OT-Is Brady hurt?

[mauconnfan]

You should probably take that up with Phil Simms. Go watch the replay. The RB was in position to catch the ball, but pulled up instead because he would have been hammered on the play, much like a receiver that pulls up on a route over the middle.

I never said they "caused" the fumble. But the defensive pressure led to the play as it happened.

Not really but nonetheless he had plenty of time to pick up the ball as nay smart player would have done am I right? It was his if he was thinking at all.

 

[mauconnfan]

Yup, that's a Yankee fan for you.

This may be the funniest of all posts in this thread, coming from you? Hahaha, Mr Yankee hater himself with blinders like no other Sox/Pats fan. Hilarious Waq thanks for the laugh you are free entertainment.

 

[Jerry1714]

This may be the funniest of all posts in this thread, coming from you? Hahaha, Mr Yankee hater himself with blinders like no other Sox/Pats fan. Hilarious Waq thanks for the laugh you are free entertainment.

The same people who get sad about those who root against the Pats, will jump in an anti-duke or anti-uk thread to celebrate their losing or down season. comical

 

[intlzncster]

Derek Wolfe is an beast, remember him from Cincy.

Really, they all are on that line. And they all played to their utmost potential. Good on em.

 

[intlzncster]

Not really but nonetheless he had plenty of time to pick up the ball as nay smart player would have done am I right? It was his if he was thinking at all.

Perhaps. He might have had a little time, but he likely would have been drilled (or have the ball knocked away in collision) before he got the ball, as Freeny was all over him. And there were three patriots around the play and no other Broncos.

Also, the ball was so close to being a forward pass, that it was easy to think it was a drop. A mental mistake to be sure, as you should always play til the ball is dead. But it was more likely than not going to be Pats ball imo.

 

[superjohn]

Yup, that's a Yankee fan for you.

What does this comment even mean?

 

[upstater]

While the likes of superjohn and the others think Patriots fans are defensive or whatever, this is the level of stupidity and hate the Patriots constantly have to hear:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...new-england-patriots-denver-broncos/79283244/

He admitted that the Patriots’ decision to take the ball instead of deferring after winning the opening coin toss had given the Broncos extra motivational ammunition.

“Without a doubt,” Stewart said. “That was disrespectful. We knew that going in we felt disrespected. We knew what we had to get done, we wanted to play this game two days ago. We had the fire.

“Our reaction was just like ‘really? Ok.’ That’s the way we were. You can get riled up for these games.”

LOL!!!

 

[mauconnfan]

Perhaps. He might have had a little time, but he likely would have been drilled (or have the ball knocked away in collision) before he got the ball, as Freeny was all over him. And there were three patriots around the play and no other Broncos.

Also, the ball was so close to being a forward pass, that it was easy to think it was a drop. A mental mistake to be sure, as you should always play til the ball is dead. But it was more likely than not going to be Pats ball imo.

Wrong please watch it and tell me without the blinders, it was HIS if he reacted as he should. Would've been in it and with possession before he got "drilled" I promise.

 

[mauconnfan]

While the likes of superjohn and the others think Patriots fans are defensive or whatever, this is the level of stupidity and hate the Patriots constantly have to hear:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...new-england-patriots-denver-broncos/79283244/



LOL!!!

Please upstater read this thread and let me know what's NOT defensive about it? And by the way that's okay I have no issue we are all defensive about our teams, just some don't whine as much as others.

 

[upstater]

Please upstater read this thread and let me know what's NOT defensive about it? And by the way that's okay I have no issue we are all defensive about our teams, just some don't whine as much as others.

As I wrote, as Patriots fans, we either have to laugh at the nuttiness, or talk back. One or the other. It's insane the amount of stupidity we have to deal with. I mean, electing to receive now is suddenly arrogant!!! Winning the tip off is arrogant. Winning the faceoff is arrogant!

 

[mauconnfan]

As I wrote, as Patriots fans, we either have to laugh at the nuttiness, or talk back. One or the other. It's insane the amount of stupidity we have to deal with. I mean, electing to receive now is suddenly arrogant!!! Winning the tip off is arrogant. Winning the faceoff is arrogant!

