OT: 2024 Olympics (non basketball)

[mauconnfan]

I’ve only watched the golf this far. Great finishing 9 holes by Scheffler many big names with a chance heading into the weekend.

Other than that don’t think I will watch anything no interest. Maybe women’s golf Wednesday to Saturday hoping Korda grabs the gold.

 

[temery]

That would bring a lot of issues with where the runner is in their stride. A stride that happens to align with that would have a big upper hand over a stride where the runner landed right before the line and then had to take a full stride before planting their foot again. The rules as they are probably the most objective way to determine pure fastest runner.

The goal is to get past the finish line. The finish line is painted on the ground, as is each starting line.

The rules as they are are probably the least objective way to determine pure fastest runner.

 

[Umami Zen]

That would bring a lot of issues with where the runner is in their stride. A stride that happens to align with that would have a big upper hand over a stride where the runner landed right before the line and then had to take a full stride before planting their foot again. The rules as they are probably the most objective way to determine pure fastest runner.

Noah turned on the jets in the last 30 yds.

 

[superjohn]

Noah Wyle. He won according to the rules, but I find it odd they'd determine a winner so subjectively - first torso to cross the line.

First foot to land across the line seems like it would be a lot less subjective.

That's how it's always been. It's why technique and the lean are so important in sprints.

 

[temery]

That's how it's always been. It's why technique and the lean are so important in sprints.

Im not saying they got it wrong according to the rules. I'm saying the rule is stupid.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Im not saying they got it wrong according to the rules. I'm saying the rule is stupid.

It’s the best way to do it. Leaning is taught. If Thompson’s was as exaggerated as Lyle’s he likely would’ve won.

 

[superjohn]

Im not saying they got it wrong according to the rules. I'm saying the rule is stupid.

Disagree, leaning for the tape has always been a fundamental part of track. Who broke the tape first with their chest was always the winner. Deciding it any other way seems stupid.

 

[temery]

Disagree, leaning for the tape has always been a fundamental part of track. Who broke the tape first with their chest was always the winner. Deciding it any other way seems stupid.

You'd have a point if there was an actual tape.

 

[superjohn]

You'd have a point if there was an actual tape.

There was an actual tape, it would be incredibly stupid to fundamentally change the sport.

 

[temery]

There was an actual tape, it would be incredibly stupid to fundamentally change the sport.

Rules are changed when technology provides a better alternative.

Runners need to be informed that the tape is actually not the “finish line” of the race. Even if someone breaks the tape first, that doesn’t mean they are automatically the winner, as the tape may have not been held exactly over the real finish line itself.

THE BREAK TAPE — DMSE Sports

Holding a break tape at the finish of a major (or any) race and what the tape actually looks like is a perfect example of how something seemingly very simple can have huge implications.

www.dmsesports.com

 

[superjohn]

Rules are changed when technology provides a better alternative.

Runners need to be informed that the tape is actually not the “finish line” of the race. Even if someone breaks the tape first, that doesn’t mean they are automatically the winner, as the tape may have not been held exactly over the real finish line itself.

THE BREAK TAPE — DMSE Sports

Holding a break tape at the finish of a major (or any) race and what the tape actually looks like is a perfect example of how something seemingly very simple can have huge implications.

www.dmsesports.com

This has nothing to do with the discussion. Of course if the tape is set up wrong for a marathon it's the photo finish that decides the winner.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

The goal is to get past the finish line. The finish line is painted on the ground, as is each starting line.

The rules as they are are probably the least objective way to determine pure fastest runner.

If the rule were just get any part of your body over the line, it’d get pretty dangerous since the fastest way would almost certainly be hurling your body forward at the very end to have your fingertips break first.

Not really sure how any way to define it is more or less objective since it’s all a binary determination. They’ve either broken the line or not. This is probably the one that most incentives the fastest pure running with the least amount of nonsense at the end to gain an advantage.

 

[temery]

If the rule were just get any part of your body over the line, it’d get pretty dangerous since the fastest way would almost certainly be hurling your body forward at the very end to have your fingertips break first.

