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I remember weirdly rooting really hard for Syracuse to win the '96 title against Kentucky. When did the hate start? Not sure. And maybe the hardest I rooted for any non-UConn team was BC and Billy Curley when they took out Carolina -- '92, maybe? I suppose this makes me a bad UConn fan.
To answer the question, I think Duke-Butler is a good one. That was a really underwhelming Duke team, hard to believe they went all the way.
 
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The Gordon Hayward shot in Dook-Butler is an excellent choice on a number of levels.

1) Deprives Dook of another title and further removes luster from their generally pedestrian Tournament performances over the last 12 years; arguably elevates us above them, at least in the discussion of most successful programs over the last 20 years
2) Elevates Butler's stature and, by extension, gives additional credence to our championship in 2011 -- we're taking down the defending champs and denying them a back-to-back!
3) Gives the college basketball world an indescribably epic moment
 
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Inyatkin said:
I remember weirdly rooting really hard for Syracuse to win the '96 title against Kentucky. When did the hate start? Not sure. And maybe the hardest I rooted for any non-UConn team was BC and Billy Curley when they took out Carolina -- '92, maybe? I suppose this makes me a bad UConn fan. To answer the question, I think Duke-Butler is a good one. That was a really underwhelming Duke team, hard to believe they went all the way.

Nah - things evolve. I was actually rooting for Calipari's UMass team in 1993 when they tried to upset Kentucky. He got called for a bs tech late in the game and I remember being angry at the call. The rivalry hadn't started yet (at least in my lifetime) and I didn't think of them as a territorial rival - just another team from the area trying to pull an upset (a la Fairfield). When URI almost made the FF, I looked at it differently - I sure as sin didn't want them to get a FF before we did, even though I had nothing against hem. And Duke was my first choice as a college applicant (in the late 80's). So had I gotten my way, I would have been there, for, well, you know. Chrissy would have even been my classmate. Be careful what you wish for, huh?

Meanwhile, Cuse fans probably thought we were a cute little NIT champion in 1988, helping the Big East look a little better. Little did they know we were just revving up our engines at that point to totally lap them, as pluckily as their engines have sputtered along ever since.
 

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I remember weirdly rooting really hard for Syracuse to win the '96 title against Kentucky. When did the hate start? Not sure. And maybe the hardest I rooted for any non-UConn team was BC and Billy Curley when they took out Carolina -- '92, maybe? I suppose this makes me a bad UConn fan.
To answer the question, I think Duke-Butler is a good one. That was a really underwhelming Duke team, hard to believe they went all the way.

I really enjoy these types of discussions, it's cool thinking about this stuff. I have to really think about the question, just wanted to quote you, this is oddly very similar to me, and I've never thought about it.
I def remember rooting for Cuse in '96, I actually really liked them. I was a new UConn fan, so I didn't understand the rivalry aspects yet. But that's really interesting to me. Now I hate that program more than most, right there w UK and Duke.
 

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As for the question, the answer def changes depending if this is a "totally unrelated to UConn" or "can tangentially affect UConn."

Totally unrelated: prob UK in '12 is my first thought, I hate Cal that much.

UConn relation: I'd say Ray's teams were some of my favs, so if UCLA got greased by mizzou, that would have been great. Always felt bad for Ray and that group. Then again, '99 et al wouldn't have felt as sweet I bet. Certain games in '02, '06 and '09 drive me nuts too, I loved those teams and a few breaks or different matchups, they all could have won it or at least made amazingly entertaining championship games ('06 us vs. Fla if I'm not mistaken, '09 us vs. UNC would have been great, 2 best teams all year).
 

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Oddball here - #16 Princeton gets an obvious foul called down 1 against #1 Georgetown in 1989.
 

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I remember weirdly rooting really hard for Syracuse to win the '96 title against Kentucky. When did the hate start? Not sure. And maybe the hardest I rooted for any non-UConn team was BC and Billy Curley when they took out Carolina -- '92, maybe? I suppose this makes me a bad UConn fan.
I don't think so. I always root for my conference mates in OOC games as well as in the tourney. I always thought the better they did the better it made the conference look. Those same teams I once rooted for are now, of course, dead to me. I was even rooting for SMU in the NIT this year. I didn't watch the game, but was hoping they'd pull it off.
 