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Wow just Wow. Says it all thank you

 

[superjohn]

As I wrote, as Patriots fans, we either have to laugh at the nuttiness, or talk back. One or the other. It's insane the amount of stupidity we have to deal with. I mean, electing to receive now is suddenly arrogant!!! Winning the tip off is arrogant. Winning the faceoff is arrogant!

You have to deal with a player on an opposing defense revealing something that fired him and his defense up? Are you even serious with this?

 

[intlzncster]

Wrong please watch it and tell me without the blinders, it was HIS if he reacted as he should. Would've been in it and with possession before he got "drilled" I promise.

Blinders or which team it is means nothing to me. I just went and watched it 4 times before I posted. Falling on the ball both quickly and cleanly isn't all that easy. Freeny slowed up when he came at the RB. And it's not like the RB is going to be able to fall on it instantaneously (thinking/doing that fast isn't likely)*. And usually, the ball squirts around or isnt quite in control, so he was going to get pasted. Odds of the ball coming out are high. Given the difficulty in recovering a football in general, you can't 'promise' anything.

*I maintain that the first initial reaction of damn near any player in that position is 'duckck, I dropped the pass.' The recognition it went backwards probably wouldn't light up until after a delay. imo

 

[mauconnfan]

Blinders or which team it is means nothing to me. I just went and watched it 4 times before I posted. Falling on the ball both quickly and cleanly isn't all that easy. Freeny slowed up when he came at the RB. And it's not like the RB is going to be able to fall on it instantaneously (thinking/doing that fast isn't likely)*. And usually, the ball squirts around or isnt quite in control, so he was going to get pasted. Odds of the ball coming out are high. Given the difficulty in recovering a football in general, you can't 'promise' anything.

*I maintain that the first initial reaction of damn near any player in that position is 'duckck, I dropped the pass.' The recognition it went backwards probably wouldn't light up until after a delay. imo

I get not easy but it was his had he fallen on it. If he missed it then that's another thing but he walked away and that's just plain awful.

 

[upstater]

You have to deal with a player on an opposing defense revealing something that fired him and his defense up? Are you even serious with this?

You think it is any different than the crap you say? No. It's the same nonsense you spout on here day after day. No worse.

 

[mauconnfan]

All in fun:

 

[RayRay19]

Brady has more rings than both Manning brothers combined...just saying haha

 

[mauconnfan]

Brady has more rings than both Manning brothers combined...just saying haha

But not in head-to-head games vs Eli...just sayin' hehe

 

[upstater]

But not in head-to-head games vs Eli...just sayin' hehe

Eli, yes. Not Peyton.

 

[intlzncster]

But not in head-to-head games vs Eli...just sayin' hehe

Yeah, but would you rather win just head to head or overall? I'm taking overall every time!

I prefer the: "Brady has more rings than the entire Manning family combined" (Peyton/Eli/Archie).

 

[mauconnfan]

Yeah, but would you rather win just head to head or overall? I'm taking overall every time!

I prefer the: "Brady has more rings than the entire Manning family combined" (Peyton/Eli/Archie).

I could care less about Peyton so I will take my 2 head on thanks

 

[intlzncster]

I could care less about Peyton so I will take my 2 head on thanks

To Eli's credit, he makes the Top 10:

Ranking 50 greatest players in Super Bowl history: Nos. 10-1

10.Steve Young
9. Kurt Warner
8. Eli Manning

Manning is a combined 49-of-74 (66.2 percent) for 551 yards, three touchdowns and one interception in his two Super Bowls -- both victories over the Patriots. But those victories will be best remembered for two indelible throws: the one David Tyree caught on his helmet to keep a fourth-quarter drive alive against the unbeaten Patriots in XLII, and the brilliant, toe-tapping, sideline catch by Mario Manningham in the fourth quarter of XLVI. Manning's game-winning drive in XLII started with 2:39 left and the Giants down 14-10. His game-winning drive in XLVI began with 3:46 left and the Giants down 17-15. Even if he never plays in another Super Bowl, Eli Manning goes down as one of the most clutch quarterbacks in Super Bowl history.​