Not really sure how any way to define it is more or less objective since it’s all a binary determination. They’ve either broken the line or not. This is probably the one that most incentives the fastest pure running with the least amount of nonsense at the end to gain an advantage.

A runner taller or short than the avg runner is at a disadvantage if a tape is used. First foot to hit the ground is far easier to determine than the first torso crossing the tape.

 

[temery]

This has nothing to do with the discussion. Of course if the tape is set up wrong for a marathon it's the photo finish that decides the winner.

No, this actually is the discussion. I know, I started the discussion. And this wasn't a marathon.

Im just saying there is a far less subjective way to determine the winner.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

A runner taller or short than the avg runner is at a disadvantage if a tape is used. First foot to hit the ground is far easier to determine than the first torso crossing the tape.

But again, that gives a huge advantage to runners whose stride happens to line up perfectly, which is 100% luck and no skill.

 

[temery]

But again, that gives a huge advantage to runners whose stride happens to line up perfectly, which is 100% luck and no skill.

Not luck at all. Many if not most track and field events rely on timing/stride.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

No, this actually is the discussion. I know, I started the discussion. And this wasn't a marathon.

Im just saying there is a far less subjective way to determine the winner.

How is it subjective? Not like these runners have vastly different chest sizes to give an advantage. Like dove is saying, strides can be way different giving some an advantage.

 

[The Yakk]

Maybe it's just me, but it seems like this is the best produced summer olympics on a TV standpoint ever and Paris has done an excellent job too.

Yeah, except for the decision to toss the triathletes into the Seine where they could slowly dissolve.

 

[prankster]

A runner taller or short than the avg runner is at a disadvantage if a tape is used. First foot to hit the ground is far easier to determine than the first torso crossing the tape.

Well, there is a new technology available. It involves these things they call "cameras". They produce these things called "pictures".

Using a "camera", you can get a "picture" that shows which competitor first got some part of his (or her) body across the finish line.

In sailing, it is any part of a boat or crew (in its normal position) that gets across the finish line first, that competitor wins. Now the sailing folks are pretty archaic in their approach. The judgement is done by human eyeballs. None of those new fangled "cameras" or "pictures".

 

[temery]

How is it subjective? Not like these runners have vastly different chest sizes to give an advantage. Like dove is saying, strides can be way different giving some an advantage.

I don't get this stride argument. Stride is a factor in many/most track and field events, including getting the torso across the line first.

I'm suggesting the first foot to hit the ground past the finish line, wins. This is far less subjective than using an imaginary tape/torso.

At the very least, use whatever body part crosses the line first. Even the winner (Lyne) agrees - he thought the other guy won.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Not luck at all. Many if not most track and field events rely on timing/stride.

At the speed they’re going, there is not a chance they could line up their stride to hit exactly when they get to the finish line. That is 100% pure luck if it worked out that way.

 

[temery]

Well, there is a new technology available. It involves these things they call "cameras". They produce these things called "pictures".

Using a "camera", you can get a "picture" that shows which competitor first got some part of his (or her) body across the finish line.

In sailing, it is any part of a boat or crew (in its normal position) that gets across the finish line first, that competitor wins. Now the sailing folks are pretty archaic in their approach. The judgement is done by human eyeballs. None of those new fangled "cameras" or "pictures".

Any photo finish requires eyeballs. Technology doesn't distinguish between a head, a hand or a torso. So just make the winner whoever crosses the finish line first.



Bottom line: ANY body part crossing the line is the best way to decide who crossed the line first.

 

[temery]

At the speed they’re going, there is not a chance they could line up their stride to hit exactly when they get to the finish line. That is 100% pure luck if it worked out that way.

Hurdlers disagree. Long jumpers disagree. Pole vaulters disagree.

And stride has to be adjusted for anyone to try and get their torso past the line first.

 

[superjohn]

Any photo finish requires eyeballs.

'And the cameras showed another guy's foot crossed the line first. A foot is a lot easier to define than a torso. A foot is a foot.

You're not making any sense.

Also, the name of the sprinter who won the race is Noah Lyles.

 

[temery]

You're not making any sense.

Also, the name of the sprinter who won the race is Noah Lyles.

I totally understand my reasoning is beyond your ability to understand.