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Non-UCONN related
-Butler v. DOOK---Would have been phenomenal to see a mid major beat a P5 team for the title.
-DOOK losing to Hampton in the 1 v. 16 matchup in 2011 because we all know that DOOK loses first round games like a fat person likes cake.

UCONN Related
-UCONN beating MSU in '09 in the FF to get to the championship. I really think UCONN would have beat UNC that year if they just got to that game.
 
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I really enjoy these types of discussions, it's cool thinking about this stuff. I have to really think about the question, just wanted to quote you, this is oddly very similar to me, and I've never thought about it.
I def remember rooting for Cuse in '96, I actually really liked them. I was a new UConn fan, so I didn't understand the rivalry aspects yet. But that's really interesting to me. Now I hate that program more than most, right there w UK and Duke.

I was in 7th grade in 1996, and that was the first year I filled out a bracket. I remember predicting an all-Big East Final Four, with us beating Georgetown in the final (Cuse and Nova being the other two). I was definitely rooting for Syracuse to beat Kentucky in the final. With Cuse in the ACC, they can go f!#@ themselves, but I always pulled for the Big East in the tournament.
 

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The biggest thing about Syracuse in 96 is it had been ages since the Big East had a Final Four team. I believe it was the first conference team that decade to make it that far. And John Wallace was just possessed that year. They were easy to root for.
 
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UNLV s~odomizing Duke two years in a row.
 
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I know you said that it can't be a game involving UConn......but I sure would have liked to see Donyell hit those free throws against Florida.....
 
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I'd have to agree with many on this board

Non Uconn Related:
Cuse losing the Championship Game
Kentucky losing the 2012 Championship game
Duke losing to Butler in the 2010 Championship game

Uconn related:
95 - Mizzo stopping Edny on that last second drive
06 - Witchita State beating George Mason in the Sweet 16
09 - Louisville not choking against Michigan State

Especially the 2009 team due to the fact that we already CRUSHED LOUISVILLE in their place earlier in the year, they didn't have the size to compete versus us, and that 2009 team had some guys you could really pull for to win (AJ, Hasheem, Stanley, and Adrien).

UCONN vs Carolina would have been a great matchup, where Thabeet would have owned Hansborough, Kemba would have been a star off the bench, and Green would have been outmatched athletically versus Robinson.

We would have handed North Carolina a sound beating in the Championship game that year. I always felt the championship was lost that year when Jerome went down.
 

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ND over UCLA to break the streak at 88.

Didn't like the Irish 40 years ago, and still don't.
 
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Donyell makes a FT, we beat Florida and head to our first final 4.
 
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Marcus White doesn't get his shot stuck between the backboard and rim and Uconn pulls it out in 2003. It woulda been nice to play against MSU for the right to beat Cuse for the 3rd time and take away their only title*

*I don't know who Helms is, but really who cares.

Also, how did a 5 loss team from the Big East only get a 3 seed? We got a 3 seed in 11 with like 9 losses.

On edit: I clearly didn't read the rules about it being a non Uconn game. Given that, I'd say the half court buzzer beater going in for Butler against Dook.
 
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Marcus White doesn't get his shot stuck between the backboard and rim and Uconn pulls it out in 2003. It woulda been nice to play against MSU for the right to beat Cuse for the 3rd time and take away their only title* *I don't know who Helms is, but really who cares. Also, how did a 5 loss team from the Big East only get a 3 seed? We got a 3 seed in 11 with like 9 losses.

Francisco "Frank" Helms was a childhood friend of James Naismith and a mathematician by trade. He was somewhat of a legendary figure in math circles from the first half of the 20th century. He was a reclusive character, so much so that people often called him "the J.D. Salinger of math", a comparison which would often make him bristle. "Salinger is in preschool, for cripe's sake," he was once overheard saying. "Catcher In The Rye won't even come out for 30 more years."

