Ollie Suing Glen Miller for Slander

[upstater]

Yeah agree to disagree. A former manager who was a wanna be agent < coach paying for illegal travel, illegal lodging, illegal meals to attend illegal travel, with and an illegal coach... and lying about it to UConn and the NCAA.

We'll see in the end. I'm betting the penalties will be lower. Ollie was doing it to help kids get better. If he was giving them money, that's another story. If this $30k thing is true, it blows everything else out of the water, which is my original point in the first place.

Now you know why I didn't want to bring up Calhoun, the penalties, etc.

 

[upstater]

There you go, Upstater..."morally reprehensible" in print on the BY.

Yes, but... since we're using legalese... ex-post facto. Until that post... heheh.

I can't disagree with his logic however, though I also agree with superjohn's point in this case.

This is what happens in the real world. Ethically though it is dubious.

In whatever line of work you're in, you see people do things that are dubious.

 

[UConnNick]

DiMauro is apparently prepared to defend his homeboy Miller to his death. He does have a point, though. Ollie's credibility is less than zero at present.​

 

[upstater]

I'm going to add here that Glen Miller's testimony was totally weird. He first says, "No, not that I'm aware of, and then he says, well, wait a minute, there was the time that..."

I mean, that is just bizarre. This is not a minor thing. If your wife heard Ollie did this, it would stick in your mind. You'd be like, WTF!?!?! Unless it is a totally normal thing to do in Miller's experience. Why in the world did he offer it as an afterthought. "No, Ollie never.... but, wait a minute, my wife heard..."

That's just bizarre.

I would think that if my wife relayed something like that to me, if I were an ass't coach, it would stick in my frontal lobe like a hard marshmallow.

"Did Ollie ever use money to recruit players...."

"Well, my wife was speaking to a player's mom who said...."

Now that sounds more straightforward.

 

[upstater]

DiMauro is apparently prepared to defend his homeboy Miller to his death. He does have a point, though. Ollie's credibility is less than zero at present.​

I'll tell you what--his reporting isn't that great, about the timing of the Chillious news and this new lawsuit.

If anything, I thought that the FBI case might explain why Stephanie Garrett is involved in this at all.

It might also be news to DiMauro that even his coaching heroes have relationships with these sneaker guys (i.e. which is different than saying they were getting paid).

 

[JMick]

I'm going to add here that Glen Miller's testimony was totally weird. He first says, "No, not that I'm aware of, and then he says, well, wait a minute, there was the time that..."

I mean, that is just bizarre. This is not a minor thing. If your wife heard Ollie did this, it would stick in your mind. You'd be like, WTF!?!?! Unless it is a totally normal thing to do in Miller's experience. Why in the world did he offer it as an afterthought. "No, Ollie never.... but, wait a minute, my wife heard..."

That's just bizarre.

I would think that if my wife relayed something like that to me, if I were an ass't coach, it would stick in my frontal lobe like a hard marshmallow.

"Did Ollie ever use money to recruit players...."

"Well, my wife was speaking to a player's mom who said...."

Now that sounds more straightforward.

Idk I do the same thing sometimes. If he waited like 30 seconds then it'd be a different story. It's hard to know in a transcript

 

[UConnNick]

Idk I do the same thing sometimes. If he waited like 30 seconds then it'd be a different story. It's hard to know in a transcript

Yeah, when you're being questioned by "the authorities", which in this instance is the NCAA, it would be disconcerting for some folks, even if you've been granted "limited immunity", whatever the heck that means in NCAAspeak. These folks can ruin your whole livelihood and chosen career with the stroke of a pen.

 

[UConnNick]

Yes, but... since we're using legalese... ex-post facto. Until that post... heheh.

I can't disagree with his logic however, though I also agree with superjohn's point in this case.

This is what happens in the real world. Ethically though it is dubious.

In whatever line of work you're in, you see people do things that are dubious.

Quite a few of the Ollie apologists alluded to it in the past, even if they didn't phrase it exactly in those words.