7. Terry Bradshaw
6. John Elway
5. Emmitt Smith
4. Jerry Rice
3. Joe Montana
2. Troy Aikman
1. Tom Brady

When asked which Super Bowl ring is his favorite, Tom Brady's response is always the same: "The next one." Brady's relentless pursuit of the "next one," which is a yearlong endeavor in which he shapes his eating habits and sleep patterns around being at his best on the football field, is as strong as ever at the age of 38. Brady is only the third quarterback in NFL history to lead his team to four Super Bowl wins, joining his boyhood idol Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw, and he's a three-time Super Bowl MVP, which matches Montana for the most ever. Brady is also the all-time leader in Super Bowl passing yards (1,605), touchdown passes (13) and starts (six). What makes Brady rise up on the biggest stage of professional football? "I think his consistency," said Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, who has worked directly with Brady for nine seasons. "Even though these games have a finality to them that some games in the regular season or preseason don't have, he approaches it the same way." And there is no end in sight. Brady hopes to play well into his 40s and at this point hasn't shown much, if any, signs of decline. ​

 

[intlzncster]

Denver outplayed the hell out of New England. New England still had a shot despite being outplayed, and it would have been an OT game if Gostowski hits a PAT.

By the way, you don't think it's a bad break that Gostkowski missed an XP? A guy who missed his second XP of his career? A guy who hasn't missed since 2006? A guy with an NFL record that will never ever be broken? The odds of Gost missing yesterday were infinitesmal. That is a bad break.

Thought this was an interesting analysis. Not perfect, interesting:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...-than-stephen-gostkowskis-missed-extra-point/

 

[August_West]

I realize this thread is about the Patriots, maybe I can offer some insight.

I am in outside sales, which is currently salary+commission, but will move into straight commission starting at the beginning of July 2010. I have been in this position since July 2009. I have competition from several direct manufacturing sales reps, large distributors, and local distributors. Here are the advantages and disadvantages of each:

Direct Advantages: Immediate knowledge of new technology, no middle man mark up, one shipping bill (paid by manufacturer or buyer of goods), access to larger range of non-commodity items, control inventory, have access to many distributors that can effectively sell their goods which increases market share, and set prices of commodity they manufacture.

Direct disadvantages: Typically have 1-3 sales reps per region (i.e. southeast, mid-atlantic, northeast, etc.) limiting the number of accounts they can successfully manage/cold-call, lack physical customer service or physical technical service available to or affordable for smaller users or altogether, are sometimes not trustworthy because they will go in behind their distributors that sell their commodity to one account in large quantities (i.e. they missed a big account, and have found out about it through a distributor selling their particular product) which leads to the distributor not selling their product anymore, have too many distributors selling the product ultimately driving the set price down through deviations, possibly rely on distributors to actually sell the product, and competition from other direct sources.

Large distributor advantages: have access to other commodities that go hand in hand with other manufacturers (poor example- grocery stores sell milk as well as cereal), get direct pricing, many locations regionally or nationally easing the shipping burden of buyers with multiple locations, personal service either customer or technical, many sales reps that are able to cover a broader territory, access to multiple manufacturers of the same commodity allowing to keep prices in check, service programs that smaller companies can't offer and direct providers can't match in price or value, and experts of many many commodities as opposed to one or a few.

Large distributor disadvantages: smaller local distributors creating price wars (think Michael Scott Paper Co vs Dunder-Mifflin), direct mfg's going in behind and stealing business, limited access to all of the mfg's (you won't find Harris Teeter name brands in Food Lion and visa versa), can't truly set prices because it's based on both supply and demand, territory management, and tough growth prospects in slower economies (this is true for direct as well really)

Local distributor advantages: Typically a good ol' boy setting where the seller and the buyer know each other for years (this does happen at all levels, but mostly at the local level), local folks are right down the street and can be used in emergencies, if the local guy buys at high enough volumes then there is no shipping charge to the end user, and access to both direct mfg's and large distributors.

Local distributor disadvantages: easily beaten in price, array of commodities, array of technology, lack of trained staff, low cash flow, etc etc etc.

This is what I have noticed in my six months, I am sure there are plenty more that need mentioning. The way I am setting myself apart as a sales person is this: I go after the big accounts right now while I am new. The big accounts, if I land them, will take care of me while I am new and building a customer base. The money made off of those allows me to focus free time on smaller accounts that get me higher margins. I build up big accounts, I would like to have 5-10 of these, then get 20-30 medium accounts. If I lose 1 or 2 big accounts, the 20-30 medium accounts keep me afloat while I go after new big accounts. I don't really waste time on small accounts simply because they basically pay for breakfast or something really small.