This was an era before TV, radio, telephones, and consistent newspaper coverage, so when Helms developed an interest in following Naismith's fledgling sport of college basketball from a distance, he had a difficult time finding out results. After several years of frustration, he decided to pay couriers to relay scores to him by horseback to his home in the Adirondack Mountains (math was a much more lucrative field back then, and couriers were cheap). As all these scores came in, his mathematical mind started to study the numbers. Long before Vegas was a twinkle in Bugsy Siegel's eye, Helms would compile the data and figure out mathematical trends, handicap future games and pick winners. He became such an expert and so confident in his knowledge that he would wager large sums of his personal fortune on his predictions. Usually he bet against local squirrels, since fellow gamblers were hard to find back then, especially for a recluse. He was also slowly, as we now know, becoming insane.

After many years of studying all this basketball data with very little practical use for it, and with his mental faculties gradually fading, Helms decided to put all of the results from each season into a spreadsheet, which back then was some columns drawn into a patch of dirt with a stick. Fortunately, there was a lot of dirt in the Adirondacks. I say fortunately, since doing all of the math on his new project helped exercise his mind and was probably the one thing that stopped him from descending completely into madness. Despite fighting his demons, Helms was detailed in his work - he would chart which 20 teams his data showed were the best from that season, including the one with the most dirt scratches of all, a team which he declared the "Helms Champion", since he actually had a pretty sizable ego for a reclusive half-sane mathematician. He would have his couriers deliver his rankings to every school, most of which by then had real newspapers and ignored him as just being a kook. But a few schools kept copies of the strange pronouncements delivered to them on horseback for sh!ts and giggles. They'd have a good laugh, file it away in a drawer, and say "who made this guy an expert on anything?" Years later, though, collegiate researchers would stumble on many of these old files, and some places, with lots of vacant space in the rafters where things like banners might go, declared that these Helms Championships were actually a real thing (remember that the next time you think nobody is reading your blog).

Much like Vincent Van Gogh, another tortured artist, Helms sadly wasn't around to see the fruits of his labor accepted by the public. The Great Depression resulted in the end of the math cash cow, and he could no longer afford his couriers, who could no longer afford their horses anyway. An elderly, senile and destitute Helms disappeared into the Adirondack wilderness, mumbling something about why that Boeheim kid always seemed to be picking his nose, and was never heard from again. His name lives on, though - both in banners in the Carrier Dome and even in modern lingo. Back then, when someone made a blunt statement as a self-proclaimed expert on a topic, folks who knew him would often mock him by saying "to be Frank, I think that..." Somehow, that stuck. Another little Frank Helms contribution many folks don't realize.
 
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Wouldn't change anything as changing a result might change the course of history and history has been good for us. Basically what I am getting at is one change in result could possibly make the dominoes fall in a totally different way. A recruit picking a different school for example and all all the permutations that could happen as a result.
 
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Call me crazy, but I actually would of liked to see D Rose and Memphis beat Kansas back in 08, even though the title would have probably been stripped later
 
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Call me crazy, but I actually would of liked to see D Rose and Memphis beat Kansas back in 08, even though the title would have probably been stripped later

I'd have liked to see Davidson beat Kansas on that last second three and then win it, but I guess that would be changing 3 results.
 

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I'd say Butler-Duke in 2010.

But if that's too obvious, then I'd probably rather have seen Loyola Marymount beat UNLV in the 1990 regional final.
 
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Call me crazy, but I actually would of liked to see D Rose and Memphis beat Kansas back in 08, even though the title would have probably been stripped later
This is my pick bc the squid's first championship would have gotten wiped and the ncaa would have been left to choke on the whole thing. Kansas still gets the rings and maybe ncaa regs get changed for the better a little quicker than the typical glacial pace.
 
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I would change the loss to George Mason to a win and go to the Final Four.

I think if we win the title in 2006, JC would have built a dynasty.
 
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