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WhereistheDove? said:
But again, that gives a huge advantage to runners whose stride happens to line up perfectly, which is 100% luck and no skill.
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Not luck at all. Many if not most track and field events rely on timing/stride.
 
temery said:
No, this actually is the discussion. I know, I started the discussion. And this wasn't a marathon.

Im just saying there is a far less subjective way to determine the winner.
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How is it subjective? Not like these runners have vastly different chest sizes to give an advantage. Like dove is saying, strides can be way different giving some an advantage.
 
Hey Adrien! said:
Maybe it's just me, but it seems like this is the best produced summer olympics on a TV standpoint ever and Paris has done an excellent job too.
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Yeah, except for the decision to toss the triathletes into the Seine where they could slowly dissolve.
 
temery said:
A runner taller or short than the avg runner is at a disadvantage if a tape is used. First foot to hit the ground is far easier to determine than the first torso crossing the tape.
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Well, there is a new technology available. It involves these things they call "cameras". They produce these things called "pictures".

Using a "camera", you can get a "picture" that shows which competitor first got some part of his (or her) body across the finish line.

In sailing, it is any part of a boat or crew (in its normal position) that gets across the finish line first, that competitor wins. Now the sailing folks are pretty archaic in their approach. The judgement is done by human eyeballs. None of those new fangled "cameras" or "pictures".
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
How is it subjective? Not like these runners have vastly different chest sizes to give an advantage. Like dove is saying, strides can be way different giving some an advantage.
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I don't get this stride argument. Stride is a factor in many/most track and field events, including getting the torso across the line first.

I'm suggesting the first foot to hit the ground past the finish line, wins. This is far less subjective than using an imaginary tape/torso.

At the very least, use whatever body part crosses the line first. Even the winner (Lyne) agrees - he thought the other guy won.
 
temery said:
Not luck at all. Many if not most track and field events rely on timing/stride.
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At the speed they’re going, there is not a chance they could line up their stride to hit exactly when they get to the finish line. That is 100% pure luck if it worked out that way.
 
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prankster said:
Well, there is a new technology available. It involves these things they call "cameras". They produce these things called "pictures".

Using a "camera", you can get a "picture" that shows which competitor first got some part of his (or her) body across the finish line.

In sailing, it is any part of a boat or crew (in its normal position) that gets across the finish line first, that competitor wins. Now the sailing folks are pretty archaic in their approach. The judgement is done by human eyeballs. None of those new fangled "cameras" or "pictures".
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Any photo finish requires eyeballs. Technology doesn't distinguish between a head, a hand or a torso. So just make the winner whoever crosses the finish line first.



Bottom line: ANY body part crossing the line is the best way to decide who crossed the line first.
 
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WhereistheDove? said:
At the speed they’re going, there is not a chance they could line up their stride to hit exactly when they get to the finish line. That is 100% pure luck if it worked out that way.
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Hurdlers disagree. Long jumpers disagree. Pole vaulters disagree.

And stride has to be adjusted for anyone to try and get their torso past the line first.
 
temery said:
Any photo finish requires eyeballs.

'And the cameras showed another guy's foot crossed the line first. A foot is a lot easier to define than a torso. A foot is a foot.
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You're not making any sense.

Also, the name of the sprinter who won the race is Noah Lyles.
 
superjohn said:
You're not making any sense.

Also, the name of the sprinter who won the race is Noah Lyles.
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I totally understand my reasoning is beyond your ability to understand.
 
temery said:
Hurdlers disagree. Long jumpers disagree. Pole vaulters disagree.

And stride has to be adjusted for anyone to try and get their torso past the line first.
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Hurdlers are going at far lesser speeds and the hurdle is part of the challenge of the event. For a sprinter to match their finishing stride precisely with the finish line, they’d have to slow down, which they wouldn’t do because it would lose more time than it was worth, which works us all the way back to this being 100% luck.

Longer jump isn’t a running competition so that’s not really relevant.
 
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All runners in a tight race adjust their stride to get past the line first. Long jumpers adjust their stride to make sure they don't pass the line. Same for pole vaulters needing to be exact in hitting the box.

