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So I went blind like 10 posts ago because it seems I'm reading a bunch of BC fans defend playing Holy Cross in football.

I could go to Keney Park on any Sunday in the fall and put together a team that could give Holy Cross a game.

Seriously BC fans have some self-respect. Your school is hard up for easy wins... Maybe sit it out on the internet message boards and everyone will forget in a few days.
 
Why aren't teams like Cuse, BC, PSU, and Miami interested in playing UCONN? That's the question you have to ask.
Easy. They know that if they give UConn the opportunity to beat them on the football field, it makes UConn more attractive to the recruits that those schools are vying for, outside Miami, thus putting UConn in a better position. It's the same stupid, self-righteous thinking for why Syracuse and BC will ALWAYS vote against UConn coming into the ACC should they look to expand again.
 
Easy. They know that if they give UConn the opportunity to beat them on the football field, it makes UConn more attractive to the recruits that those schools are vying for, outside Miami, thus putting UConn in a better position. It's the same stupid, self-righteous thinking for why Syracuse and BC will ALWAYS vote against UConn coming into the ACC should they look to expand again.
You are spot on my friend! Their decision to not play us, and to vote against us, is motivated by FEAR and not residual bitterness. They'll never admit that, but because they have everything to lose by playing us...and losing to us...they'll do everything they can to avoid us, while instead taking on the likes of powerhouse Holy Cross.... in the name of tradition and rivalry! :rolleyes:
 
You are spot on my friend! Their decision to not play us, and to vote against us, is motivated by FEAR and not residual bitterness. They'll never admit that, but because they have everything to lose by playing us...and losing to us...they'll do everything they can to avoid us, while instead taking on the likes of powerhouse Holy Cross.... in the name of tradition and rivalry! :rolleyes:

It's the lawsuit stupid. ;)
 
You are spot on my friend! Their decision to not play us, and to vote against us, is motivated by FEAR and not residual bitterness. They'll never admit that, but because they have everything to lose by playing us...and losing to us...they'll do everything they can to avoid us, while instead taking on the likes of powerhouse Holy Cross.... in the name of tradition and rivalry! :rolleyes:

Someday soon they know they'll be our Holy Cross.
 
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Impossible...I have it on good authority from several visiting ACC posterss that the P5 schools were going be so concerned about SOS when scheduling OOC games, that they'd be scheduling tougher opponents so the top teams in their conference would have a stronger SOS to help their chances of finishing top 4 and making the 4 team playoff. ;).

Aside from that, what's the big deal about BC scheduling HC? If you're going to schedule an FCS then why wouldn't it be a local who you have some history with. HC is adding scholarships, so it now becomes an option no different than URI, Fordham, etc...
 
Impossible...I have it on good authority from several visiting ACC posterss that the P5 schools were going be so concerned about SOS when scheduling OOC games, that they'd be scheduling tougher opponents so the top teams in their conference would have a stronger SOS to help their chances of finishing top 4 and making the 4 team playoff. ;).

Aside from that, what's the big deal about BC scheduling HC? If you're going to schedule an FCS then why wouldn't it be a local who you have some history with. HC is adding scholarships, so it now becomes an option no different than URI, Fordham, etc...
If you're concerned about SOS, yet want to somehow strengthen your schedule by playing an FCS school, then why wouldn't you look to someone like New Hampshire? They could be more than just a regional rivalry, in fact could almost consider them a "local" one. They've also been quite successful at the FCS level of play. It sure would be more competitive than playing against a Holy Cross program that is just starting to offer scholarships again and actually had to make a promise to BC that they would be at a minimum scholarship level a year in advance of the game. You know why? Because if HC is not, then the game won't even count! So actually, this game sounds just right for BC. Play a team that's not strong enough to have any chance of beating you, yet offers just enough scholarships for the game to count! Perfect!
 
If you're concerned about SOS, yet want to somehow strengthen your schedule by playing an FCS school, then why wouldn't you look to someone like New Hampshire? They could be more than just a regional rivalry, in fact could almost consider them a "local" one. They've also been quite successful at the FCS level of play. It sure would be more competitive than playing against a Holy Cross program that is just starting to offer scholarships again and actually had to make a promise to BC that they would be at a minimum scholarship level a year in advance of the game. You know why? Because if HC is not, then the game won't even count! So actually, this game sounds just right for BC. Play a team that's not strong enough to have any chance of beating you, yet offers just enough scholarships for the game to count! Perfect!

Then how do you explain the fact that BC played Villanova this past season when they were #9 in the preseason FCS polls? BC played Umass in 2007 when they were coming off the 2006 FCS Championship game and finished #7 in the 2007 polls.