It's the only justification for claiming Ollie is entitled to be paid any portion or all of the buyout. If UCONN really offered him $2.5 mil to go away, that's $2.5 mil more than they're legally obligated to pay him. Whether or not anybody thinks that's morally or ethically wrong or objectionable is up to them, based upon their own values.

 

[Chief00]

I'm going to add here that Glen Miller's testimony was totally weird. He first says, "No, not that I'm aware of, and then he says, well, wait a minute, there was the time that..."

I mean, that is just bizarre. This is not a minor thing. If your wife heard Ollie did this, it would stick in your mind. You'd be like, WTF!?!?! Unless it is a totally normal thing to do in Miller's experience. Why in the world did he offer it as an afterthought. "No, Ollie never.... but, wait a minute, my wife heard..."

That's just bizarre.

I would think that if my wife relayed something like that to me, if I were an ass't coach, it would stick in my frontal lobe like a hard marshmallow.

"Did Ollie ever use money to recruit players...."

"Well, my wife was speaking to a player's mom who said...."

Now that sounds more straightforward.

Miller is not a smart guy.

 

[Essexdave]

how did Hurley get two 4* and one 5* recruit for his first recruiting season, then?

What 5* did we get?

 

[JMick]

What 5* did we get?

Akok was a 247 5* before the reclass

 

[UofCT]

 

[husky8273]

As you all know, Chief isn’t a fan of GM. Having said that if you are going to make a big case about it, you don’t hire some attorney from New London to take you to the promise land. No offense to anyone from New London but you just don’t do it - you go uptown. KO, what are you thinking?

MP&P is based in Hartford with a New London office. The firm is annually recognized as one of the top employment law firms in CT.

 

[husky8273]

Question for the legal folks here. do You suspect this is a contingent fee case or is Ollie paying his attorneys? If it’s contingent the attorneys might be more desperate than Ollie with all the time they’ve spent on this.

They likely let KO choose between a contingent fee or an hourly rate.

 

[Essexdave]

They likely let KO choose between a contingent fee or an hourly rate.

My guess is unlikely to take such a case on contingency alone. Not a high likelihood of winning. This whole thing is crazy tho

 

[crewbear742]

Are you 5 years old?

No. I'm well old enough to tell the difference between right and wrong.

 

[crewbear742]

Yeah tell that to KO who broke the black and white print in a contract he freely signed and still feels entitled to the full amount. Or do ethics only go one way in your universe?

Tu quoque is a logical fallacy. You can't defend UConn's behavior by pointing at KO. This board manifestly does not care about anything KO is charged with other than using it as an instrument to save $10 million. This is nothing but self-interest pretending to be moral principle.

 

[crewbear742]

The naivety in this post is breathtaking. Welcome to the real world, guy.

My daughter was once fired for making a mandatory report. It was all perfectly legal. There were lawyers to make sure it was done legally even though firing someone for making a mandatory report is illegal. The lawyer she consulted told her that she would be fired after she made her report. Yes, bad things happen in the real world and people get away with it.

But that doesn't mean we shouldn't call wrong behavior by it its name.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Also, who is the yet to be named 3rd party?

Please let it be someone with the last name "Miller." We need another Miller.

OK, I can be reasonable. "Garrett" or "Ollie" could work in a pinch.

Or merge with the Sean Miller thread.

 

[Chief00]

MP&P is based in Hartford with a New London office. The firm is annually recognized as one of the top employment law firms in CT.

This is their high profile case and thus far it’s been a train-wreck for their client. I leave open the possibility or likelihood that their client has either lied or been in such denial that he has materially misled them, but at this point the firm needs to calculate that into their approach.

Now if KO wins the $10M, I will see the method to their madness. But, anything under $2.5 million, in my opinion, they have done more public relations harm to his earning potential than good. Perhaps the firm has stepped into a profession (college coaching) that they don’t understand well? This isn’t the typical state union employee collective bargaining case, that they can toil in relative obscurity about.

Chief is also not differentiating between this firm and KO’s union legal representative. I am looking at the outcome product as one coordinated effort. If that’s not an accurate description, then that’s part of the outcome problem.

