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So what's left? The notion that "400 years" of slavery have caused some sort of what? Economic divide? Nah. There are many more poor white people in America than poor black people. That can't be it. Then what?

Culture? Ahah! Is that what you're suggesting? That 400 years of slavery have created a lasting cultural impact that causes black failure?

But, if that's the case, then 40 years of AA have not solved the problem. In fact, black culture since 1950 has taken a tremendously destructive turn for the worse.

So what exactly is your argument? How, exactly, have 400 years of slavery led to the horrific condition of blacks in this country? And, given that the first 40 years of AA have been a miserable failure, why is it that you expect another 40 years to produce a different result?
Read: war on drugs, ghetto-ization of Northern cities.

Government uses AA to look like they care about minorities but purposely do nothing about the above, which ends up allowing them to perpetually keep the poor behind the more well-off classes. As big a problem America still has with racism, it is no longer a politically viable way to control people, so now they use a kind of class-ism. How do you think black people found themselves in those lower classes?
 
Ugh Hmm, where does Geno fit in with all of this?

Classic railroaded thread.
 
tough to tell whether this place is the boneyard or stormfront sometimes, probably why I find myself coming here less and less each day.
 
Government uses AA to look like they care about minorities but purposely do nothing about the above,
I'm not sure the concept of "government" can be parlayed into a self-perpetuating entity that has it out for minorities. As far as I can tell, governments are coming apart at the seams in Europe and the U.S. because they can't balance a check book; it's difficult for me to see how governments could conspire on such a broad issue.

I believe that racism in particular, and xenophobia in general, is a very unfortunate part of being human. It's extremely difficult for any individual to overcome the natural tendency to hate that which is different, be it race, religion, and so on.
I don't see the battle as you seem to, with historical effects perpetuating to today.
I see it as a battle against ugly human nature. People have hated others forever, transcending culture, society, and time.

That is, I suppose, our difference. I don't think you can ever eliminate or even substantially curtail racism with govt. programs. You may believe differently.

Trayvon Martin is a good example. If you polled black people and white people on that issue, you'd get wildly different results. The only explanation is racisim - blacks will tend to support TM and whites (hispanics) will tend to support the shooter. That's regardless of the facts. That's why OJ walked. You can't change that with laws or cultural change.

So I don't view this is a historical problem that can be "fixed" with time and cultural change. I view it as a biological problem that can't be fixed but that can be reduced in the severity of its effect through law. Mainly laws that insist on equality under the law.
 
I don't understand why the word affirmative action was ever brought up. From my understanding (based off reading one article) the lady is a lawyer and a former NYPD narcotics officer and was hired to work in security. Not exactly lacking in credentials...

I don't find any racism in pointing out flaws with AA but do with immediately assuming AA was the reason behind a hiring.
 
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If two men walk in for a job in 2012 and they're the same candidate except for skin color, all that is going to affect the choice is racism. Not history.

The problem is that you don't understand the connection between our history and our cultural racism. It's a systemic problem. It's the same reason black people are pulled over more for the same crimes, searched more often, convicted more frequently. It's the same reason death penalty cases are more likely when a white victim is involved.

These are enormous, systemic problems that aren't solved by having a black President or just saying, "Hey, it's already illegal to not hire based on race, what's the problem here?"
 
I think one could argue that a black kid growing up in Harlem in 1950 had it better in many ways than a black kid growing up there today.

And today's winner for "Comment clearly made by someone not growing up in Harlem in the 50's" is... YOU! Congrats!
 
My big problem with this story is that the "security expert" waited 3 years to come forward with a complaint. REALLY??? That's what made all of my BS alarms go off!
 
I have no problem with people thinking she's full of shit. A lot of human beings are. But when we start throwing around terms like gold digger or accusing people of playing a race card when we don't know anything, we're just being pricks, period. There's gotta be a middle ground.
 
I can't decide what I care about less.

1) The allegations of the UConn womens basketball coach sexually harrassing someone or
2) Uconn womens basketball
 
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And today's winner for "Comment clearly made by someone not growing up in Harlem in the 50's" is... YOU! Congrats!
Don't hurt yourself getting up on that pedestal Mr. self-righteous. How's that self-loathing working out for you? Apparently not well. The reason why people were anticipating the race card being used is not just because she is black. It is because she set a precedent and trend by using the gender card and the sexual harassment card. The race card was the next logical step. Now, if it were common knowledge that she were a lesbian then maybe people would also be expecting her to pull the sexuality card too. You see, she has established a trend of pulling cards like these and displaying reason to question her credibility. So nice try on your part to pull the racism card.

Did you grow up in Harlem in the 50s? If not, how do you know what it was like? Ever talk to anyone that was in Harlem in the 50s? I'll ask you the same question I asked another poster, what's your opinion of Bill Cosby and his very publicly stated opinions on this subject?
 
In fact I didn't. It was more a question of not writing an essay.