Look, if HC has decided to upgrade their program and bring in the number of scholarship athletes to enable the game to count for BC bowl consideration, why wouldn't BC do it? BC and HC was one of the oldest rivalries in FB. They have played 82 games against each other dating back to 1896. For decades, it was one of the premier game in New England, along with Harvard/Yale. Sure, it will never be what it once was, but with that much shared history, it is a no-brainer to schedule at least a couple of games with them as the "FCS game".
 
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There's no bigger critic of BC than me, but I don't see why BC wouldn't pick up a couple of games with HC as its seasonal FCS opponent.

That said, folks on this board had better get it through their heads that BC and Syracuse are going to do nothing to help UCONN get into the ACC or help while we're outside of the P5. NOTHING! Those athletic departments view UCONN as a major threat, and when we went to the next level in football in scared the holy crap out of them. In the case of BC in particular you are talking about a small, insular institution with zero strategic focus in athletics. Regional competition is viewed as a threat rather than an opportunity.

As for the regular host of visiting posters, I see it as nothing more than enjoying UCONN's unfortunate position in CR. Small person stuff........
 
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In the interest of correcting the record, it seems that the OP didn't bother to read what he/she attached. Neither did I, unfortunately.

The lifetime BC/HC series does not stand at 31-29-3. Rather, it stands at 48-31-3, with BC winning 17 of the last 19 game

I noted that the series record stood at 31-29-3 before HC dropped down to non-scholarship D-IAA based on the clip saying the overall series record as 48-31-3 with BC winning 17 of the last 19. Was aiming for a apples-to-apples comparison.

And yes, BC has dominated UConn historically, including the time period that UConn jumped to D-IA/FBS in 2000, 0-4-0. Though, first I would have really liked to see the 2003 game replayed with unbiased refs* and what the series would like today if UConn and BC has played from 2000 through 2013. My guess, BC would still lead the series; but, UConn would have won 2 or 3 games.

* BC was up 14 to 7 in the 2nd quarter and driving. On third down, if memory services, Orlovsky throw the ball in the end zone off the back of a BC LB who had bear-hugged the UConn TE on a crossing for at least 5 seconds in before the ball was thrown with a ref standing right there. Pass interference clear as day to everyone. But, no flag. I was close enough to hear the BC players high fiving everyone laughing about the no call. UConn misses the field goal and looses 24-14.

Regardless, BC, like UConn, needs to improve their schedules. An annual game between the two best (sorry UMass) D-1/FBS teams in New England would drive fan interest (and thus TV interest) in the region and promote college football overall in a region that needs it. UConn has indicated that it wants to renew the series for those exact reasons. BC, on the other hand, appears to want to re-start a series against a team that is likely not to be competitive with BC for the foreseeable history to what, appease alumni from the mid 1900's? UConn could do the same and play Yale again (and I might actually see the game for once instead of spending the entire time wasted in the Yale Bowl parking lot); but, it does nothing for UConn football going forward.
 
This comparison of football records is intellectually dishonest unless you are a dope. BC and UCONN played most of their football against each other while the programs were on completely different tiers. The last time they played, UCONN was in it's first year in the Big East and only its 3rd year at the D1A level. We didn't even have a full scholarship contingent.

Five years later, UCONN won its first conference championship and was every bit the football program that BC was in spite of the uncertainty surrounding the Big East. I fully expect that to continue. When UCONN ends up in either the ACC or BiG the dye will be caste and UCONN football will compare to BC football much the way the two schools compare in hoops.
 
There's no bigger critic of BC than me, but I don't see why BC wouldn't pick up a couple of games with HC as its seasonal FCS opponent.

That said, folks on this board had better get it through their heads that BC and Syracuse are going to do nothing to help UCONN get into the ACC or help while we're outside of the P5. NOTHING! Those athletic departments view UCONN as a major threat, and when we went to the next level in football in scared the holy crap out of them. In the case of BC in particular you are talking about a small, insular institution with zero strategic focus in athletics. Regional competition is viewed as a threat rather than an opportunity.

As for the regular host of visiting posters, I see it as nothing more than enjoying UCONN's unfortunate position in CR. Small person stuff...