I will say this, if you can't get a big account in the first 6-8 months (assuming you have cash flow that you can ride this long) you could be in a world of trouble. If you can get one, it will really make going after the others a lot more enjoyable and less stressful. It's simply just very exhausting wasting any time on anything other than big accounts in the very beginning. You work just as hard on the medium sized accounts and see 1/3 to 1/36 of the money in my situation.

If you have any other questions, you can PM me. I hope this helps in the slightest!

 

[intlzncster]

I realize this thread is about the Patriots, maybe I can offer some insight.

I am in outside sales, which is currently salary+commission, but will move into straight commission starting at the beginning of July 2010. I have been in this position since July 2009. I have competition from several direct manufacturing sales reps, large distributors, and local distributors. Here are the advantages and disadvantages of each:

Direct Advantages: Immediate knowledge of new technology, no middle man mark up, one shipping bill (paid by manufacturer or buyer of goods), access to larger range of non-commodity items, control inventory, have access to many distributors that can effectively sell their goods which increases market share, and set prices of commodity they manufacture.

Direct disadvantages: Typically have 1-3 sales reps per region (i.e. southeast, mid-atlantic, northeast, etc.) limiting the number of accounts they can successfully manage/cold-call, lack physical customer service or physical technical service available to or affordable for smaller users or altogether, are sometimes not trustworthy because they will go in behind their distributors that sell their commodity to one account in large quantities (i.e. they missed a big account, and have found out about it through a distributor selling their particular product) which leads to the distributor not selling their product anymore, have too many distributors selling the product ultimately driving the set price down through deviations, possibly rely on distributors to actually sell the product, and competition from other direct sources.

Large distributor advantages: have access to other commodities that go hand in hand with other manufacturers (poor example- grocery stores sell milk as well as cereal), get direct pricing, many locations regionally or nationally easing the shipping burden of buyers with multiple locations, personal service either customer or technical, many sales reps that are able to cover a broader territory, access to multiple manufacturers of the same commodity allowing to keep prices in check, service programs that smaller companies can't offer and direct providers can't match in price or value, and experts of many many commodities as opposed to one or a few.

Large distributor disadvantages: smaller local distributors creating price wars (think Michael Scott Paper Co vs Dunder-Mifflin), direct mfg's going in behind and stealing business, limited access to all of the mfg's (you won't find Harris Teeter name brands in Food Lion and visa versa), can't truly set prices because it's based on both supply and demand, territory management, and tough growth prospects in slower economies (this is true for direct as well really)

Local distributor advantages: Typically a good ol' boy setting where the seller and the buyer know each other for years (this does happen at all levels, but mostly at the local level), local folks are right down the street and can be used in emergencies, if the local guy buys at high enough volumes then there is no shipping charge to the end user, and access to both direct mfg's and large distributors.

Local distributor disadvantages: easily beaten in price, array of commodities, array of technology, lack of trained staff, low cash flow, etc etc etc.

This is what I have noticed in my six months, I am sure there are plenty more that need mentioning. The way I am setting myself apart as a sales person is this: I go after the big accounts right now while I am new. The big accounts, if I land them, will take care of me while I am new and building a customer base. The money made off of those allows me to focus free time on smaller accounts that get me higher margins. I build up big accounts, I would like to have 5-10 of these, then get 20-30 medium accounts. If I lose 1 or 2 big accounts, the 20-30 medium accounts keep me afloat while I go after new big accounts. I don't really waste time on small accounts simply because they basically pay for breakfast or something really small.

I will say this, if you can't get a big account in the first 6-8 months (assuming you have cash flow that you can ride this long) you could be in a world of trouble. If you can get one, it will really make going after the others a lot more enjoyable and less stressful. It's simply just very exhausting wasting any time on anything other than big accounts in the very beginning. You work just as hard on the medium sized accounts and see 1/3 to 1/36 of the money in my situation.

If you have any other questions, you can PM me. I hope this helps in the slightest!

I thought you were in IT.