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Ollie Suing Glen Miller for Slander

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upstater said:
How is it a frivolous argument? If UConn is weakened by this, who do you blame? Ollie? Given everything that's going on in college basketball? Really? This is exactly how NOT to run an athletics program. Let's face it: Ollie was fired because he was a bad coach in his last few years. The school decided to risk not paying him his contract when even disasters like Bob Diaco got his money. Whatever Ollie did otherwise was minor given the stakes at risk here.
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I've written it probably 50 times here, bad coach DOES NOT = W/L. Bad coach & causally - w/l = violations, failure to diligently perform duties of job, failure to properly oversee, etc... Ollie got fired and didn't get paid because he neither did his job nor fulfilled the duties of the contract he signed.
 
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gwhuskyfan said:
This must mean he's really striking out with getting anything from UConn. That he now has to dip down to Plan H to try and get some money from this situation...
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Miller offered testimony to the NCAA, and this is likely an attempt to discredit a witness alleging wrongdoing by Ollie, by saying Miller was out for revenge and consequently his statements are not credible.
 
Dogdeacon said:
I've written it probably 50 times here, bad coach DOES NOT = W/L. Bad coach & causally - w/l = violations, failure to diligently perform duties of job, failure to properly oversee, etc... Ollie got fired and didn't get paid because he neither did his job nor fulfilled the duties of the contract he signed.
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You can say that about every bad coach that's ever fired. Every one.
 
Dogdeacon said:
I didn't say it was gossip, I said it wasn't published by Glenn Miller. One of the three elements of libel is published.

Miller getting Ollie's bank records regardless of whether or not they prove the payment will be highly damaging to Ollie and might the most detrimental instance of the ill-conceived litigious overkill coming to roost and biting Ollie both on the grounds and in public opinion.

Your second statement is yet another in a never-ending line of frivolous arguments to put out the fire by throwing other people's gasoline on it.
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I don't recall entirely, but didn't this story go public because KO's legal team put out the transcript testimony? I would think the last thing KO would want is having his last few years coaching get put under a microscope.
 
upstater said:
???

If Miller's lawyer can prove this, UConn should get banned for a season. UConn sails?
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Keep in mind that I'm talking about the rat squad.

If it's between Ollie having paid anyone, and him either being the coach right now, or not being the coach right now - who is better off?
 
Cheddie said:
Miller offered testimony to the NCAA, and this is likely an attempt to discredit a witness alleging wrongdoing by Ollie, by saying Miller was out for revenge and consequently his statements are not credible.
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It has to be something like that, because Ollie can't think Miller has enough money to make this suit financially worthwhile.
 
pj said:
It has to be something like that, because Ollie can't think Miller has enough money to make this suit financially worthwhile.
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He's seeking $15k+?
 
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Jaker said:
slander is pretty easy to prove when things are put in writing and available for public consumption.
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Well Slander is a spoken statement. Libel is written. And either of them are hard to prove and are extremely hard to prove when its a public figure. The Absence of Malice standard would likely apply (hence my movie suggestion for KO). New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964). Ollie will likely need to prove that Miller "knew that the statement was false or acted in reckless disregard of its truth or falsity". If Miller merely reasonably believes that his information is correct, KO loses.
 
upstater said:
He's seeking $15k+?
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If he's seeking $15k, why even sue except out of spite? You can't help yourself, you can only inflict legal fees on the other party.

HuskyHawk said:
Well Slander is a spoken statement. Libel is written. And either of them are hard to prove and are extremely hard to prove when its a public figure. The Absence of Malice standard would likely apply (hence my movie suggestion for KO). New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964). Ollie will likely need to prove that Miller "knew that the statement was false or acted in reckless disregard of its truth or falsity". If Miller merely reasonably believes that his information is correct, KO loses.
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So Miller only has to show that he reasonably believed his wife was telling the truth. And his wife will support that.
 
pj said:
If he's seeking $15k, why even sue except out of spite? You can't help yourself, you can only inflict legal fees on the other party.

So Miller only has to show that he reasonably believed his wife was telling the truth. And his wife will support that.
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Miller's wife is being sued too.
 
upstater said:
You can say that about every bad coach that's ever fired. Every one.
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Only if every coach is defined as Rick Pitino, John Calipari and other coaches that committed NCAA violations. In terms of other every coaches I think we'd need to review the contract of each, the records and the day-to-day job performance.