BC and Holy Cross ( and Umass ) vs. BC has more local Boston region interest than BC playing UCONN, now of the AAC. It just does. I like College Football, live 10 miles from the BC campus and wish people around Boston cared about UConn, BC,, etc and College Football in general, and wish it was different, but few care. As such, what little interest there is would be for a BC- Umass game or a BC- Holy Cross game, rather than a BC- Weber State, or even a BC- Wake Forest matchup. BC- Uconn might do a lot of Uconn fans, but it does little for Boston casual fans, even if Uconn won. They will come out to see Florida State, Notre Dame, and such however, as these are are marquee programs. BC will probably never become a national marquee program ( neither will UConn either ), so from Boston's perspective, putting 2 more Massachuseetts schools on the out of conference schedule, especially where neither fan bases have a small but noticeable contingent of violent prone in their mix, does seem to make scheduling sense to a lot of non BC alums in the Boston area. Just thought I 'd chime in on this thread re. BC's upcoming scheduling from a casual college football fan living near the City of Boston.
 
Yeah......sure........that's exactly why BC won't schedule UCONN.

Like I mentioned before, intellectual integrity always appears to be in short supply at BC.
 
BC and Holy Cross ( and Umass ) vs. BC has more local Boston region interest than BC playing UCONN, now of the AAC. It just does. I like College Football, live 10 miles from the BC campus and wish people around Boston cared about UConn, BC,, etc and College Football in general, and wish it was different, but few care. As such, what little interest there is would be for a BC- Umass game or a BC- Holy Cross game, rather than a BC- Weber State, or even a BC- Wake Forest matchup. BC- Uconn might do a lot of Uconn fans, but it does little for Boston casual fans, even if Uconn won. They will come out to see Florida State, Notre Dame, and such however, as these are are marquee programs. BC will probably never become a national marquee program ( neither will UConn either ), so from Boston's perspective, putting 2 more Massachuseetts schools on the out of conference schedule, especially where neither fan bases have a small but noticeable contingent of violent prone in their mix, does seem to make scheduling sense to a lot of non BC alums in the Boston area. Just thought I 'd chime in on this thread re. BC's upcoming scheduling from a casual college football fan living near the City of Boston.
You won't play us because you have too much to lose, that's the reality. And no Sherlock of course nd and real football powers draw better then us. I thought that was common sense?
 
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You won't play us because you have too much to lose, that's the reality. And no Sherlock of course nd and real football powers draw better then us. I thought that was common sense?

Husky, I don't necessarily disagree with what you have stated above. The fact is that teams schedule games against one another when it suits the mutual best interest of both teams. That is a simple fact.

The reaity is that, IMO, BC and SU have probably determined that it is not in their best interest to schedule Uconn at this point in time. It is not the obigation of any entity to help a competitor. At this time, IMO, these games would benefit Uconn more than BC or SU.

IMO, if anyone belives that if the situation were reversed, that Uconn would not be adopting the exact same strategy as they claim BC and SU are following, then they are not showing the "intellectual honesty" that was mentioned above. Heck, the fact that Uconn has played Umass (the flagship school of the neighboring state, with a campus located closer to Uconn than any other FBS school they could play) once in the dozen or so years that Uconn has been at the FBS level (with no future games scheduled) makes my point, IMO.

If Uconn makes it to the BiG, BC and Uconn might play against one another if BOTH schools determinie it to be in their best interest. If one or both decide it is not in their best interest, they won't.

Pretty basic.
 
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If anyone belives that if the situation were reversed, that Uconn would not be adopting the exact same strategy as they claim BC and SU are following, then they are not showing the "intellectual honesty" that Uconn talked about above.

I'm calling bull . Of course UCONN acts in its own best interest, but UCONN recognizes full well that college sports is driven largely by regional interests. It has never excluded regional interests because it recognizes that regional interest is in it's own best interest and because UCONN has never shied away from competition. BC is trying its best to exclude UCONN from the ACC and direct football competition largely out of fear and vengeance......and it's absolutely moronic from a business perspective, because a vibrant UCONN athletic program is good for college athletics in the region.

Just to be clear, I don't worry about UCONN remaining competitive with BC and Syracuse even with our crappy conference affiliation. What disappoints me is that with this affiliation UCONN's opportunity to be visible on a national level in football is greatly diminished. UCONN's view of the world is a lot different than BC's.
 
You won't play us because you have too much to lose, that's the reality. And no Sherlock of course nd and real football powers draw better then us. I thought that was common sense?

