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Whether or not he deserves the money this makes us look small. Why would a P5 conference want us If we can't make a bad coach go away? This doesn't look good for KO but it could have more long term damage to the University.
 
upstater said:
I'm going to add here that Glen Miller's testimony was totally weird. He first says, "No, not that I'm aware of, and then he says, well, wait a minute, there was the time that..."

I mean, that is just bizarre. This is not a minor thing. If your wife heard Ollie did this, it would stick in your mind. You'd be like, WTF!?!?! Unless it is a totally normal thing to do in Miller's experience. Why in the world did he offer it as an afterthought. "No, Ollie never.... but, wait a minute, my wife heard..."

That's just bizarre.

I would think that if my wife relayed something like that to me, if I were an ass't coach, it would stick in my frontal lobe like a hard marshmallow.

"Did Ollie ever use money to recruit players...."

"Well, my wife was speaking to a player's mom who said...."

Now that sounds more straightforward.
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Have you ever been deposed? People get nervous...very nervous and don't always recall things in order

I could also argue your version if very rehearsed and planned

IMO You really can't read anything into how he answered this ?
 
NJHusky said:
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Have you ever been deposed? People get nervous...very nervous and don't always recall things in order

I could also argue your version if very rehearsed and planned

IMO You really can't read anything into how he answered this ?
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That may be BUT...

Not buying it.

This is the NCAA.

The #1 thing on your mind, that everyone knows, is that they are interested in whether or not you pay players.

This is not some throw away question. It's the one question everyone knows is coming.

Here's an analogy: You have a girlfriend. Your friends throw a bachelor party in Vegas for your best friend. Some of your friends have girlfriends and wives. Some of your friends do some things that sometimes happen in Vegas.

When you get home, you know you are ready for your girlfriend's question: did anyone mess around?

If you say something like, "No, I have no knowledge of anything like that ever happening...." and then after a few seconds, you say, "But wait a minute, John did say he saw Tom go into a room with 3 hookers, and it did sound like they were having sex, but I have no direct knowledge of that...."

Well, you're going to sound less than credible.
 
I'm beginning to tire of this, although if Miller told lies then there are consequences

But I think the accusation by Miller is "Ollie told me he paid $ 30k to a recruit's mom". Kinda hard to disprove that never happened

I didn't think this could get any weirder, yet it does. What's next? Jim Calhoun told Miller to lie?
 
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crewbear742 said:
What Uconn did to KO was morally reprehensible. You don't use an ethics charge you don't actually care about to break a contract. That's just rank hypocrisy. You either care about ethics or you don't. There is no "Ethics only become important when there is $10 million at stake" rule.

And it's refreshing to see the board once again consider the NCAA to be a trustworthy organization. I assume there will be no discussion of UNC or Louisville on this thread.
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No Ollie's cheating was morally reprehensible. UConn reporting it, as it is obligated to do, is perfectly appropriate. Somehow you are arguing that ethics are only must be followed "if you care about them." That's the kind of moral slippery slope that inevitably gets people into trouble.

Here's a great example, Kevin cheated, maybe he felt like other coaches must have been cheating because he was doing so poorly against them. Who knows he may well have been right (cough, cough Tremont cough) but that didn't make what he did appropriate. Once he cheated he then felt he had to lie to bosses. That was fine because the other coaches probably did that as well, right? Once he had lied to his bosses, he really had to lie the the NCAA. I'm sure he felt like he had no choice, in his view, because he couldn't admit to being both a cheat and liar. Now he is looking at a show cause order.

Of course he could have done the right thing, apologized and gone away quietly, but that would be admission that he's not the man we once thought he was. So instead honoring his agreement in his contract (and the CBA) which terminates upon, among other things, UConn's determination that he has violated NCAA or university policy, Kevin decided to get money to which he has no legal or moral right. When the University appropriately refused he, essentially, had a tantrum, threatening to get through extortion what he is not entitled to at law. Eventually this devolved into KO trying to smear a man that he once described as a "second father" whose support "meant everything to (Ollie)."

So here we are and this once "high character guy" is defined by his actions as a disloyal, cheater and liar. It is sad really. That is the problem with thinking that ethics is only important when you "care about it." Eventually, you care about nothing and accordingly are ethically bankrupt.
 