The difference YOU and your ilk fail to understand and willfully ignore is that the vast majority of coaches that get fired are at least trying to do their job AND not violating their contracts, so therefore they get paid. Ollie wasn't and therefore didn't.

I don't know but I'd guess Chris Mullin would be a better bad coach comp for you. He wasn't doing his job, admitted as much and resigned with some integrity. I assume he therefore wasn't paid for the remaining contract. I'd guess he probably got some good faith separation payment out of goodwill and b/c he did the right thing by resigning.
 
This just keeps getting uglier and uglier. No matter what, this cannot help things like recruiting. Think coaches are not telling players...You wann go to Uconn?.....you know they are under investigation.
additionally who in here now doubts GM was the original anonymous reporter of violations? This has been totally mishandled by everyone from day one.
 
Every big time coach/program pays for players. The only shocking thing is how bad they were at it and apparently hiding it once Calhoun gave the reigns to Ollie and company. Clown Car.
 
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Dogdeacon said:
Only if every coach is defined as Rick Pitino, John Calipari and other coaches that committed NCAA violations. In terms of other every coaches I think we'd need to review the contract of each, the records and the day-to-day job performance.

The difference YOU and your ilk fail to understand and willfully ignore is that the vast majority of coaches that get fired are at least trying to do their job AND not violating their contracts, so therefore they get paid. Ollie wasn't and therefore didn't.

I don't know but I'd guess Chris Mullin would be a better bad coach comp for you. He wasn't doing his job, admitted as much and resigned with some integrity. I assume he therefore wasn't paid for the remaining contract. I'd guess he probably got some good faith separation payment out of goodwill and b/c he did the right thing by resigning.
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Have you paid any attention whatsoever to what's going on in college basketball.

Coach K., Roy Williams, Miller in Arizona, Self at Kansas, all these and more have committed much more egregious offenses than Ollie sending players to work out with a trainer in Georgia.
 
FartMan69 said:
Every big time coach/program pays for players. The only shocking thing is how bad they were at it and apparently hiding it once Calhoun gave the reigns to Ollie and company. Clown Car.
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Seriously? I mean, have we forgotten about getting dinged here in the past? Office phone records!!! FOIA???!?!
 
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FartMan69 said:
Every big time coach/program pays for players. The only shocking thing is how bad they were at it and apparently hiding it once Calhoun gave the reigns to Ollie and company. Clown Car.
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So I am guessing you think it happened. I am not saying KO or Uconn are above such tactics. But to pay 30K for a 1 year transfer from Cornell? I would be shocked if it were true.
 
whaler11 said:
I’ve enjoyed everyone cheering on Miller while they ignore this accusation.

Does anyone think this is true - 30k seems to buy better players than Miller.
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Yeah show me something KO has handled well.
Madmannsucks said:
So I am guessing you think it happened. I am not saying KO or Uconn are above such tactics. But to pay 30K for a 1 year transfer from Cornell? I would be shocked if it were true.
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Why? KO hates recruiting pay money makes recruiting easier...
 
polycom said:
Yeah show me something KO has handled well.


Why? KO hates recruiting pay money makes recruiting easier...
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Because 30 grand buys a lot more than Shonn Miller. Please-like my old personal add said...serious replies only.
 
upstater said:
Have you paid any attention whatsoever to what's going on in college basketball.

Coach K., Roy Williams, Miller in Arizona, Self at Kansas, all these and more have committed much more egregious offenses than Ollie sending players to work out with a trainer in Georgia.
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There is hypocrisy in college athletics? You are kidding me. Your arguments don't make sense especially in a court of law. 'Everyone else does it' and 'but he did it first' may work with your mommy, but not your boss.
 
Dogdeacon said:
There is hypocrisy in college athletics? You are kidding me. Your arguments don't make sense especially in a court of law. 'Everyone else does it' and 'but he did it first' may work with your mommy, but not your boss.
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I really don't care about what happens to Ollie. I don't care what the court of law does to him. So your post is a total non-sequitir when it comes to this discussion.

If UConn gets dinged because they strung this out, they only have themselves to blame. That much is obvious.
 
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