I really do think that ultimately Uconn will get to play BC in football once again down the road something most casual college football fans in Greater Boston would probaby support and in which there is ongoing heightened interest here anong UConn football fans. I think it will happen probably after the retirement of the current school president, Fr. William Leahy. He's really not a football fan, and really not even a sports fan. Reports are, rightly or wrongly,that he did not want his name attached to the lawsuit generated out of Connecticut by Blumenthal, as he felt, rightly or wrongly, that the accusations made in the legal briefs about his actions were false. Now maybe they were all true, who knows, but thats not the point, the point is that the lawsuit left in his mind that he would prefer that BC no longer play Uconn. This became reinforced when students and cheerleaders in the BC bus were subjected to some bad stuff at the last football game in Hartford. This is all regrettable, as BC was one of the BE Schools as you probably are aware that voted " yes " for Uconn's admittance to the BE, and lately,under their new AD Bates, have reinstated the playing of basketball with Uconn even though Uconn has dominated BC in basketball for decades. So its not like BC " is scared "of athletic competition with Uconn in my view.. Leahy's decision has nothing at all to do with football competition and being scared of Uconn football. The same with Syracuse, and the same with the other ACC schools. Its frankly got nothing to do with UConn football at all, imo. UConn will get their need to play BC in football again fulfilled in time. And it probably will be when the defendants in the lawsuit all all fully retired. They are all getting on in years, so they'll be retiring, the same as Blumenthal, Calhoun, etc... then it will happen, imo. Just be patient, thats all.
 
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I'm calling bull . Of course UCONN acts in its own best interest, but UCONN recognizes full well that college sports is driven largely by regional interests. It has never excluded regional interests because it recognizes that regional interest is in it's own best interest and because UCONN has never shied away from competition. BC is trying its best to exclude UCONN from the ACC and direct football competition largely out of fear and vengeance.and it's absolutely moronic from a business perspective, because a vibrant UCONN athletic program is good for college athletics in the region.

Just to be clear, I don't worry about UCONN remaining competitive with BC and Syracuse even with our crappy conference affiliation. What disappoints me is that with this affiliation UCONN's opportunity to be visible on a national level in football is greatly diminished. UCONN's view of the world is a lot different than BC's.

With all due respect, Uconn, I think you have your blue colored glasses firmly affixed.

IMO, Uconn has done EXACTLY what I have indicated. Exhibit A: UMass Amherst.

In the 10+ years, Uconn has been FBS, Uconn has played Umass Amherst ONCE in FB, with no future games scheduled. Even more interesting, Uconn Men's BB has played Umass Amherst Men's BB (arguably the #2 program in New England) I think ONCE during that same span. Oh, Uconn has played Umass-Lowell multiple times, BU, Northeastern, etc. but Umass Amherst, what? once? Wonder why?

You may think that Uconn is different than BC or SU with regard to regional rivalries, but, IMO, the evidence says otherwise. Both BC and Uconn play plenty of "regional" games - when it is beneficial to them. IMO, both shy away from the games that they perceive are NOT beneficial to them. The record speaks for itself!
 
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this is not equivalent to UConn and UMass.
this is about two former conference partners trying to extinguish UConn football. I'm sure both BC and a Cuse have been none to happy that in the past 10 years UConn football has ALREADY had better football seasons then them in such a short period of time.
The best way to get rid of what potentially could be the best Northeast football program outside of PSU is to keep UConn out of a P5 conference and to cut off as much of the money supply as possible.
It's why BC pushed to keep UConn out over Pitt and it's why BC and Cuse pushed for an awful academic school in Louisville over UConn.
and it doesn't hurt that the stiff-arming May affect non-football sports as well in the long run.

just pray that we never get an invite to the B1G because if we do there will be two sets of people going to BC's tombstone. BC fans to mourn and UConn fans to pi$$ on it.
 
UCONN scheduled UMASS to a hoop series when UMASS was at its peak 10-15 years ago. Toe-to-toe, two of the then best programs in the country. Something like a 5 game series. Unfortunately for UMASS the Ws in that series went entirely to UCONN and it was not renewed. Might very well have been in UCONN's interest not to move forward, but we had plenty of regional games as a member of the Big East. UCONN ducked nothing! I believe UMASS is on future schedules for football, although I don't really know what that has to do with anything.

The point is this. BC has deliberately and has stated as such it's desire to keep UCONN out of major college athletics to protect its perceived interests. It's words and deeds have made that very clear. Your argument that UCONN would do the same, I think, is just plain wrong. And, more to the point, you're argument is that the behavior is OK because somebody else might do it.

Small, insular = ethically challenged
 
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this is not equivalent to UConn and UMass.
this is about two former conference partners trying to extinguish UConn football. I'm sure both BC and a Cuse have been none to happy that in the past 10 years UConn football has ALREADY had better football seasons then them in such a short period of time.
The best way to get rid of what potentially could be the best Northeast football program outside of PSU is to keep UConn out of a P5 conference and to cut off as much of the money supply as possible.
It's why BC pushed to keep UConn out over Pitt and it's why BC and Cuse pushed for an awful academic school in Louisville over UConn.
and it doesn't hurt that the stiff-arming May affect non-football sports as well in the long run.

just pray that we never get an invite to the B1G because if we do there will be two sets of people going to BC's tombstone. BC fans to mourn and UConn fans to pi$$ on it.