A poor black man and a poor Italian immigrant walk in for a job in 1955. The problem the black guy has is not the previous 400 years. The problem he has is that his skin is black and most white people in that day were racists. He's as qualified (if not more) than the Italian who doesn't speak English. The problem is that the boss doesn't want to hire a black guy.

The problem that I have with your logic, and those who present your argument, is that you say things like 400 year head start, but you don't say exactly what that means in terms of the here and now.

If two men walk in for a job in 2012 and they're the same candidate except for skin color, all that is going to affect the choice is racism. Not history.

So the 400 number is thrown around as if to imply that we need a few hundred more years of affirmative action racism to make it all equal.

But that argument suggests something that isn't true - that the Italian immigrant somehow has some sort of accrued benefit that the black man doesn't. Nonsense. He has only his skin color.

The solution to that is to pass laws that make it illegal to hire based on race. Those laws exist.

So what's left? The notion that "400 years" of slavery have caused some sort of what? Economic divide? Nah. There are many more poor white people in America than poor black people. That can't be it. Then what?

Culture? Ahah! Is that what you're suggesting? That 400 years of slavery have created a lasting cultural impact that causes black failure?

But, if that's the case, then 40 years of AA have not solved the problem. In fact, black culture since 1950 has taken a tremendously destructive turn for the worse.

So what exactly is your argument? How, exactly, have 400 years of slavery led to the horrific condition of blacks in this country? And, given that the first 40 years of AA have been a miserable failure, why is it that you expect another 40 years to produce a different result?

I love MLK - a true intellectual giant in American history. But I'll offer a quote from another ethnic minority for you - "to do the same thing repeatedly and expect a different result is the definition of stupidity."

Ultimately, I believe welfare and AA are incredibly destructive. The information we have from the last 40 years surely supports that.

Wow.
I have no intention of perpetuating this debate much further, this is (was?) after all a thread about HCGA .
The amount of wishful thinking reflected in your post speaks volumes. To suggest that because now there's legislation to counter racism, and somehow that SHOULD be sufficient is once again, a very simplistic approach to a complex problem. Not to mention the why/how there was ever a NEED for such laws, and what the human cost was to finally have them enacted.
Its like seeing a homeless person and telling them to "get a job", without having any clue as to why/how they ended up where they are. I have a friend who looks at want-ads & wonders why "those people" can't find work. His conclusion is the simplistic one...they must be "lazy". Right, all neat & wrapped in a bow.
If the world was as uncomplicated as you seem to think it is, we would all be in a much better place. Unfortunately, that is simply not the case. There's alot of gray in the black and white prism that you seem to have enacted for yourself.
Peace.
 
Ugh Hmm, where does Geno fit in with all of this?

Classic railroaded thread.

Sorry for my part in this. But sometimes you just have to respond, lest some ridiculousness goes unchallenged.
 
If you really dont think that a white immigrant in the fifties had a leg up on every African-American alive, then I dont know what to tell you.

I think the real problem us that youre implying this woman didn't work just as hard to get her job. You dont know that.

But you seem more than ready to assume that.

I wonder why that is.
FYI, its not the 50s anymore.
 
Wow.
I have no intention of perpetuating this debate much further, this is (was?) after all a thread about HCGA .
The amount of wishful thinking reflected in your post speaks volumes. To suggest that because now there's legislation to counter racism, and somehow that SHOULD be sufficient is once again, a very simplistic approach to a complex problem. Not to mention the why/how there was ever a NEED for such laws, and what the human cost was to finally have them enacted.
Its like seeing a homeless person and telling them to "get a job", without having any clue as to why/how they ended up where they are. I have a friend who looks at want-ads & wonders why "those people" can't find work. His conclusion is the simplistic one...they must be "lazy". Right, all neat & wrapped in a bow.
If the world was as uncomplicated as you seem to think it is, we would all be in a much better place. Unfortunately, that is simply not the case. There's alot of gray in the black and white prism that you seem to have enacted for yourself.
Peace.
Classic case of using a lot of words but actually saying nothing. Well done.
 
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She lost her job on the USA Women's basketball security detail, that's how.
What she did was vengeful lying and slander (if Geno is innocent), not just sour grapes.
 
She lost her job on the USA Women's basketball security detail, that's how.
She did not lose her job, she is still employed by the NBA. She was reassigned, and I doubt the reassignment cost her a dime in salary.
 
Just saw her at the half guiding Wade away from the camera.


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Just saw her at the half guiding Wade away from the camera.
Hardwick never lost her job with the NBA and in fact, she's part of Stern's personal security force. Her complaint is that the NBA didn't assign her to guard WNBA players at the Olympics.
 
Hardwick never lost her job with the NBA and in fact, she's part of Stern's personal security force. Her complaint is that the NBA didn't assign her to guard WNBA players at the Olympics.

No loss in pay. Still holding a prominent position. Does she have any damages? Does this thing survive summary judgement?
 
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