At any rate, time will tell, who has the correct assessment. Knowing what Chief knows, Chief can see a scenario that this situation can get much worse for KO, going down the current FOIA path.

 

[whaler11]

Tu quoque is a logical fallacy. You can't defend UConn's behavior by pointing at KO. This board manifestly does not care about anything KO is charged with other than using it as an instrument to save $10 million. This is nothing but self-interest pretending to be moral principle.

Exactly. Those who actually admit this are refreshing.

While his program was bad, it was remarkably clean if Miller’s lies on the cash aren’t true.

 

[Ukonnfan]

The name “Damocles” comes to mind throughout this saga.

 

[Engineer90]

Exactly. Those who actually admit this are refreshing.

While his program was bad, it was remarkably clean if Miller’s lies on the cash aren’t true.

You guys are the epitome of obtuse. What part of HE STOPPED DOING HIS JOB do you guys not understand? He doesn't deserve a dime for that reason alone. He was paid how much for doing nothing the last three years? He is far from having the moral high ground here.

 

[whaler11]

You guys are the epitome of obtuse. What part of HE STOPPED DOING HIS JOB do you guys not understand? He doesn't deserve a dime for that reason alone. He was paid how much for doing nothing the last three years? He is far from having the moral high ground here.

thats not how it works boss. who said he had the moral high ground.

have an a smidge of integrity and admit you want to hang him on techicality because you don’t like the results.

it’s not that hard.

 

[Waquoit]

How come JC doesn't receive any heat for foisting this loser on the program?

 

[CTMike]

thats not how it works boss. who said he had the moral high ground.

have an a smidge of integrity and admit you want to hang him on techicality because you don’t like the results.

it’s not that hard.

If KO never broke the terms he gets the full amount and UConn has no case. Contracts don’t work where you can just overlook terms that were agreed to by both parties because they are ticky tacky. If he’s careful he’s rich. And if it was too hard to follow then shame on his lawyers for allowing clauses that could lead to his termination.

KO opened the door and UConn took the opportunity KO gave them.

That all said - while I think UConn had every right to take the path they did (and I’m glad KO is gone)... actions have consequences and this train wreck is just another in a long line of disastrous choices by our AD.

 

[whaler11]

If KO never broke the terms he gets the full amount and UConn has no case. Contracts don’t work where you can just overlook terms that were agreed to by both parties because they are ticky tacky. If he’s careful he’s rich. And if it was too hard to follow then shame on his lawyers for allowing clauses that could lead to his termination.

KO opened the door and UConn took the opportunity KO gave them.

That all said - while I think UConn had every right to take the path they did (and I’m glad KO is gone)... actions have consequences and this train wreck is just another in a long line of disastrous choices by our AD.

All true. I’m fine with all of that if people are homest and admit that the violations are ticky tacky when you consider the reality of the sport.

 

[Dogdeacon]

thats not how it works boss. who said he had the moral high ground.

have an a smidge of integrity and admit you want to hang him on techicality because you don’t like the results.

it’s not that hard.

He's already hung & buried in a hole he made himself, we'd simply like him to stay there. Or move on.

Why is public opinion so important to YOU? No one on this board is changing either side's legal strategies at this point. Public opinion doesn't matter in a court of law. Time for settlement has long passed. Even IF public opinion changed AND UConn got pressure to settle, they should not at this point because from a PR standpoint settling would be a damaging admission of wrongdoing. So UConn's best & only strategy is to fight in court.

And keep in mind IF public opinion ever does sway towards Ollie's side there is quite a bit of mud that UConn could sling. Thus far only Ollie's side has shown no regard for reputation of itself and the school in terms of its strategy.

 

[August_West]

 

[Chief00]

And keep in mind IF public opinion ever does sway towards Ollie's side there is quite a bit of mud that UConn could sling. Thus far only Ollie's side has shown no regard for reputation of itself and the school in terms of its strategy.

What I fail to see at least as an external observer, based on their filings, any calculation of client risk to KO’s Nightmare Team’s approach. By even stretch community standards, there’s a lot there one would want to keep out of the public domain - or so I would think for any possible future employability.