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willie99 said:
But I think the accusation by Miller is "Ollie told me he paid $ 30k to a recruit's mom".
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No, not according to the departed’s actual allegations in his latest filing. It’s linked in this thread. See #s 16 and 22. Get the facts ...
 
crewbear742 said:
Tu quoque is a logical fallacy. You can't defend UConn's behavior by pointing at KO. This board manifestly does not care about anything KO is charged with other than using it as an instrument to save $10 million. This is nothing but self-interest pretending to be moral principle.
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UConn as a public institution also has an ethical and fiduciary responsibility to the taxpayers of CT to not waste money when it is not required. It is a public interest, not a self interest.

Ollie was paid fairly for his work. He's not going to get paid for work he has not done because he violated the terms of the contract that would have entitled him to such.
 
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whaler11 said:
All true. I’m fine with all of that if people are homest and admit that the violations are ticky tacky when you consider the reality of the sport.
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The issue is I’ve heard of violations (not talking about paying 30K Glenn Miller related stuff...talking about 2016 pre-season stuff) that would certainly not qualify as ticky tacky.

He got caught for ticky tacky. That doesn’t mean he was only doing ticky tacky stuff. That’s where people who claim UConn are screwing him and he has the moral high ground lose me.
 
upstater said:
I'm going to add here that Glen Miller's testimony was totally weird. He first says, "No, not that I'm aware of, and then he says, well, wait a minute, there was the time that..."

I mean, that is just bizarre. This is not a minor thing. If your wife heard Ollie did this, it would stick in your mind. You'd be like, WTF!?!?! Unless it is a totally normal thing to do in Miller's experience. Why in the world did he offer it as an afterthought. "No, Ollie never.... but, wait a minute, my wife heard..."

That's just bizarre.

I would think that if my wife relayed something like that to me, if I were an ass't coach, it would stick in my frontal lobe like a hard marshmallow.

"Did Ollie ever use money to recruit players...."

"Well, my wife was speaking to a player's mom who said...."

Now that sounds more straightforward.
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Nah, answering open ended questions is hard. You have to search your memory. That pattern isn't all that unusual. But it is entirely possible that GM thought about it and said WTF I'll mention the Garrett thing. I don't know of course, but I'd guess that he didn't make it up on the spot. The detail is too rich and the imperfect overlap with his wife's testimony seems right.

Still, the smart thing would have been not to mention it.
 
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mrl2016 said:
The issue is I’ve heard of violations (not talking about paying 30K Glenn Miller related stuff...talking about 2016 pre-season stuff) that would certainly not qualify as ticky tacky.

He got caught for ticky tacky. That doesn’t mean he was only doing ticky tacky stuff. That’s where people who claim UConn are screwing him and he has the moral high ground lose me.
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well can’t we actually only go by what they fired him for? if there were worse violations why not fire him for cause for those and make your case stronger in the court of public opinion at least.
 
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CL82 said:
Still, the smart thing would have been not to mention it.
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The next smart thing any of the people involved in this mess does will be the first.

Has anyone read the actual complaint? I can't bring myself to read this thread but that was the first thing I did when I saw the headline. I don't think I've ever seen a complaint use the language attributed to Miller there, in connection with what he allegedly called Ollie.
 
whaler11 said:
well can’t we actually only go by what they fired him for? if there were worse violations why not fire him for cause for those and make your case stronger in the court of public opinion stronger at least.
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Because they couldn’t be proven. Which I get it is ur way of saying they’re not true, which you are free to disagree with me on.

Just voicing my perspective based on what I believe to be true. I’m in no way an insider, just happened to have someone extremely randomly placed close to the situation on this one
 
CL82 said:
Nah, answering open ended questions is hard. You have to search your memory. That pattern isn't all that unusual. But it is entirely possible that GM thought about it and said WTF I'll mention the Garrett thing. I don't know of course, but I'd guess that he didn't make it up on the spot. The detail is too rich and the imperfect overlap with his wife's testimony seems right.

Still, the smart thing would have been not to mention it.
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Except I have a problem with...not to my knowledge, then re remembering-I think he knew he was going to throw it in, and was looking for the opportunity-admittedly pure speculation on my part.
 