Still love the unintentional comedy on here. Maybe UCONN football should have a winning season before taking the Big 10 by storm.

Also this thread is an excellent illustration of why UCONN is alone conference affiliation wise. They just don't play well with others.
 
Still love the unintentional comedy on here. Maybe UCONN football should have a winning season before taking the Big 10 by storm.

Also this thread is an excellent illustration of why UCONN is alone conference affiliation wise. They just don't play well with others.

Wow! You really are a small person aren't you. Got those internet muscles all pumped up........fi
 
You know - it's a funny thing. BCU pretty much owes everything they are to Doug Flutie. He is the personification of BCU athletics, right down to the last time being relevant being decades ago, and the ongoing short man syndrome that exudes from everything the university and it's fanbase does.
 
UCONN scheduled UMASS to a hoop series when UMASS was at its peak 10-15 years ago. Toe-to-toe, two of the then best programs in the country. Something like a 5 game series. Unfortunately for UMASS the Ws in that series went entirely to UCONN and it was not renewed. Might very well have been in UCONN's interest not to move forward, but we had plenty of regional games as a member of the Big East. UCONN ducked nothing! I believe UMASS is on future schedules for football, although I don't really know what that has to do with anything.

The point is this. BC has deliberately and has stated as such it's desire to keep UCONN out of major college athletics to protect its perceived interests. It's words and deeds have made that very clear. Your argument that UCONN would do the same, I think, is just plain wrong. And, more to the point, you're argument is that the behavior is OK because somebody else might do it.

Small, insular = ethically challenged

Oh, come on Uconn.

Uconn did play Umass 10-15 years ago. They also played Umass a couple of times earlier in the new millenium. Umass actually won one of those games, beating a ranked Uconn team. Since those couple of games, Uconn has studiously avoided the #2 BB program in New England. Sure, they have played lots of other New England games, which makes their obvious avoidance of the #2 New England team even more glaring, IMO. Again, that's my point.

BC trying to keep Uconn out of a major conference? Hey, I am sure that BC would be opposed to Uconn coming to the ACC (GDF said as much). But so what? Uconn is a competitor in the market and its not BC's job to aid them. How is that different from say, UF and FSU or S. Carolina and Clemson.

You seem to forget that when BC wanted to first jump to the ACC, Uconn took the lead in a lawsuit to prevent BC from moving out of the BE - a move that successfully delayed BC for a year. A lot of BC fans were quite upset by this suit. While I was angered by the inflammatory tone of the suit, ("conspiracies", "schemes", etc.) and the fact that individuals were sued PERSONALLY, I always understood that the plaintiffs were going to aggressively pursue their best interests; so I understood the nature of the suit. If the lawsuit was ultimately successful, it would have prevented BC from moving to the ACC (it almost did) and would have been very harmful to BC. But that's the nature of the business. IMO, Uconn fans need to realize that other schools are also going to play hardball as well when it suits their best interests. IMO, Uconn does not have a lock on playing hardball.

Look, I know is hard, but look at it from BC's point of view. Uconn was part of an effort that tried very hard to prevent BC from moving to the ACC. Now, when it suits them, Uconn fans would like BC to forget this and "do right by Uconn." Excuse me, but when did Uconn "do right by BC"? (This would probably also would apply to Miami, IMO.)

Besides, BC is ONE VOTE out of 14 in the ACC. The suggestion that BC is singularly keeping Uconn out of the ACC doesn't pass the sniff test. Also, BC has no say whatsoever about Uconn getting into the BiG or B12, so that doesn't pass the sniff test either.

Imo, the issue of "ethically challenged" is nonsense, unless you want to make the case that ALL of big-time college athletics involve "ethical challenges"!
 
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Also this thread is an excellent illustration of why UCONN is alone conference affiliation wise. They just don't play well with others.

This is true. While schools like BC just roll over and suck at everything Uconn actually likes a challenge and wins championships. If I were another school near Uconn I wouldn't want to play Uconn either. It's so much easier to just continue to suck and avoid local (relatively speaking) competition.
 
I have no problem with BC playing Holy Cross. Everyone should get one cupcake. Not 5 like Snookie did.
BC just has the most arrogant fans anywhere. Just go back to your board please.
 
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