He knows his characterization of Herbst is demonstrably false, but he keeps going at it to rile everybody up.
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his view is as supported as the opposite...there is no evidence supporting either, except for the one basic fact that we outwardly embrace the AAC with enthusiasm.
 
J187Money said:
Have you ever talked to her about this? I have. A number of times. Usually at sporting events, strangely enough.

Even if she only cares because donors care and she wants their money; she cares.
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And she probably can't remember a word you said - that's part of her job to humor you.
 
Chief00 said:
And she probably nothing remember a word you said - that's part of her job to humor you.
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I don't know...she remembered my wife and said hi to her in Bridgeport...and they met standing in line for the rest room at the XL Center. Have you happened to read any of her quotes related to Benedict's hiring? For someone who cares so little about athletics as you say, she sure doesn't sound like that.
 
Chief, your sources are bull. You are simply bitter that Herbst revoked your all-access pass to athletic facilities once Calhoun and Blaney retired and your connections to the program dried up.
 
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