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uchusky32 said:
Whether or not he deserves the money this makes us look small. Why would a P5 conference want us If we can't make a bad coach go away? This doesn't look good for KO but it could have more long term damage to the University.
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For the love of Pete, now the conference frockery is a reason to pay the KO'd?! That too is about MONEY. UConn's ability to ever get into a football conference is about football money and football money and money from football and that is it.
 
CL82 said:
Nah, answering open ended questions is hard. You have to search your memory. That pattern isn't all that unusual. But it is entirely possible that GM thought about it and said WTF I'll mention the Garrett thing. I don't know of course, but I'd guess that he didn't make it up on the spot. The detail is too rich and the imperfect overlap with his wife's testimony seems right.

Still, the smart thing would have been not to mention it.
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Search your memory for paying a player $30k?????

If that's not at the top of your memory, what is? The time he murdered someone?

Oh my!
 
CL82 said:
Show-cause order...
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www.courant.com

UConn officials, Kevin Ollie begin meeting with NCAA’s Committee on Infractions over men’s basketball program investigation

UConn officials met with the NCAA’s Division I Committee on Infractions on Thursday regarding the NCAA’s investigation into former coach Kevin Ollie and the recruiting practices of the …
www.courant.com www.courant.com

If the allegations stand up, Ollie could be be given a “show-cause” order, which could result in penalties assessed if he is at another school, effectively hurting his chances of coaching elsewhere in the college game.
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mrl2016 said:
He got caught for ticky tacky. That doesn’t mean he was only doing ticky tacky stuff. That’s where people who claim UConn are screwing him and he has the moral high ground lose me.
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He got caught making illegal payments for illegal travel and illegal meals, for an illegal training session by an illegal coach.... and then he lied to the university and the NCAA. UConn is wise not worry about hearsay. What he did was significant to enough to terminate his contract and will probably earn him a show cause penalty.
 
CL82 said:
He got caught making illegal payments for illegal travel and illegal meals, for an illegal training session by an illegal coach.... and then he lied to the university and the NCAA. UConn is wise not worry about hearsay. What he did was significant to enough to terminate his contract and will probably earn him a show cause penalty.
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saying illegal five times doesnt make it a big deal realtive to the level of corruption in the sport.

but you showing an ounce of integrity and admitting that reality is obviously unlikely. you prefer some pedantic high ground that doesn’t exist.
 
whaler11 said:
saying illegal five times doesnt make it a big deal realtive to the level of corruption in the sport.

but you showing an ounce of integrity and admitting that reality is obviously unlikely. you prefer some pedantic high ground that doesn’t exist.
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Why does it matter what you or I view as being a big deal? He didn't honor the conditions of his contract. The NCAA is a disastrous joke of an organization but lying to them has always been a big deal.
 
whaler11 said:
saying illegal five times doesnt make it a big deal realtive to the level of corruption in the sport.

but you showing an ounce of integrity and admitting that reality is obviously unlikely. you prefer some pedantic high ground that doesn’t exist.
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Nor does constantly taking a position adverse to UConn make you an intelligent observer, but like a broken clock you'll be right on occasion.

But thanks I've been waiting for someone to make that observation. I've listed each as "illegal" because each is a separate and distinct violation of NCAA rules. If you steal a car, rob a bank, run down a pedestrian, flee the scene of the accident you've committed four crimes not one. Some on the board would seem to describe that by saying "well he fled the scene, that's not that big a deal..." Dumb right? Well it is equally dumb when you apply that to KO's conduct.
 
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superjohn said:
Why does it matter what you or I view as being a big deal? He didn't honor the conditions of his contract. The NCAA is a disastrous joke of an organization but lying to them has always been a big deal.
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it only matters as far determining how hypocritical posters are - obviously it doesnt have legal implications
 
uchusky32 said:
Whether or not he deserves the money this makes us look small. Why would a P5 conference want us If we can't make a bad coach go away? This doesn't look good for KO but it could have more long term damage to the University.
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On the list of reasons why a P5 wouldn't want UConn, this ranks so far down the it's laughable. In fact, winning at all costs is a very P5 trait. It might make us more desirable now that I think about it.
 
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