Saying the first torso to pass the line is arbitrary.
 
superjohn said:
I just hope you can find your way home.
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How would anyone know when I'm home? My security system triggers when any body part crosses the plane of any sensor. Make perfect sense.

mic drop.
 
The men's Pole Vault was a ton of fun to watch. That kid is amazing.
 
Damn that 3x3 Basketball Gold Medal game between the Netherlands and France was fire. The atmosphere was better considering France was the host country and the crowd was loud. Netherlands wins 18-17 in sudden death OT on a game winning 2 pointer (behind arc).
Sudden death is the first to 2 points.
Netherlands smothered the USA in pool play 21-6.
 
jleves said:
The men's Pole Vault was a ton of fun to watch. That kid is amazing.
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Mondo is from another planet. The same one all the Cajuns came from.
 
temery said:
How would anyone know when I'm home? My security system triggers when any body part crosses the plane of any sensor. Make perfect sense.

mic drop.
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Everybody knows the rule, fairness is achieved by agreement of that convention.

It is certainly possible to change the rule, but then equally possible that reaching out with hands, diving, sliding or whatever would occur if its first body part. Heck long fingernails would make a difference in the women's 100. Meanwhile, the photo finish tech did make it pretty easy to see which torso crossed the line first, so this is a viable working system without a pressing problem and the possible resultant new problems may out-weigh the benefit.

I thought it was kind of cool, yet random where everyone's feet were at the end and was glad they weren't focused on that. Also given the foot seems to cross before the torso another new problem would be historical records. Yet it'd be interesting if they tried this out at different meets to see how it goes.
 
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jleves said:
The men's Pole Vault was a ton of fun to watch. That kid is amazing.
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Unreal, he's putting up records that only he can break. It reminds me of Javier Sotomayor in the high jump and Mike Powell in the long jump. These are records that may never be broken.

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WrenchFan69 said:
Japan just pulled off one of the greatest chokes we've ever seen in men's volleyball. 3 match points in the 3rd set looking to win 3-0 and they go on to lose 3-2. Had another match point in the 5th and their pinch server hits the bottom half of the net. Just not remotely ready for the moment
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Congrats on being ready for the moment yourself. I mean, I presume you were in there hitting clutch serves for the Italian team.
 
I have been following the Olympics for many years and I love it. I enjoy track and field, swimming and gymnastics the most.

Some highlights for me were the pommel horse bronze medals performances by Stephen Nedoroscik. 10,000-meter win for Grant Fisher. Trinity Rodman's goal against Japan. The US Men's victory against Brazil in volleyball.
Looking forward to the 200M finals today.

I also liked the gold medal winning performance by Scottie Scheffler. I am not big on having golfers or tennis players in the Olympics, but Scottie reduced by cynicism. That victory meant a lot to him and there is nothing I appreciate more than passion.
 
AidanFan20 said:
Whoa... If ya didn't see it, find a replay of the men's 1500 meter run....
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Just coming to say how exciting that 1500m race was. Definitely worth a watch.

Reminded me of the Wottle 800m race in the 1972 Olympics.
 
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temery said:
All runners in a tight race adjust their stride to get past the line first. Long jumpers adjust their stride to make sure they don't pass the line. Same for pole vaulters needing to be exact in hitting the box.

Saying the first torso to pass the line is arbitrary.
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The best runners adjust their torso to match their stride and make sure their torso crosses first. Track events are different than field events.

Choosing which body part crosses first is somewhat arbitrary. Judging races based on that standard is objective.
 
AidanFan20 said:
Whoa... If ya didn't see it, find a replay of the men's 1500 meter run....
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the Norwegian Ingebrigtsen was too busy trying to box out Kerr and didn't have anything left for the stretch run and boxed himself out of a medal altogether
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Guy is also so full of himself. Not mad he got 4th.
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Exactly, the Norwegian is an easy guy to dislike. Tirico mentioned, during the broadcast, that many people were standing and cheering and yelling at their TVs, while watching the race. That is exactly what I was doing and yelling my fool head off. Great race for Cole.

USWNT was fun to watch as well.
 
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